Reagan

[Viva Fidel]

Did Ronald Reagan really sell crack or other drugs to the ghettos to buy weapons for iran?

[Hampton]

Crack roots (http://www.constitution.org/abus/narc/day1main.htm)

This one too. (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=27364&hl=crack)

[resisting arrest with violence]

Yes, thank you. I'm really very happy to see that information because it only confirms the hypocrisy of the U.S. state.

[Vallegrande]

Reminds me that Bush senior was most likely in the CIA at this time, or he definitely had ties to the CIA, since he thanked Felix Rodriquez for Che's death. Then I saw Bush senior when he was president showing the public a big rock of cocaine, telling the public how he was going to wage a war on this evil. What a fuck face son of a *****!

[coda]

Bush Sr. was Reagan's vice president then (1981-89) and Director of CIA (1976-77, during the Jimmy Carter presidency.) It is no doubt he was giving orders to the CIA in regard to the Contra during his VP. Those were executive orders. And again the Bush family used their Saudi prince connections also to fund the contras at $1 million dollars a month.

[Holocaustpulp]

" Reagan's in we're going for good
We'll fight and kill the best we could
No one cares if we die
Reinstate the draft and tell us lies
You fight a war where no one wins
Where people die and bodies burn
Reagan don't care he won't fight
He'll try and send us with all his might
There he goes another one
Kill that man his values are wrong
It ain't movies it's not T.V.
It's preety rough man you will see
All this shit it's just no use
Men unite don't be abused
You have to go it's not your choice
Sure we'll go but hear our voice
Reagan's in we're going for good
Reagan's in we're going for good."

- Reagan's In, by Wasted Youth

I'm not surprised that Reagan did violate drug laws in order to fund the terrorist Contras that relentlessly killed our Sandinista allies - he had already broken laws by selling weapons to Iran (America was supposed to be neutral in the Iran-Iraq War) and illegally funding the Contras with such funds (against existing laws that banned US government support for the Contras). Reagan was a terrible person, and this is just another one of the terrible things he did.

- Holocaustpulp

[Hefer]

All the drugs coming in & from Latin America is operated by the CIA; it's a billion dollar business. It's such Bull Shit, they can track a missle from space( NORAD), but they can't even detect a smuggler plane flying in!!! It's all business. :angry:

[praxis1966]

Bush Sr. was in fact responsible for ensuring that cocaine and heroin were smuggled into the U$ back then. If I'm not mistaken, though, those policies were started a couple of years earlier ('73 to be precise) as a means of neutralizing the support base of the Black Panthers. All that stuff came out in the COINTELPRO scandal, right before Watergate broke. Nobody really hears about it, though, because why bother with a bunch of impoverished African Americans (the Panthers) when you have a perfectly good bunch of rich white people (the Democratic Party) you can talk about?

Holocaust: I should point out that the U$ sold weapons to Iraq during that time as well. I once watched a documentary series on the CIA and in reference to the Iran-Iraq War a former agent who was being interviewed said, "My philosophy was to get the weapons into the hands of the shooters and truly let god sort them out." That also ties into why Baby Bu$h and his cronies thought Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. We kept copies of the receipts.

[marxist_socialist_aussie]

I must say I have never heard these stories but they don't really surprise me one bit, conservatives have always been very hypocritical on these issues (and most others). Also, thanks for the links, the reading is pretty interesting.

[Holocaustpulp]

Praxis: I know about the sales to Saddam, which were especially beefed up after the Iran-Contra scandal broke out. Reagan saw to it that Iraq would get its weapons by sending dual-use chemicals (e.g. pesticides) to Iraq, as well as plain military resources. After Iran-Contra, Reagan and his goonies allowed to US Department of Commerce to:
-license 70 biological exports to Iraq over a four year course
-ship weapons grade botulin poison to Hussein
-export chemicals used for the production of mustard gas to Iraq
-ship weapons grade anthrax and botulinum
-export insecticides to Iraq, despite dubious use by the Iraqi government
-transport of cyanide via a CIA courier

Many shipments were made before the infamous Anfal campaign against the Kurds. It is suspected that America's own chemicals killed many Americans in the Gulf War via disease. Private businesses sold away death with pleasure. Old Ronnie even sent none other than Donald Rumsfeld to kiss Saddam's ass over the deals.

Reagan was a terrible man. He should not be given an honor.

- Holocaustpulp

[Organic Revolution]

the cia did what reagan told them to... which was distrubute drugs to ghetto's

[this space for sale?]

"Then I saw Bush senior when he was president showing the public a big rock of cocaine, telling the public how he was going to wage a war on this evil. What a fuck face son of a *****!"

And here you have the familial precedent for things like Bush (Sr's) own war with Iraq, selling arms first to the future enemy, and encouraging the future enemy to make trouble with Kuwait, and later demonizing the old friend in a Machiavellian play for power over Americans.

And, also, familial precedent for the recent refusal on the part of the Bush (Jr.) administration to participate in diplomatic disarmament talks with Iran, when the European union initiated them. All that remains is for Bush Jr. to declare the failure of the diplomacy that he refused to explore, in order to start a new war that will reentrench his and his party's power.

[redwinter]

Check out the old archives of the Revolutionary Worker at: http://www.rwor.org/s/cia.htm

Interesting investigative reporting and even an RW interview with Gary Webb, the reporter who originally broke the story of the CIA-Crack connection. (Who recently died in mysterious circumstances, btw).

[praxis1966]

I'm not sure I ever considered it from quite that angle, TSS. I suppose I just never followed the logic that far down the rabit hole. You make some interesting points, none the less. Oh, and Holocaust, I hope you didn't think I was hinting that you were ignorant. I was just pointing out the other side of that coin for the benefit of the less informed whom might be reading this thread.


the cia did what reagan told them to... which was distrubute drugs to ghetto's This may be so, but I doubt Reagan gave the CIA any specific marching orders. More probably, he gave them some broad goals to accomplish and told them to work it out for themselves. The have a phrase for it in the intelligence community, it's called creating "plausible deniability." That's how Reagan got away with saying "I don't recall" so many times during the Iran-Contra hearings. He was, with equivocation of course, telling the truth.

There's another saying in the intelligence community. "Once CIA, always CIA." The most likely scenario, in my opinion, was that Papa Bu$h was the one who really knew where all the bodies were buried. After all, I'm sure he still had plenty of friends in the Agency.

[American_Trotskyist]

I thought this is fun, thank you Revolutionary Worker.

[Vallegrande]

Reagan looks like he's riding on Snowball from "Animal Farm"