Who Was the Worst US President?

[LeninCCCP]

Kennedy, Nixon, Both Bush's, and Clinton what do you guys think?

[Natalenko]

Nixon!

I dont really think Kennedy was all that bad. EXCEPT TO CUBA!!! grrrr

Me thinks Hoover had something to do with assasinating Kennedy tho.

[Angie]

A conservative U.S Marine officer I know holds an opinion of Kennedy that isn't particularly high at all. He blames Kennedy entirely for the U.S's screw up at Playa Giron, although (and this point is very important considering his position as one deeply entrenched within the military community and culture, a strict patriot, and a strong right-winger), he does not believe that it was worthwhile invading in the first place. Strangely comforting...

[guerrillaradio]

Kennedy was one of the better Presidents. I dislike Harry Truman (for kickstarting the Cold War), Ronnie Reagan, Dick Nixon and both Bushes...

[new democracy]

i don't remember his name, but the leader of the confederation count?

[PunkRawker677]

Grant was never really a president. But, for the sake of debate, i guess he could work.

[new democracy]

regan, president of the confederation.

(Edited by new democracy at 9:13 pm on Sep. 29, 2002)

[LeninCCCP]

Then who was the best?
I say Lincoln for creating a civil rights policy that worked.
Its the racist people who kept it from working like the KKK

[Rob]

I say Reagan, Nixon, and Clinton.

[Borincano]

Quote: from PunkRawker677 on 3:07 pm on Sep. 29, 2002
Grant was never really a president. But, for the sake of debate, i guess he could work.


Umm, General Ulysses S. Grant was actually President of the USA. He was the 18th President, from 1869-1877. He's on the 50 dollar bill, I believe. :)

[Borincano]

The worst Presidents of the USA for me were Mckinley, Herbet Hoover, Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, Ronald Reagan, and George W. Bush.

[PunkRawker677]

Yeah, that was a mistake on my part.. dunno why i said that. I meant Davis.

[Stray]

Clinton was an awesome president. I think Kennedy put the embargo on Cuba to satisfy the conservative elements in the government and planned on removing it but was assassinated before he could. Thomas Jefferson was a good president in some respects.

[canikickit]

George Washington was the worst.

[Iepilei]

Ronald "What's my Name Again?" Reagan

[Guardia Bolivariano]

EVERY president after washington except lincoln

[I Will Deny You]

Wilson, Hoover, Reagan

Lindsay

[IHP]

Lyndon B. Johnson was the worst, he wet his pants over the Vietnam war. I'd say Lincoln was the best. mainly because of the emancipation proclamation.

--IHP

[LeninCCCP]

Any lamebrain who supported the Vietnam war was a complete idiot I feel sorry for the people who were forced to go.

[RedRevolutionary87]

lincoln was a racist!!! bad bad man! i say tricky dick nixxon, reagan, and lincoln are the worst.

the best presidents would have to be carter and kenedy

[Borincano]

RedRevolutionary87,

What proof do you have that he was a racist? Now, everyone thinks he fought the civil war just for the slaves, but it was mainly to hold the union in place and the $$$ that came with it. However, he still did not want to keep slavery, that's why he wanted it illegal before and after the Civil War.

Also, when they were going to execute over 300 Native Americans in 1862 because of a rebellion, he stopped the crazed Generals from doing so and started an investigation to differentiate the murders from those who were fighting for freedom. Only 39 were executed. Now he could have ordered all of them released and settlers from moving westward, (If he was a racist, he would've had all of them murdered) but he was also a politician. Also, the Proclamation of 1763 stated that settlers couldn't move westward into the Appalaccian Mountains, which both didn't work and angered the colonists and began as the foundation for Colonial resentment of Britian. Lincoln already had a massive war on his hands, he didn't feel the need for another one. Overall, I think he was a good President unless proven otherwise.

[kitty43]

Lincoln was the only good president. The presidents for the last century have been nothing but war mongers

[Valkyrie]

Reagan, George Bush Sr. and Truman are the worst presidents. Johnson was a lame president not elected, nor up to the job.

