Using communism as a tool

[Joseph]

How many heroes of communism were actually just using communism to attain personal power, glory, excitement, or revenge? Should they still be considered heroes or decievers? Deceit and hypocracy of this kind should not happen or the bourgeousis will keep being replaced rather than eliminated.

[*Hippie*]

I agree. I wish there was a way we could tell who is a deceiver right way before they get in power. If there was so many millions would not have been killed in the name of communism. :angry:
I wish communism would be implemented democratically with the majority of people in the nation wanting it.

[Snitza]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2005, 03:12 PM
How many heroes of communism were actually just using communism to attain personal power, glory, excitement, or revenge? Should they still be considered heroes or decievers? Deceit and hypocracy of this kind should not happen or the bourgeousis will keep being replaced rather than eliminated.
He's hit the head of the Leninist "nail" right on the head!

Why should we take the unnessecary chance and risk everything for the sake of installing a new leader who could(and always does, on a long enough timeline) turn out to be just another boss?

In fact, every one of the communist experiments of the 20th century has ended in such a way, and as you rightfully point out, there is still a "ruling class", but instead of the label "bourgeoisie" it's "Communist Party Chairmen".

Elitism is the same, no matter what you call it or what the elite claim to be their "goals". In reality, they only have one goal, and that is to keep the power they've gained.

[1936]

How many heroes of communism were actually just using communism to attain personal power

if your against communists that use there politics for personal gain of power....your not going to like this site.

[ColinH]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2005, 02:08 PM

How many heroes of communism were actually just using communism to attain personal power

if your against communists that use there politics for personal gain of power....your not going to like this site.
Yes, that's correct. We're all dictators-in-training. :rolleyes:

[Frederick_Engles]

Originally posted by Snitza+Jun 7 2005, 05:10 PM--> (Snitza @ Jun 7 2005, 05:10 PM)
[email protected] 7 2005, 03:12 PM
How many heroes of communism were actually just using communism to attain personal power, glory, excitement, or revenge? Should they still be considered heroes or decievers? Deceit and hypocracy of this kind should not happen or the bourgeousis will keep being replaced rather than eliminated.
He's hit the head of the Leninist "nail" right on the head!

Why should we take the unnessecary chance and risk everything for the sake of installing a new leader who could(and always does, on a long enough timeline) turn out to be just another boss?

In fact, every one of the communist experiments of the 20th century has ended in such a way, and as you rightfully point out, there is still a "ruling class", but instead of the label "bourgeoisie" it's "Communist Party Chairmen".

Elitism is the same, no matter what you call it or what the elite claim to be their "goals". In reality, they only have one goal, and that is to keep the power they've gained. [/b]
I completely agree, that's why I'm against the idea of a "vanguard" party, as such.

[STI]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2005, 06:08 PM

How many heroes of communism were actually just using communism to attain personal power

if your against communists that use there politics for personal gain of power....your not going to like this site.
Oh, stow it. You're just spamming.

[Clarksist]

It's pretty obvious now who is just going to be a dictator if they came to power.

*cough*Bob Avakian*cough*

But its probably going to be the people asking for centralized power given to them, and not the people wanting worker ran councils. Just a thought.

[KptnKrill]

Pfft. I would hardly call the leninists communists, just misguided socialists (and that's put nicely :) )