Which organisations are you in?

[Andy Bowden]

Which organisations are you guys in?*
I'm a member of the Scottish Socialist Party, a pro-independence Socialist party in Scotland and it's youth wing, Scottish Socialist Youth - which has quite a nice forum you should check out on my sig ;)

I'm also in the Scottish Palestine Solidarity Campaign, and The Scottish Cuba Solidarity Campaign - I've got a lot of solidarity to share :lol: :lol:

* Don't say the heritage foundation, or UKIP :P

[RedSkinheadUltra]

The Libertarian National Socialist Green Party (LNSGP) and the Maoist International Movement (MIM) :lol:


Socialist Equality Party (ICFI)
Red & Anarchist Skinheads (RASH)

[Sons_of_Eureka]

I'm just in the socialist alliance of Australia ''for the millions not the millionaires''

Andy Bowden,your a busy man,and i've heard great things about the Scottish socialist party.

RedSkinheadUltra,Whats the go with MIM? what do you do besides write hillarios reviews?

[The Feral Underclass]

I'm a member of the Anarchist Federation (http://www.afed.org.uk) and AntiFA. (http://www.antifa.org.uk)

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2005, 02:50 PM
RedSkinheadUltra,Whats the go with MIM? what do you do besides write hillarios reviews?
I think it's a joke.

[bunk]

Yeah i'm a member of the Anarchist federation.

[Hiero]

Sons_of_Eureka, why are you in SA if you are a Maoist?

[Sons_of_Eureka]

Athough i dissagree with many off thier principals,i can put my diffrences aside with the trots and demorcratic socialists and unite for a greater cause.

In Australia i'm useless as a Maoist as we have no influence so i must conform to the more accepted party in order to help the working class.

but as soon as i can i'm getting otta here and going somewhere where i am useful as a maoist.

[Martin Blank]

Three guesses....

Miles

[Sir Aunty Christ]

SWP in Ireland, but I think they're blanking me because I didn't go to the Make Poverty History Rally in Belfast last Saturday.

Question: How can Anarchists be in a organisation?

[Black Dagger]

Organisations don't have to be hiearchies.
To be more specific, anarchists oppose opressive hiearchy, not organisation, you can't have an anarchist society without organisation!

[Socialistpenguin]

Me, I'm in the British Communist Party, considering joining the Socialist Party. Technically, I'm not allowed in the Party until I'm 16, but oh well ;)

[bunk]

Originally posted by Black [email protected] 10 2005, 03:31 PM
Organisations don't have to be hiearchies.
To be more specific, anarchists oppose opressive hiearchy, not organisation, you can't have an anarchist society without organisation!
beat me to it....

[slim]

I am a member of too many organisations than i care to remember. I also am trying to kick off my own political party in the UK. Theyre radical. WOOT!

[Sir Aunty Christ]

Ah. That explains it.

But if communism, in theory at least, is about the absence of hierarchy then aren't we all to some extent anarchists?

[OleMarxco]

What, are you all idiots? BURGEOUIS ELECTIONS DON'T HELP. Fuck organziations, I am no part of any regular "club", anyone but a loose band of revolutionaries, maybe (The Red Avengers I prefer to call 'em) aslong as they promote swift and drastic radical overthrowings. Political parties? Geez, how -ORIGINAL-. Now how the hell will that make us "win"? As RedStar says, if we even get CLOSE, they'll alert the land for a "national emergency", allright - Even if that happens, we're already on the nation's side by popular vote, so we'll probably overthrow them if they don't let us in. But the state likes to suppress people "for their own good" :rolleyes:

[bunk]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2005, 04:02 PM
What, are you all idiots? BURGEOUIS ELECTIONS DON'T HELP. Fuck organziations, I am no part of any regular "club", anyone but a loose band of revolutionaries, maybe (The Red Avengers I prefer to call 'em) aslong as they promote swift and drastic radical overthrowings. Political parties? Geez, how -ORIGINAL-. Now how the hell will that make us "win"? As RedStar says, if we even get CLOSE, they'll alert the land for a "national emergency", allright - Even if that happens, we're already on the nation's side by popular vote, so we'll probably overthrow them if they don't let us in. But the state likes to suppress people "for their own good" :rolleyes:
:o

Some organizations are not electoral! The anarchist federation is strictly revolutionary. Can't say the same for SWP and their cronies

[Black Dagger]

But if communism, in theory at least, is about the absence of hierarchy then aren't we all to some extent anarchists?

