Rise up! Rebel!

[Sickle of Justice]

:angry: come on people! lets get something going here! the worlds not changeing because we sit around and discuss communism! lets get vocal! tell bush what we want, and that we want it now (the right wing fool probably doesn't even realize that his country is filled with communists! risist in the name of che!

[SocialismIsCentrist]

:) sign my petition.

http://www.petitiononline.com/stev1978/

imagine if it grew in numbers who signed it to nutty levels? then it would be difficult when presented to the likes of the BBC and others not to drop the word 'Free' when newscasting on the issue of Unregulated Trade.

the general public should be free of emotive words so they come to their own decisions - the right decisions (or rather the left ones). In any highstreet when shopping you will see such 'offers' like buy one, get one FREE!

it is simple yet somehow effective. embarrasingly effective. therefor word free is prejudicial term when talking of unregulated trade.

We shouldnt let the terms of debate be defined by the slogans of the ivory tower ultra-capitalist elite.

[h&s]

Originally posted by Sickle of [email protected] 8 2005, 11:51 PM
:angry: come on people! lets get something going here! the worlds not changeing because we sit around and discuss communism! lets get vocal! tell bush what we want, and that we want it now (the right wing fool probably doesn't even realize that his country is filled with communists! risist in the name of che!
So what do you so then? :D
You can not be serious that we can start a revolution today?
The class situation is no-where near that.
If you want to do something, get involved in working class struggles and the trade unions.
Making vague calls for revolution in a blatantly un-revolutionary period just alienates you, and therefore your beliefs, from the working class.

[KptnKrill]

Originally posted by h&[email protected] 9 2005, 12:44 PM
So what do you so then? :D
You can not be serious that we can start a revolution today?
The class situation is no-where near that.
If you want to do something, get involved in working class struggles and the trade unions.
Making vague calls for revolution in a blatantly un-revolutionary period just alienates you, and therefore your beliefs, from the working class.
"People who talk about revolution and class struggle without referring explicitly to everyday life [...] such people have corpses in their mouths." -- Raoul Vaneigem

The revolution is everywhere my friend, you don't wait for it. You live it.

[fernando]

Originally posted by Sickle of [email protected] 8 2005, 11:51 PM
:angry: come on people! lets get something going here! the worlds not changeing because we sit around and discuss communism! lets get vocal! tell bush what we want, and that we want it now (the right wing fool probably doesn't even realize that his country is filled with communists! risist in the name of che!
Hmm...you will stand up with a small group and get no support what so ever...Revolution in the Western nations is unthinkable right now, want to do something? try to support worker unions etc here, perhaps study and go to Latin America and try to get sometihng started there

[farleft]

Originally posted by Sickle of [email protected] 8 2005, 11:51 PM
:angry: come on people! lets get something going here! the worlds not changeing because we sit around and discuss communism! lets get vocal! tell bush what we want, and that we want it now (the right wing fool probably doesn't even realize that his country is filled with communists! risist in the name of che!
That wont help.

How many people protested against the war on Iraq? what did it achieve? nothing, you can stand and shout all you want it wont make a differance.

It's only when things start getting blown up and people start being killed that governments start listening.

The sooner leftists realise this the sooner we can start to bring about communism.

[fernando]

The Imperialists only learn when things back home start going bad, WW1 for Germany and Vietnam for the US are great examples, just make sure the imperialists become instable and you're there!

[Bugalu Shrimp]

That kind of talk can get you a one-way ticket to Guantanamo these days.

[Colombia]

It saddens me when people criticize others for wanting action. They will do more for the change than anyone else.

[fernando]

Originally posted by Bugalu [email protected] 9 2005, 02:53 PM
That kind of talk can get you a one-way ticket to Guantanamo these days.
Hmm..oh yah...but okay it are historical facts. The Nazis believed the germans were betrayed by their own people during WWI and the Yankees believe they were betrayed by those "commie niggerloving hippies" during the Vietnam war

[FriedFrog]

It is quite naive to want a 'Revolution' in these times. There is hardly any social dissent, class consciousness is also low. What's the point of revolution when the people don't want one?