Roosevelt was probably the best of this century. And probably most socialist of the bunch. Carter proves to have done more humanitarian efforts out of office than he did in. If anyone remembers the gas debauchle of the 70's -- a fucking disaster waiting in those lines. though he took a lot of shit for his peanut farming and his brother, billy beer.

[Borincano]

Quote: from Paris on 11:40 pm on Sep. 30, 2002
Johnson was a lame president not elected, nor up to the job.

Well, Johnson did betray the President of the Dominican Republic, Juan Bosch, by sending troops into DR in 1966, and sent the USA into Vietnam, but he did establish medicaid and medicare and tried to improve education and civil rights. Too bad there were many "holes" in his projects and had to go into a devestating war and created more chaos. However, he was elected by one of the great land-slides in USA history. He was sworn in President after Kennedy was shot in 1963, but about a year later he was elected into power for a full four-year- term.

[Valkyrie]

Yeah, you have to give Johnson medicare/medicaid and SS-- those were his.

[munkey soup]

Reagan was one of the worst.

Lincoln the best.

[peaccenicked]

It is Bush jr. Here is the proof.
http://perdurabo10.tripod.com/themindofjam...ahue/id310.html (http://perdurabo10.tripod.com/themindofjamesdonahue/id310.html)

[vox]

Quote: from Paris on 1:22 am on Oct. 1, 2002
Yeah, you have to give Johnson medicare/medicaid and SS-- those were his.


Hmmm, I think that FDR started SS. Johnson had the war on poverty (the Great Society). It should also be nothed that Johnson was more liberal on race issues than Kennedy was, and was sent overseas during one of the civil rights marches in the early Sixties because he was too sypathetic to the cause.

Also, Johnson was elected in 1964.

vox

[vox]

Quote: from PunkRawker677 on 4:07 pm on Sep. 29, 2002
Grant was never really a president. But, for the sake of debate, i guess he could work.


Uh, yes, Grant was a president and he had one of the most corrupt administrations ever.

vox

[LeninCCCP]

Quote: from peaccenicked on 12:25 am on Oct. 1, 2002
It is Bush jr. Here is the proof.
http://perdurabo10.tripod.com/themindofjam...ahue/id310.html (http://perdurabo10.tripod.com/themindofjamesdonahue/id310.html)

thats interesting, but your going to trust someone's interpretation of what Nostradomus might have said. But i do have to say is if its true were all fucked!!!

[casey]

I don't that Bush Jr. has been in office long enough to declare him one of the worst, but by his actions so far, he could be in the end. I think Reagan and Bush Sr. were 2 of the worst. As for the "best", I think that Lincoln did the most for himan rights out of all of our presidents, but that does not make him a monumental idiot by any means.

[I Will Deny You]

Quote: from RedRevolutionary87 on 9:35 pm on Sep. 30, 2002
lincoln was a racist!!! bad bad man! i say tricky dick nixxon, reagan, and lincoln are the worst.

the best presidents would have to be carter and kenedy
Lincoln may have been a racist, but he still is responsible for setting millions of people free. I think that winning the Civil War greatly outweighs any personal bigotry.

Lindsay

[RedRevolutionary87]

ask drake he has sites with quotes from lincoln. and id rather give all the credit to the black slaves that rebelled and taught themselves to read and write, they won black freedom, not lincoln, he just benifited from it

(Edited by RedRevolutionary87 at 5:19 pm on Oct. 2, 2002)

[LeninCCCP]

Almost everyone was racist back then get over it!!!

[j]

Lincoln signed the emancipation proclamation but that only applied to the southern states seeking to leave the union. Loyal slave holding states like Missouri were allowed to keep slaves after the emancipation proclamation. Lincoln also wanted to send all slaves back to Africa. I also believe there was something about a promise of 40 acres and a mule. (but that might not have been Abe). Lincoln's signing of the proclamation was important though. However, I do believe that any president in his shoes would have done the same thing. I don't think it says anything about his greatness as a president.

Because many are racist is no excuse to be racist. Most people in this country are capitalists but that does justify them being capitalists.