Theoretical anarchism and communism are for all intents and purposes identical. The distinction is how you get to this stage, the divergence of anarchists and marxists is on the role (or lack there of) of a 'transistional' 'dictatorship of the proletariat'- socialism- marxists support this transistional state, anarchists do not.

[rebelafrika]

I'm with the All-African People's Revolutionary Party (A-APRP).

We are a "Pan-Africanist" party. We define Pan-Africanism as it was defined in the 5th Pan-African Congress in 1945 as "the total liberation and unification of Africa under SCIENTIFIC SOCIALISM"

WE ARE "INHERENTLY" A SOCIALIST PARTY and we say that all TRUE Pan-Africanists are socialists (and that if you call yourself a Pan-Africanist and you are not a socialist...then you are not REALLY a Pan-Africanist). We say that Pan-Africanism is our "objective," where as our "goal" is world wide Communism.

I'm also a member of S.U.S.T.A.I.N. (Stop U.S. Tax Aid to Israel NOW!!!)

[RASH chris]

Direct Action Tendency (http://www.actiontendency.net)

And I've been toying with the notion of joining the IWW.

[Andy Bowden]

What makes you think I'm busy, son of eureka :lol:

Yes the SSP has made great progress since our founding in 1998 - we took 7% of the vote in the 2003 Scottish Elections and have 6 MSP's. I believe our Lothians MSP Colin Fox (and new national convener) visited Australia and met with the Socialist Alliance in 2003.

The SSP has also gained the backing of the RMT - the railworkers union - who have affiliated to us, and broke with New Labour. The firefighters union is well on track to affiliating to the SSP as well, and the leader of the civil servants union (PCS) Mark Serwotka backs the SSP.

That said we had a dissapointing result in the last British general election, but at the end of the day, it was a FPTP system, we knew we'd get squeezed :(

Still, the next election is in 2007 where the SSP is set to get a significant presece on Glasgow City Council :)

On the issue of Bourgoise elections it is true that Socialism cannot be brought out by reform. But having representatives in a parliament can raise the profile of a Socialist group - SSP membership increased by 300% after Tommy Sheridans election to parliament - you can also pass motions and bills in support of extraparliamentary struggles when you have seats eg Scottish Nursery Nurses strike, where the SSP passed motions in parliament supporting them, getting on national news.

[SonofRage]

Industrial Workers of the World, and the Direct Action Tendency (http://www.actiontendency.net) (still deciding if I want to renew my SP-USA dues or not...)

[slim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2005, 04:02 PM
What, are you all idiots? BURGEOUIS ELECTIONS DON'T HELP. Fuck organziations, I am no part of any regular "club", anyone but a loose band of revolutionaries, maybe (The Red Avengers I prefer to call 'em) aslong as they promote swift and drastic radical overthrowings. Political parties? Geez, how -ORIGINAL-. Now how the hell will that make us "win"? As RedStar says, if we even get CLOSE, they'll alert the land for a "national emergency", allright - Even if that happens, we're already on the nation's side by popular vote, so we'll probably overthrow them if they don't let us in. But the state likes to suppress people "for their own good" :rolleyes:
My political party has the word radical in the same sentence. It does not follow conventional political paths. Many of its members are revolutionary in their goals.

[JC1]

What, are you all idiots? BURGEOUIS ELECTIONS DON'T HELP. Fuck organziations, I am no part of any regular "club", anyone but a loose band of revolutionaries, maybe (The Red Avengers I prefer to call 'em) aslong as they promote swift and drastic radical overthrowings. Political parties? Geez, how -ORIGINAL-. Now how the hell will that make us "win"? As RedStar says, if we even get CLOSE, they'll alert the land for a "national emergency", allright - Even if that happens, we're already on the nation's side by popular vote, so we'll probably overthrow them if they don't let us in. But the state likes to suppress people "for their own good"

Why do partys have to be electoral ? And what the hell, you oppose orginizations ?!? Ever fucking post you make you demand protracted armed inserection , but you oppose orginizations ?!?!?!? What a Shmuck. Calling all his intelectual supiriours idiots.

Personaly, im in the Young Communist League of Canada.

[danny android]

There are not a lot of leftist organizations in my area. So i am planning on starting a Young Communists League(YCL) next year. I am also planning on joining the Gay Straight Alliance(GSA) in my school next year.