Like h&s says, it will only alienate you from the people you claim to fighting for if you go against what they want. We might want revolution, but they don't call us extreme left for nothing. Most people are centrist and are happy with their lives.

Communism is still a 'hated' political stance in most western countries.

[SocialismIsCentrist]

i believe what needs to be countered is fear of the loony left.

I did a speech recently for a nonsense TV program where we gave our views on things. there was chunnering and nattering, and then when I spoke the true words, "Socialism and Freedom go hand in hand..."

there was silence as if I'd dropped a clanger, and people said to me afterwards, that I was an extremist.

I realised then, what has to be done, is for 'leftists' to redefine themselves as centrists. We need to change the subjective center ground leftwards. the center ground should appear to all to be socialism. Social justice and all that.

There is a currious incomplete victory for the left in the battle of ideas. On the one hand you never see pro-capitalist demonstrations, on the contrary, you see anti-capitalist demos all over the world attended to in great number. and demonstrations in a variety of areas which are in truth anti-capitalist - but somehow the rightists have managed to create a fear of the loony left. Counter this and I think the victory in the battle of ideas will be complete. Then after what follows is wresting power away from those who have it through incumbancy.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by Sickle of [email protected] 8 2005, 11:51 PM
:angry: come on people! lets get something going here! the worlds not changeing because we sit around and discuss communism! lets get vocal! tell bush what we want, and that we want it now (the right wing fool probably doesn't even realize that his country is filled with communists! risist in the name of che!
Most people on this forum partake of demonstrations, local campaigns, party campaigns or protests regularly,

what do you do?

[Sickle of Justice]

[QUOTE]Most people on this forum partake of demonstrations, local campaigns, party campaigns or protests regularly,

what do you do

I do what i can. i think that the most important thing to do is that. the revolution may not be fast, but if we all do our best it WILL happen. i urge people to take action, not just here, but everywhere. i refuse to support capitalist groups and support communist governments wherever they can be found.

[lennonist-leninist]

yes, i think everyone is doing what thay can do but im not shore what kind of action you were talking about we can protest and boycott and wait for the revolution to come it cant be forced.

[gewehr_3]

I think we should go to cuba and start a leftist propaganda radio station and broadcast it to florida and other southern states in english and spanish

[SocialismIsCentrist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2005, 12:47 AM
I think we should go to cuba and start a leftist propaganda radio station and broadcast it to florida and other southern states in english and spanish
I like this idea very much. i'd donate to something like that. I like the idea of some how pirate broadcasting on same frequencies as known rightwing radio channels in america. It would not be an easy thing to do though.

[gewehr_3]

Im sure fidel would approve and give us equipment and we could even run it off clean energy like wind turbines

[SocialismIsCentrist]

what i mean is normally the USA is good at this sort of stuff, they have planes that do this sort of thing. you need proximity to overwelm local radio stations.

[Bugalu Shrimp]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2005, 01:11 AM
Im sure fidel would approve and give us equipment
:lol:

[Forward Union]

I do what i can. i think that the most important thing to do is that. the revolution may not be fast, but if we all do our best it WILL happen.

That's nice, but what demonstrations have your organised or participated in? what protests have you been to? what groups have you funded?


i urge people to take action, not just here, but everywhere.

Then help fund people to get to the G8 protests or something


i refuse to support capitalist groups

So you boycott?


and support communist governments wherever they can be found.

Communist Government is a paradox, since in communism, there would be no government. And besides, how exactly do you "support" these Goverments?. Do you sit there thinking...'hmm they got my support' or do you send them notes kissing their asses. A real communist would find ways to fight governments (which a lot of us do) not support them.

[h&s]

It must be said that just protesting will do nothing. Protests against imperialism and the like are good to raise those issues and related class issues, but we need to be doing more.
Most working class people will take interest in these things, but will ignore it after a while. We need to be doing things that get our opinions and our class perspective accross to people on a daily basis.
Only commitment to the daily class struggle will ever succeed.

