communism and islam

[KR1Z4]

i dont have alot of info about this subject that's why im looking for a nice discussion here.

"The system kills – kill the system"

isnt it like what islam is known for : "eye to eye" ?

you do this, you'll get the same. you work for the community, the community helps you: during one of the kalifs reigns in islam golden periods what was written in the Quran was applied in a correct way. historians and philosophers wrote that in that era, u couldn't find one single poor person, everybody got what he needs, and why? cause in the islamic religion, one of your duties is to give 1/5 of what you got to people who are less wealthy than you. this way, we're almost equal. this idea is also present in modern economics, "the ascending taxe" (if this is the right translation).

there's still private property, but people are equal.... no more problems > no more fights > no more need for force > no need for people with higher authority to rule > no need for governors :D

damn, im wiered

and by the way, one of the muslim philosophers (Al-Farabi) used to say "reason is superior to (quran) revelation" , materialist, rational...that's why the Lebanese Communist Party called their publishing house "al-farabi publishing house" thinking that they guy was a communist ! :rolleyes:

anyway... got any comments?

[apathy maybe]

Firstly, this should be in religion (and I am sure that it will be moved there very soon).

Secondly, Islam has some major flaws no matter how hard you look at it. These conflict with anarchist/communist ideas. Thus the two can not co-exist. Will it is possible for the two to work together to fight the system, there will come a time when the two will have to fight.

Yes there are variants on Islam that are better then others, however, as I understand it Islam in all its forms doesn't like sexual deviancy or homosexuality. It still ranks women at a lower status then men. And the more violent and obnoxious variants are just crap, putting women at the bottom of the economic pile, forcing them to cover from head to toe and similar.

Yes Islam has as one of the pillars charity, yes there are examples in history of tolerance towards other religions, however, there are still people on top. Iran is an example of an "Islamic" republic. There is an elected parliament (from selected peoples) and a council of *Islamic priests I can't remember what they are called*. Sounds a bit hierarchical for me.

Thus will the two can work together on some points; ultimately they cannot coexist.

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by KR1Z4
...during one of the kalif's reigns in Islam golden periods what was written in the Quran was applied in a correct way. Historians and philosophers wrote that in that era, you couldn't find one single poor person, everybody got what he needs...

No, that's mythology, not history.

Many cultures have such myths of "a golden age"...but none of them ever existed.

There's no question that early Islamic culture was quite "promising" in many respects, first in Baghdad and Damascus and later on in Spain. But the Turks in the east and the Christians in the west put an end to that promise...and ever since, the Islamic world has been shrouded in medieval superstition.

It was very bad luck!

I suppose it's inevitable that someone will invent an Islamic version of "liberation theology" -- that is, they will attempt to "dress up Islam" with bits and scraps of Marxist rhetoric in an effort to make Islam look "modern and progressive".

And like its Catholic prototype, nothing much will come of it.

The whole world era of superstition is drawing to a close. :D

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