[danny android]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2005, 12:10 AM
[QUOTE]

Personaly, im in the Young Communist League of Canada.
I hear that canada has a good YCL. How is it over north?

[JC1]

We have our struggles , but it is by far canadfas strongest leftist youth movement.

[danny android]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2005, 02:50 AM
We have our struggles , but it is by far canadfas strongest leftist youth movement.
do you have any suggestions for starting a YCL?

[JC1]

Are youy forming a YCL-USA collective ? Are you in a small, medium or big sizied town ? Do you live in a suburban or impovrished region ? Do you have anyone you know who would join youre club right away ?

[danny android]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2005, 03:03 AM
Are youy forming a YCL-USA collective ? Are you in a small, medium or big sizied town ? Do you live in a suburban or impovrished region ? Do you have anyone you know who would join youre club right away ?
1. yeah i am starting a YCL-USA
2. I am in a fairly small town about 11,000 people
3. I live in a suburban style town, well atleast there is nothing urban about it and there is about a 10% unemployment rate and a lot of wandering homeless people.
4. I have two or three people that i know would join right away, but need to work on finding people to join. People are fairly ignorant about communism in my area.

[JC1]

Well , in a suburb its hard. Youre gonna find alot of duds. I think that if youre in a suburban enviroment like , you should probobly jump right into cultural agitation. Maybe a film night , or get a CPUSA member from a near by city to come in and talk to youre people. I hope that tid bit of info helps.

[danny android]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2005, 04:10 AM
Well , in a suburb its hard. Youre gonna find alot of duds. I think that if youre in a suburban enviroment like , you should probobly jump right into cultural agitation. Maybe a film night , or get a CPUSA member from a near by city to come in and talk to youre people. I hope that tid bit of info helps.
Yeah thanks. I think i will try to find a CP memeber but it is hard I am in oregon and there arn't any communist organizations that i know of here. But thank you. Also thinking about throwing a concert :D

[SonofRage]

If you're going to start a YCL club in the USA, you may as well just start a "Young Democrats" group because the Communist Party USA is just a cheerleader for the Democratic Party

[Organic Revolution]

im part of the YLF or youth liberation front.

[IrrationallyAngry]

I am in the Socialist Party of Ireland, which means I'm also part of the Committee for a Workers International.

[JC1]

If you're going to start a YCL club in the USA, you may as well just start a "Young Democrats" group because the Communist Party USA is just a cheerleader for the Democratic Party

There has been some idealogical deformation in CPUSA since 2000. However , most members still have marxism-leninism on there mind and there is gonna be some struggle at this years congress.

[BOZG]

Since 2000? There's been ideological deformation in that organisation since the 1920s.

[JC1]

Since 2000? There's been ideological deformation in that organisation since the 1920s.

Some peoples children.

[American_Trotskyist]

The Young Communist League is a joke. It is the Young Democratic League. I too, at one time, thought that it was worth joining, I quickly left.

The 'Communist' Party kisses the Democrats asses every chance they get and even censure third parties, like the Working Families Party(Even if it isn't any use in being in elections under capitalism, but still they might as well try to act a little less like whores to the Democratic Party). The 'Popular Front' is just an excuse for them to not do anything, except campaign for Kerry.

Please read even the first five pages of Lenin's State and Revolution and you can substitute "Communist" for "Social Democrat" and Lenin has given you a perfect description of the Mensheviks and Social Democrats of his time and the "Communists" of ours.

The Communist Party isn't in anyway a Leninist Party and hardly Marxist. If you want change don't join the Communist/Democratic Party of the United States.

[JC1]

I oppose there line on kerry and there oppritunistic posturing. And trust me , they ( And the CP Iraq ) are recieving a lot of flack in the World Communist Movement.
They are still a legitimate orginization however.

But what does lenin's musings on post-reveloutionry society have to do with the CPUSA ? And also , lenins party ( The Bolshiviks ) Official name was "Russian Labour Social Democratic Party (Bolshiviki) " so he was refering to his own org, buddy.

[IrrationallyAngry]

It's not a question of whether or not an organisation is "legitimate". It's a question of what role they are capable of playing in the socialist transformation of society.

The CPUSA is a left wing supporters group for the Democrats, a right wing big business party. It's been that way for decade after decade. You don't even have to get into the question of its long support for Stalinist butchery to point that out. Its present day strategy for the American working class is to pressure the Democrats, that goes for Kerry but it goes for every other Democratic candidate too. To use the word "Communist" to describe that goes beyond parody.