[Purple]

I believe that the most important factor in class struggle(or any sort of social struggle) is the media, alert the people through the media, people will unite, and social awareness will be achieved.

[Che1990]

Originally posted by Sickle of [email protected] 8 2005, 11:51 PM
:angry: come on people! lets get something going here! the worlds not changeing because we sit around and discuss communism! lets get vocal! tell bush what we want, and that we want it now (the right wing fool probably doesn't even realize that his country is filled with communists! risist in the name of che!
For one thing, if Bush won't listen to 2000 anti-war protesters he won't listen to a handful of leftists, and secondly, we don't have nearly enough power or people to start a revolution. Plus there are more cappies than commies in the US! Be patient comrade, the time will come.

[rikaguilera]

I like the "wanting" to get something started "now", and in a lot of ways share the feelings. The manner in which a revolt in the U.S. ( or anywhere else for that manner) is carried out is what should be researched though. You want an uprising now. Ok, How are you going to go about it? What foundation for change are you going to use to convince others to follow you?. Some here mentioned that maybe you should get more active in other latin countries first. This is actually (in my opinion) the best way to get something started. Look towards Mexico, and how they are on the edge of change right now. Look to help out the Zapatistas and their fight. Both are issues (while sharing a same desired result) that will cause the U.S. Govt. to take notice. They are also events that will effect a lot of american owned companies. I am very intrested in what is going on in Mexico, and will be traveling there next month (for how long is a question of need). I am one who is wanting change yesterday, but have given it a lot of thought as to how any change can even start here (U.S.). I am not one for just talking, and I do participate in as much as possible. I have organized protest, internet petitions, meetings with other like minded people to talk about "realistic" change, etc.. And through all of this feel that I would be most helpful in Mexico at current.
I applaud your desire. I hope that you research your realistic moves. And I am more than willing to be of any help you should need. Nothing will happen without a foundation first. You can't move until others follow you, so the first step is just that, getting others the intelligence they need to follow.

[El_Revolucionario]

make Che proud
kick the CC out

:D

[Clarksist]

If we start when the time is not right we will lose Lefties who need to help when the time is right.

[SocialismIsCentrist]

Originally posted by h&[email protected] 10 2005, 03:36 PM
It must be said that just protesting will do nothing. Protests against imperialism and the like are good to raise those issues and related class issues, but we need to be doing more.
Most working class people will take interest in these things, but will ignore it after a while. We need to be doing things that get our opinions and our class perspective accross to people on a daily basis.
Only commitment to the daily class struggle will ever succeed.
got to appear more popularist too.

jump on bandwagons. like recently in UK - triggering demonstrations - manchester united was taken over by glazer. that is a perfect example of many peoples wishes being trampled over. and them demonstrating futilely against it. it may be futile but using such things and others, long term resentment may boil over into change.

[Raisa]

Originally posted by Anarcho [email protected] 10 2005, 02:49 PM
A real communist would find ways to fight governments (which a lot of us do) not support them.
That is a pretty anarchistic thing to say. We are not all anarchists. And in the event that there is a government working for communism that is worth while to you, then a productive way to express your support, which is needed in a capitalist world, is to make a Solidarity Organization that educates people about whats going on there. The point of this is it will bring opposition if the government of YOUR country tries to do something imperialist and dirty to the new government you support.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2005, 05:16 AM
in the event that there is a government working for communism that is worth while to you, then a productive way to express your support, which is needed in a capitalist world, is to make a Solidarity Organization that educates people about whats going on there. The point of this is it will bring opposition if the government of YOUR country tries to do something imperialist and dirty to the new government you support.
I agree, though to this day there has been no such government. And it is unlikely one will form in the near future. But I was simply pointing out that although Sickle of Justice has good intentions, his ideas of getting involved seen a bit romanticised. Its good that he's enthusiastic and I hope he will be posting more in Practice to help get involved with the struggle!

[bolshevik butcher]

I urge people to get involved in campaings in their local area.