Clinton was a good president I think. Or maybe I should say he ranks low on the evil president scale. FDR was the best, though. The new deal? Come on, no president had been so revolutionary.

j

[Smith]

Quote: from canikickit on 6:55 pm on Sep. 30, 2002
George Washington was the worst.


Please explain why? I consider Washington to be the greatist president of the USA. He formed a republic based on freedom of speech and justice and broke away from an Imperial Empire and vowed that America should never become one herself or get invloved in foreign disputes that didn't involve America.

Roosevelt was probably the worst president as he went to war and was constantly pushing for America to join the war agaisnt Germany when the majority of the population saw it as a European war and something that America should not be involved in.

Lincoln was an okay President. He did many bad things for Amercia but did many good things such as ending slavery and beginning to deport slaves back to Africa. Lincoln was also a White Supremacist
http://www.geocities.com/racialpolitics/fi...es/lincoln.html (http://www.geocities.com/racialpolitics/files/lincoln.html)

[j]

Washington was a capitalist that made lots of cash on slavery.

You need to understand that the most lucrative business in the history of the US was slavery. Capitalism drove slavery. Washington was both a slave owner and a capitalist.

FDR was actually against going to war, but Hitler was an evil that needed to be stopped and FDR saw that. The new deal was amazing.

j

[LeninCCCP]

If it werent for washington all of america would probably still be under a monarchy. And England would still be one to.

[Exploited Class]

Quote: from j on 11:36 pm on Oct. 7, 2002
Washington was a capitalist that made lots of cash on slavery.

You need to understand that the most lucrative business in the history of the US was slavery. Capitalism drove slavery. Washington was both a slave owner and a capitalist.

FDR was actually against going to war, but Hitler was an evil that needed to be stopped and FDR saw that. The new deal was amazing.

j

[Exploited Class]

Crap so it posted nothing, sorry folks.


Quote: from j on 11:36 pm on Oct. 7, 2002
Washington was a capitalist that made lots of cash on slavery.

You need to understand that the most lucrative business in the history of the US was slavery. Capitalism drove slavery. Washington was both a slave owner and a capitalist.

FDR was actually against going to war, but Hitler was an evil that needed to be stopped and FDR saw that. The new deal was amazing.

j

Vidal Gore, a friend of the Roosevelts and a very well known writer agrees with many that FDR did infact want to go to war. It was the majority of the America people who at that time did not want to go to war, not till at least Pearl Harbor. Pearl Harbor which many main stream historians are now thinking was what FDR was hoping and trying to achieve to get the American People to want to go to war.

Best American President? That is tough, is that all I get to chose from? That is more like, what would you rather happen to you, blind, crippled, deaf or paralyzed. Answer, NONE. When somebody is elected from a poor background, worked in bad conditions and tried to satisfy the working people and not the owners of the land. That would be the best American President, but rich land owners, give me a break not a good one out of any of the bunch.

Worst American President is easy, Hayes, Rutherford B or Polk, James K.

[Malvinas Argentinas]

Quote: from LeninCCCP on 12:04 am on Oct. 8, 2002
If it werent for washington all of america would probably still be under a monarchy. And England would still be one to.


HOw can you assure that??
In that way i can say that if Lenin hadn´t died, the world would be all communist...

What did Washingtong do to liberate south Aerica??? Where england had nothing to do, South AMericans where under Spanish and Portuguese colonies.
Just after the USA´s got their independencee from england, she started colonising to the south. That policy was started with washington, and followed by all the other presidents. Just after, a lot of Southamerican countries got their indepndence and liberated from spanish and portugues, the first one to be there and intervine was the USA. Lets take as an example Cuba. THey liberated from the spanish in the 19th century, a righgt afterwards that the peple of the caibean iland got their independence, the yanquis came with thir flag and istalled it in the country. I dont think that countries such as cuba have to give thanks to washington for their independence, or countries such as Agentina, Chile, BOlivia Venezuela, Paraguay, Peru, COlombia , BRasil.
I dont think that all this countries owe gratitude to Washington... who was the predesesor of all the other USA president.
All thee countries have to give thanks to San Martin, Bolivar, Marti..., etc.., not to the man that iniciated the most oppresive country in history. ANd although it cant be considereda monarchy, it can easly be considered an empire

I think we shouldnt discuss who is the worst president, i think we should discuss who was the worst emperor

[j]

Like I said....its not really about best president. It's about the evil president scale. 0 would be perfect--no evil at all. 100 would be, like Hitler (or Stalin).