[American_Trotskyist]

But what does lenin's musings on post-reveloutionry society have to do with the CPUSA ? And also , lenins party ( The Bolshiviks ) Official name was "Russian Labour Social Democratic Party (Bolshiviki) " so he was refering to his own org, buddy.


OK Obviously you have never read The State and Revolution or you have a very bad case of dyslexia.

In The State and Revolution Lenin refers to the Bourgeois state, the 'Democracy' within it and on Class Collaborationism, Two Stage Revolution, and all of the other opportunistic programs of the Menshevik and Social Democratic Parties. Those are the very same, with a slightly different wording, policies of Bourgeois Revolution and the Popular Front adopted by the Stalinists during the 1930s.

Please read it and then come back with an answer that, please you look like a fool with that last post. www.Marxists.org find it, read it, come back with it.

[spartafc]

i'm in the 'Socialist Party (http://www.socialistparty.org.uk/)' in London where I live, and as such part of the committee for a worker’s international (CWI).

[JC1]

Those are the very same, with a slightly different wording, policies of Bourgeois Revolution and the Popular Front adopted by the Stalinists during the 1930s.


This is a non issue, I criticize the current line of CPUSA , anyways.

[danny android]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2005, 04:37 PM
If you're going to start a YCL club in the USA, you may as well just start a "Young Democrats" group because the Communist Party USA is just a cheerleader for the Democratic Party
ok so what organization do you all suggest that i start in my town?

[SonofRage]

Originally posted by danny android+Jun 15 2005, 09:07 PM--> (danny android @ Jun 15 2005, 09:07 PM)
[email protected] 12 2005, 04:37 PM
If you're going to start a YCL club in the USA, you may as well just start a "Young Democrats" group because the Communist Party USA is just a cheerleader for the Democratic Party
ok so what organization do you all suggest that i start in my town? [/b]
That would really depend on what your politics are...

[Jersey Devil]

I'm a member of an organization called "The International Brotherhood of Workers and Students for a New Socialist and Communist World and an end to Capitalist Economic Domination of the Third World and the Working Proletariat in the First World-Viva la Revolución Death to the Capitalists" It's better known by its acronym (TIBWSNSCWCEDTWWPFW-VRDC).

[danny android]

Originally posted by SonofRage+Jun 16 2005, 01:51 AM--> (SonofRage @ Jun 16 2005, 01:51 AM)
Originally posted by danny [email protected] 15 2005, 09:07 PM

[email protected] 12 2005, 04:37 PM
If you're going to start a YCL club in the USA, you may as well just start a "Young Democrats" group because the Communist Party USA is just a cheerleader for the Democratic Party
ok so what organization do you all suggest that i start in my town?
That would really depend on what your politics are... [/b]
well I'm a big anti-racist and anti-homophobia. I also would like to help people in poverty like homeless people and what not, start a homeless shelter or something. I really don't know what I want to do, just benefit the community some how.

[violencia.Proletariat]

Originally posted by danny android+Jun 15 2005, 10:10 PM--> (danny android @ Jun 15 2005, 10:10 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2005, 01:51 AM

Originally posted by danny [email protected] 15 2005, 09:07 PM

[email protected] 12 2005, 04:37 PM
If you're going to start a YCL club in the USA, you may as well just start a "Young Democrats" group because the Communist Party USA is just a cheerleader for the Democratic Party
ok so what organization do you all suggest that i start in my town?
That would really depend on what your politics are...
well I'm a big anti-racist and anti-homophobia. I also would like to help people in poverty like homeless people and what not, start a homeless shelter or something. I really don't know what I want to do, just benefit the community some how. [/b]
start an FNB or dumpster dive old furniture and clothes and start a free store

[danny android]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2005, 03:29 AM
start an FNB or dumpster dive old furniture and clothes and start a free store
what is FNB?

[violencia.Proletariat]

Food not Bombs, they collect vegitarian food that would be thrown away and serve it for free to anyone who wants a meal.

[danny android]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2005, 04:28 AM
Food not Bombs, they collect vegitarian food that would be thrown away and serve it for free to anyone who wants a meal.
Yeah i have heard of that before but I want to have a very anti-discrimnation anti-war anti-poverty base. I kind of want to cover everything.

