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Lamanov
12th June 2005, 14:59
Friedrich Engels - History (the role of Religion) in the English middle-class, 1892 English Version Introduction

[Original text can be found here.] (http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1880/soc-utop/int-hist.htm)

Summary attempt:


Europe emerged from the middle ages carrying with it the the newborn rising middle-class of the towns as the main progressive element of the society which counterposed the existence of feudalism. In that time, the greatest feudal lord was the Roman Catholic Church itslef, holding the 1/3 of the Catholic World land, which as the spiritual guard of the old society held all aspects of life subdued to its reign, including the science, which, infact, trapped by religious intrests was no science at all. Only social element where science could furnish again was the progressive part of society: ever developing middle-class.
But this did not happen all at once. Infact, it took 2 uprisings against the old order before even the progressive layers could free itself from the religious illusions (in the form of the 3rd - the Great French Revolution).

The 1st: Protestant Reformation in Germany, with its leader - Martin Luther, and the two insurrections, one of lower nobility in 1523, and of the peasantry in the Great Peasants' War in 1525. But here, it failed, and Lutheranism became a tool for the princes an the lower nobility.

The 2nd: where Calvinism played a great role in Belgium, Scotland - and England - in the period of the short lived republic where the 'plebian' (middle-class) adopted it as its tool and religious belief. But this uprising against the old order turned other way into a reaction with a great compromise between the ex-feudal landowners and the rising bourgeosie class. Old feudal class pretty much destroyed itself durring the War of the Roses to the point where their succesors, far from the orginal lines of the families, were something of a new breed, more with the burgoise habbits than feudal. This ex-feudal class found itself very close to the financial and industrial capitalists, and under the same intrests of superiority over the masses (on one side, and on the other, seized catholic land) they so stubbornly held to Calvinism and strengthened their religious identity.

Further on, the rise of materialism in England only contributed to this, because this new doctrine presented itself as thought only fit for scholars, in contrast to uneducated masses (including the bourgeosie), for whom only religion is good enough.
In France, however, materialism was a driving force for the rising elements of society. There, it aquired a revolutionary character, as gave birth to the 3rd uprising, the Great French Revolution. In France, there was no compromise with the old order, and pre-revolutionary society was erased to the ground.
But the intensity of the revolution was what feared the English bourgeois. To him, the reign of terror in Paris was the sign of what happens when the religion is lost to the people. Now he held to it all the faster.

Industrial revolution in England brought about a new shift in power. In time, manufacturing industrial capital pushed into the background the land and financial aristocracy. This created a new relations between the classes [Repeal of the Corn Laws]. It also created a numerous class of the working people, at first ally of the bourgeosie but soon its rival.
While in Europe constant shift of the revolutionary uprising and counter-revolution shook the continent exposing the incompatability of the bourgeosie to hold on to power, in England the upper class called upon the evangelization of the lower orders [revivalism, Salvation Army etc.].
So the British society was tied with a religious rope around it, holding down the class antagonisms. As the middle-class refered to aristocracy as "our old nobility", so the working class looked to the middle-class as "their betters". While in Europe, under the threat of the proletarian revolution and the workig class infested with socialism, bourgeosie is turning to religion as the main tool for the pacification of society, English bourgeois says: "Why, you fools, I could have told you that 200 years ago".

I will finish this summary in Engels' words:

"However, I am afraid neither the religious stolidity of the British, nor the post festum conversion of the Continental bourgeois will stem the rising Proletarian tide. Tradition is a great retarding force, is the vis inertiae of history, but, being merely passive, is sure to be broken down; and thus religion will be no lasting safeguard to capitalist society."

"But the triumph of the European working-class does not depend upon England alone. It can only be secured by the cooperation of, at least, England, France, and Germany. In both the latter countries, the working-class movement is well ahead of England."

Severian
13th June 2005, 02:31
Originally posted by DJ-[email protected] 12 2005, 07:59 AM
Further on, the rise of materialism in England only contributed to this, because this new doctrine presented itself as thought only fit for scholars, in contrast to uneducated masses (including the bourgeosie), for whom only religion is good enough.
And also because the materialist philosophers were politically reactionary, like the monarchist Hobbes.

Hey, we have Calvin & Hobbes in this section!

Seems to me this explation sheds light on the persistent strength of Christianity in British-settled countries like the U.S. as well as Britain. Puritanism was the ideology of the bourgeois-democratic revolution in Britain...unlike some other countries like France, where the bourgeois-democratic revolution began the weakening of religion.

Edit: and then we have all those Scots and Scots-Irish Calvinists who crossed the pond, too. Their ancestors were also part of the Great Rebellion.

Lamanov
13th June 2005, 19:19
Hey, I think this is going pretty good.
I suggest everyone should be able to start a new thread and type down a summary each time we exaust the old thread. This way everyone can participate and no1 can have too much responsibility or trouble.

2 days for reading and 1 day for discussion is ok [well, in this case anyway, depending on the size of the work]. Thats 3 days between threads.

Severian
14th June 2005, 01:58
Sounds reasonable. A discussion can be kicked off with questions as well as a summary in my experience.

xnj
14th June 2005, 03:46
While in Europe, under the threat of the proletarian revolution and the workig class infested with socialism, bourgeosie is turning to religion as the main tool for the pacification of society, English bourgeois says: "Why, you fools, I could have told you that 200 years ago".
Thanks for the summary DJ-TC.

I think one of the main points of this chapter is it that in times of political crisis, especially when the working class is on a move, the bourgeoisie will use organized religion, no matter how backwards, to prop up their dying system. When the bourgeoisie was rising against feudalism on the European continent, it took up the progressive ideas of philosophical materialism. As it matured, the key year being the massacre of the Paris Commune in 1871, and now, in the age of imperialism, it was/is no longer a progressive force. It is a monstrous force spreading political reaction throughout the world, exterminating millions through "blind" market forces as well as war.

Drawing a line to 2005, to understand the decadence and barbarism of late capitalism, all we have to do is look at US capitalism, headed up by a Christian fundamentalist, surrounded by fascists who want to create perpetual war state and backed by a powerful right-wing evangelical movement that rejects even bourgeois science.

***In fact, in England too, the working-people have begun to move again. They are, no doubt, shackled by traditions of various kinds. Bourgeois traditions, such as the widespread belief that there can be but two parties, Conservatives and Liberals, and that the working-class must work out its salvation by and through the great Liberal Party.***

Hey, Engels just described present-day US politics!

Severian
15th June 2005, 07:53
Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2005, 08:46 PM
Hey, Engels just described present-day US politics!
Right - and similar roots. Dominant world power of the time, used to have a near-monopoly of major manufactured goods on the world market....

This section's a beautiful example of how to apply the materialist method. Religions, philosophies, political parties all explained in terms of class interests.

The bit about why the rising capitalist class needed freedom of scientific enquiry is interesting to me; it seems to me that the natural sciences are the one area where the ruling class still has some interest in truth; they need the tech to work right for profit and military power.

xnj
17th June 2005, 04:58
Doesn't look like the discussion on this section is moving forward. Should we go on to the next part? We haven't gotten to the real substance of the pamphlet yet (the 3 chapters).