George Jr. is about a 86 or so.
JFK was about a 30
Clinton about a 30 as well.
FDR was more like a 10 or 15.

any other ideas?

j

[truthaddict11]

i didnt read all the posts but leninccp lincoln was a rascist.

[cynical]

truman,nixon,reagan,bush senior,bush junior,(stupidity is a family value),clinton.those who were more good than bad:kennedy,lincoln,wilson

[truthaddict11]

no particular order
Nixion
Reagan
Bush 1&2
Clinton
Eisenhower
Truman
Hoover -hate him the most laize faire capitalist scum
A. Jackson-fucking Indian murderer

[AryaN BLitZKrieG]

I say Carter for letting Khomeini start the 79' revolution in Iran, he really screwed things up there

[Che Entifada]

If Carter is the one who let Khomeini start the revolution there .. I would say that Carter is the best !!!
I think that the islamic revolution in iran has made many positive changes in iran .. the most important that they kick out the Shah -a usa mercenary- , he didnt do too mush for his people , his interests was just to be the Ruler -Shah-.

Anyway .. back to the main subject , Bush is the worst.

[AryaN BLitZKrieG]

Alright, true, the shah was an American puppet but Khomeini... damn man, 60 million ppl are suffering in Iran because of him. May there be another revolution so that I can return to my beloved country.

[Che Entifada]

"60 million ppl are suffering in Iran because of him"
All that because he made an islamic country ?!?! although an not islamic but i know what it islam , and what is the islamic country ...

and why you cant come back to iran?

[Brasil comunist]

The worst: George W. Bush, couse of his distorted view of the world.
The bests: Clinton, that assumed the function of World leader and Lincoln couse of the reasons already said.

[AryaN BLitZKrieG]

the reason why i cant go back? Iran has become a 3rd world country because of khomeini, there are no rights, no freedoms and no potential. An Islamic Regime will get no one anywhere. The only reason why there is an Islamic country is for the citizens to live the same way Mohammad the prophet lived all those years ago, and that is unacceptible

[Reuben]

Franklin Roosevelt of course. Probably made the most progressive economic changes. Having said theat his immigration policy was a fucking disgrace

[Nateddi]

worst president?

Ronald Reagan, who else?!

[Reuben]

oh sorry i thought we were talking bout best president ignore my post

[new democracy]

jimmy carter was the best because of his efforts to promote peace and human rights. the worse is the current one because of the killing he did in afghanistan and the future atrocities he is about to do. if the president of the confederation counts, i will replace dubya with him.

[EjercitoFidelista]

Hello.. i have the answer to that quetion fellow brothers.. J.F.K..JOHN F. Kennedy was the wrose president of the United States of America.. (The Land of The free)..Keneddy.. was the one that brain washed Cubans for they they them slefes the cubans could bring down Castro.. JFK .. didint want none of the Us solduers to be apart of it.. wich he told the U.s Citizens that they did go the us soldiers to go and fight on the Bay OF pigs.. Not onyl that JFK. was linked to the mafia to the Chicago Crime Family.. The same mob that made him president the same mob he worked with .. for he could of had more fame and he had alot of furtune.. but .. of course.. he had to bring the C.C.F=CHICAGO CRIME FAMILY.. down .. they were killing too much .. and making a bad name for jfk .. the mob said fuck you .. if it wasnt for us.. u wouldnt be president.. Jfk said.. ok.. he started to bring big mobs down next to his brother once the ccf heard of that .. They hit em .. James Nocoletti and sean giocana..were the main involve int he hit.. and others too like.. Cuban exciles.. JFK staff.. and other mobs from BUFFALO .. CHICAGO, NYC.. were supporting it.. so you see JFK .. was a real curropted president.. or can you really call him president.?? isnt it more like a Mobster.. you decide.. and he wasnt voted to be president. HE WAS BOUGHT!.. THE SAEM WAY G. W. BUSH WAS BOUGHT IN FLORIDA.. !.. ITS LIKE THE CCF MOB SAID.. WE DID YOU GOOD JOHN.. BUT YOU DID US BAD.. .............JFK.. tHE WORSE.. e-mail me if you support me or have something to sya about this.. if you think im wrong or not.. and not only that .. Jfk .. was contracting CCF MOBSTERS TO DO A HIT ON FIDEL CASTRO.. he couldnt do it no other way once Russia foudn out.. he was shittin bricks.. From :E.Fidelista.