[SonofRage]

I think Food Not Bombs would be a good project for you. You'd be doing the kind of work you seem to be interested in, while you have time to develop your politics more.

[danny android]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2005, 03:10 AM
I think Food Not Bombs would be a good project for you. You'd be doing the kind of work you seem to be interested in, while you have time to develop your politics more.
Ok I might check it out. But I would like to be involved with something politically not just socially.

[IrrationallyAngry]

You would do well to check out the views of a few different organisations and see what you agree with and disagree with. My own advice would be to start by getting in contact with Socialist Alternative, a group which amongst other things is involved in trying to unionise casual workers and opposing military recruiters. There are loads of other left organisations though and you shouldn't feel rushed.

http://www.socialistalternative.org

[Idealist phreak]

The Left Youth of Finland
RESISTANCE IS PERMITTED. IN FACT IT IS DESIRED.

The Left Youth of Finland (Vasemmistonuoret) is an energetic non-governmental political youth organisation. The political objectives of The Left Youth derive from an ideological basis of traditional values of the left combined with environmental initiatives. To achieve its objectives The Left Youth promotes various forms of political activity: demonstrations are regarded as equally worthwhile as operating within the limits of party politics.

The constitutive values of The Left Youth consist of equality, democracy, justice and solidarity. In our view, rights such as freedom of religion, freedom of expression and the right to cherish one's own culture should be granted to everyone, regardless of ethnic origin, or of social, economic or political background.

We in The Left Youth consider an ideal society - an ideal world - to be a place, in which every individual can live without fear and in which every individual is granted the right, as well as the possibility, to study and work. In addition, healthy and clean environment should be considered a right everyone is entitled to in a society. To live a good and satisfying life requires the abilities to share work, to be a responsible consumer, and to understand the importance of societal obligations, such as taxes, as fundamental factors contributing to welfare.

The Left Youth of Finland was founded in 1944. Currently the organisation has some 5,000 members and is divided into nine district organisations. Anyone between 15 and 30 years of age is eligible for full membership of The Left Youth. People over 30 years of age are eligible for supportive membership.

President of The Left Youth from May 2001 to May 2005 is Mr Paavo Arhinmäki, a 27-year-old elected member of the city council of Helsinki. The two vice-presidents of the organisation are Ms Eeva Vehviläinen and Mr Ville Vuorjoki.

The central governing body of The Left Youth consists of 20 members, and is elected every two years by The Left Youth's general assembly. The current board has founded eight political or organisational divisions to carry out our various activities and to discuss political issues. The divisions of international affairs, organisational development and ideological education, sustainable development, culture, economy politics, social and health politics, Palestine solidarity campaign and trade union politics cover a wide range of our current interests in The Left Youth.

The division of international affairs handles all international affairs and relations. The current chairperson of the division is Ms Minttu Sillanpää.

The Left Youth of Finland is defined as the youth organisation of the Left Alliance party (Vasemmistoliitto). At the moment Left Alliance is the 4th biggest political party in Finland, the three biggest being the Social Democratic Party, the Centre Party and the National Coalition Party. In the last parliamentary elections (2003) Left Alliance received 9,9% of the votes. The party currently has 19MPs in the Finnish Parliament and one MEP in the European Parliament. Young members form a considerable part of the active members of Left Alliance: currently in municipal or city councils throughout Finland there are over 50 elected representatives of Left Alliance who are under 30 years of age.

[source: http://www.vasemmistonuoret.fi/jarjesto/english.html ]

http://www.vasemmistonuoret.fi/

[Guerrilla22]

Food Not Bombs is a very good orginization. They have a chapter here in Denver. The FBI has harrassed them in the past.

[danny android]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2005, 06:29 PM
Food Not Bombs is a very good orginization. They have a chapter here in Denver. The FBI has harrassed them in the past.
That is insane.

[RiseUp]

Students for a Democratic Society; a revolutionary, New Left organization in US. Considering to start a NEFAC (North Eastern Federation of Anarchist-Communists) collective in my city.

[Towarzyszka]

I'm a member of the Youth Organization of Polish Labour Party.

I must mention that our party is not like e.g. Labour Party form the UK, but it's true left and quite radical and the youth wing is even more radical. It's strongly connected with a combative and IMO the best trade union in Poland, The Free Trade Union "Sierpień 80" ["August 80"]. There are actually the same people in the Party and in the Union.

[Charles Xavier]

communist party of canada