The Current Chinese State

[CrazyModerate]

How socialist, and how much should China be used as a model for socialism in it's current form? I'm of the opinion it has become state capitalist, and not a very good role model of socialism.

[bolshevik butcher]

There has never been anyhting like socialism, it has been a stalinist dictatorship and now it is a state capitalist country, still ruled by a very oppressive reigieme.

[LSD]

Chine has never been a really good example of socialism.

But at this point, it's basically just another capitalist dictatorship. Unfortunately, there really is very little chance of that changing in the forseeable future, and the most likely next step is some sort of popular movement leading to liberalizations in the political sector. Maybe some sort of representation or popular accountability.

Regardless though, we're most likely going to be seeing a capitalist China for some time to come. :(

[kurt]

Never was socialist, and never had a chance.

[Super Mario Conspiracy]

I think that there are two options for China to take in the "right direction", or at least, two options I see reasonable and probable:

1. China stays the way it is now, but due to the death of old rulers and party members, new and young people will take their place and take back China to stalinism, and eventually socialism (or, in a way Castro did on Cuba).

2. The West want to look good and puches China into adopting "democracy" - turning it into a similar country as the United States. After some time, new and bright socialist ideas will grow and China will once again be reformed.

Of course, anything could happen. There could be a future civil war inside China between the capitalists and the peasants, the country could split up, etc.

[Saint-Just]

China is not state capitalist, it is more neo-classic liberal. The country has less state welfare than the United States. The language being used in China now is positively Thatcherite and Reaganite in many aspects.

[RevolutionarySocialist MadRedDog]

Since last year China is more and more developing from the deformed workers' state it was to a 'normal' capitalist state. The counter revolution was inevitable since there was never a party with enough influence to make China's deformed workers' state into a genuine socialist society with representatives adhering to the theory of the permanent (and international revolution) and the system of workers' democracy.

[CommieCowboy]

China has one option: Give the reins of power to Leung Kwok-hung.

[LSD]

China has one option: Give the reins of power to Leung Kwok-hung.

What?!

Firstly, how exactly does that solve anything? Yeah. he'd probably be more democratic minded than the CCP, but he'd still keep pushing China towards capitalism.

Secondly, Leung Kwok-hung alone would never be able to significantly change the system. How exactly do you envisage him holding the "reigns of power"? He'd have to contend with a CCP bureaucracy that will not give up its power easily. More so, he'd have to contend with the US who's presence in China at this point has become essential for the economy that Leung Kwok-hung supports! Simply put, Leung Kwok-hung would have a very hard time making a progressive difference if he ever even got the opportunity.

Thirdly, that will never happen.

Fourthly, that will never happen.

And fifthly, that will NEVER happen. The CCP giving up control of the entire fucking PRC to a Hong Kong Councilman?!?

I say again, What?!

[Super Mario Conspiracy]

1/5th of all humans on this planet lives in China. One man can not change it all - the people of China has to do that. And that requires to have the military and the polixe on their side - China has the largest army in the world - thus: mission impossible.

It could happen if the rest of the world would turn socialist - then we can pressure them towards the future. Right now, the US alongside the EU means more economic bull_hit and control than democracy and socialism to China.