[man in the red suit]

If i haven't posted here before then I will now but if I already have then this list will be better.


Ronald Regan: I don't think I need to go into detail
Richard Nixon: watergate
Dwight D. :anti communist policies and the measures he took to enforce them
Harry S. Truman:the wonderful little bombings on the innocents of hiroshima and his containment Policy
Teddy rossevelt: for this quote "all in all, I believe the black race to be politically and academically, an inferior and primitive race to the white majority" and he said this after a meeting with Frederick douglas
Andrew Johnson: another terrible racist who often "overlooked" the thirteenth ammendment in many sourthern states
Andrew Jackosn: trail of tears and his Imperial conquest to expand towards the pacific
John Adams: alien and sedition acts

bush senior was pretty bad too and a few others as well but they were not the worst presidents in my opinion

[Annelie]

Nixon and both Bush's ... think were one of the worthest ... Jackson with the Indians etc. ...
my favorite is CARTER ...

[Che Entifada]

about iran .. AryaN BLitZKrieG , what you said is wrong in my opinion , first iran now leads itself , unlike before the islamic revolution. Dont forget that when a revolution happened in a way it fight the stronger country in the world (usa & israel) , it surely will make the success of this revolution more difficult ..
Why you think that this rule is not good .. because iran`s economy is not as it was in the past .. but dont forget that there is siege made by USA on iran (as cuba).
Yes , there is many things not good enough in iran , but you -as an iranian- must support your country .. not attacking it , and if you want to say No , say it in your country .. if you dont do that , your ideas wont be useful .

[new democracy]

you just siad "always support your country"? this is a leftist forum!!!

[Che Entifada]

ND said :
" you just siad "always support your country"? this is a leftist forum!!! "

So what ??? as leftist or rightist or whatever .. anyone must support his/her country UNLESS it makes bad things ... as (israel) .. in this case you must say No and tell them your ideas and opinions ..

[new democracy]

in most of times support your country means supporting capitalism, and iran does a lot of bad things.

[AryaN BLitZKrieG]

finally, someone with a realistic answer, Iran does a LOT, i mean a lot of bad things, you think Saddam is bad, go check out Iran's regime, MUCH worse.

[new democracy]

i know, i hope hell exist so khomeini will suffer.

[Che Entifada]

Iran supports "capitalism" ... realy funnnnnnny ..
Why dont you -ND- go read some books about islamic affairs before you write Sophisms ..
Islam -that both of you dont know athing about- is neither capitalist nor socialist , as it tell us its a system that stands between the both .. so in many things you can notice that its similar to both of them ..
About iran , and the bad things you are talking about , i have no idea .. but i know many guys from there, and we always talk about iran .. they didnt tell me terrible things ..

Could you tell me , what are the bad things ?

[Che Entifada]

" i know, i hope hell exist so khomeini will suffer. "

that means you`ll suffer with him !! :)

just kidding ..

[new democracy]

i never said that islam is capitalist, but did khomeini created a classless, moneyless society? did he gave workers the control of work? if you ask me, khomeini has distorted islam.

[AryaN BLitZKrieG]

those iranians who you talked with who support Khomeini are only in it for the money Hezbollah cashes out of innocent Iranian labourers. I have no respect for them.

[Che Entifada]

Are you waiting the iranians to say : Live USA , Live israel ?!?!!? If so .. you are dreaming.
Another thing .. Hizbollah get his support from iran as weapons more than money .. and this money is not spent on cars and companies and big houses (as Arafat and his friends) .. No , not like that.
Read more about them toooooo ... they have many many many social activities , they opened schools , charities and many social foundations .
And we cant ignore the big victory that it has made in south Lebanon ... thats give us a great example to the armed resistance ..

[man in the red suit]

Quote: from Annelie on 10:47 am on Oct. 13, 2002
Nixon and both Bush's ... think were one of the worthest ... Jackson with the Indians etc. ...
my favorite is CARTER ...


what the hell did carter do? he was a nobody. He is a great man but still was a lousy president.

[new democracy]

Quote: from man in the red suit on 7:54 pm on Oct. 13, 2002

Quote: from Annelie on 10:47 am on Oct. 13, 2002
Nixon and both Bush's ... think were one of the worthest ... Jackson with the Indians etc. ...
my favorite is CARTER ...


what the hell did carter do? he was a nobody. He is a great man but still was a lousy president.
what are you talking about!? without him cutting the aid to the somoza dictatorship, the sandinista revolution would have never happened!!! and you know who tried to destroy this revolution? iran!!!! Che Entifada, i am just wondering: do you support the eleven in september attack?

[man in the red suit]

what makes you think that cutting funding to a dictatorship is going to promote a revolution? the sandinista revolution could of just have easily of happend with Somoza's funding. And look what happened anyways, the sandinista revolution didn't do shit, the contras have already taken Nicaragua back and now that ***** Violeta barrios de chamaros has power. So you think that Carter, by cutting funding to Somoza, did anything at all? NO! now you have contras in power instead of Somaza.

[Conghaileach]

Didn't Carter try to crush a few unions in the US during his reign?

[man in the red suit]

exactly, there you go, yet another example of his lousy political descisions.

[Che Entifada]

" do you support the eleven in september attack? "
Look its not my first time talking to an israelian , one thing that all of you are similar in .. you always change the discussing to the secondery points , you are great in that :) for example when i said that the isarealians occupied Palestine .. you said that Hamas is killing innocents !!!
Anyways .. about your question , No i dont support it BUT I WOULD BE IF THE ATTACKS WERE IN THE MILITARY BASES IN THE GULF ... even if 100000000 american soldier were killed ..

[man in the red suit]

Quote: from Che Entifada on 8:23 pm on Oct. 13, 2002
" do you support the eleven in september attack? "
No i dont support it BUT I WOULD BE IF THE ATTACKS WERE IN THE MILITARY BASES IN THE GULF ... even if 100000000 american soldier were killed ..


wow. what a peaceful guy. I think Cheentifada needs a big hug.

[new democracy]

contras are actually somoza loyals. the revolution has helped nicaragua a lot. and che entifada, with how many israelis did you talk? they were zionists? about my question, i was just wondering.

[man in the red suit]

if contras were somoza loyals then how the hell did the revolution solve anything. The way I see it, you just put Somoza himself back into power.

[new democracy]

read about the revolution in Nicaragua Solidarity Campaign (http://www.nicaraguasc.org.uk/overview/index.html). this great revolution was destroyed by the u.s, iran and israel.

[Che Entifada]

with how many israelis did i talk??? i dont know ! cause i`ve never count them :) what i meant that i do have experiances with israelis , zionest and anti-zionest ..
By the way , do you know what does zionest means? in arabic its (sohion) .. its a mountain in Jerusalem , which doesnt related to jews .. its just a zionest lie

[new democracy]

i know, it is a well known fact that zionism was created by wealthy jews tp separate jewish workers from other workers. and the anti zionists israelis which you talked to, from which organizations they came?

[Che Entifada]

most of them are not members in organizations ... and there is someone here in jordan i talked with , and she doesnt support (israel) , and i`ve met some of them also in France ..

[new democracy]

thanks.

[Che Entifada]

thanx for what ??

[new democracy]

fir telling me. i think you will find this site as interesting: http://www.onerepublic.org/ .

[truthaddict11]

dont like clinton his regieme initiated all those nasty stuff like GATT NAFTA AND WTO

[trash kitty]

my opinion on the topic: nixon and both bush's were crappy presidents