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Red Heretic
6th June 2005, 03:36
I'm in desparate need for some graphic artists to help me with an easy job. I'm in the process of making a MMORPG based on the People's War in Nepal, and I need people to contribute some very easy skill level graphical work. It's just bitmap shit that looks like SNES Zelda.

If you can help PLEASE respond or contact me on AIM. My Screen name is Leftist Heretic

Thanks!

Red Heretic
6th June 2005, 10:21
Here's the artwork I just finished for the Login screen:

http://img186.echo.cx/img186/5376/charselect8zq.png

bunk
6th June 2005, 12:02
I can't help but it looks cool. I'd probably play it.

Forward Union
6th June 2005, 12:07
I may be able to help, what u need?

Snitza
6th June 2005, 15:22
Yeah, just put out requests for certian kinds of screens, characters or anything, we can all try to pitch in with our work.

But enough of this nonsense, tell us more about the game!!!

bolshevik butcher
6th June 2005, 16:53
It sounds really cool, i don't know about this kinda thing unfortunatley.

Red Heretic
7th June 2005, 06:49
Hehe, ok guys, I'll tell you a little more. As I mentioned earlier, it's going to be a FREE MMORPG, based on the Nepalese People's War.

It's going to be based on the real landscaping and cities of Nepal, and it's going to have a real protracted people's war socialist economy. The economy will work as follows:

Equipment in the socialist villages will all be free, but since it is a protracted people's war, the equipment that the players will start with will be nearly useless and very weak. The player will build up the power of themselves and their comrades by gaining increasingly powerful weapons through combat with police and soldiers. Also, equipment will also be able to be obtained through going on quests (like raiding certain police outposts, and rescueing certain hostages).

The player will start out in a village in the Rukum provence of Nepal (the heart of the revolution), and will be given quests through out the Nepalese countryside. The quests will be semi linear, and many will require a team of friends to complete. The final quest will be to take state power in Katmandu. This will be an extremely difficult quest, and will require many players to complete.

I finally compeleted the login screen if anyones interested:

http://img234.echo.cx/img234/7141/login4ao.jpg

Red Heretic
7th June 2005, 07:10
The kit I have attached to this is the template for editing the chatacter set that the engine will use. It's the default template that came with the kit, and it "fantasy" characters. It includes a little bit of work that I've done on the character set so far (there's an incomplete soldier that i'm doing on line two, and I also erased a couple of the animations on line one). Feel free to overwrite anythingi n the kit, when you repost it I can copy and past your work into mine and make everything flow. When youre done with your work ZIP it back up and post it here. The chacter sizes are 32 x 32 pixels each.

The first thing I need done is I need someone to make me a animated version of the guerilla woman on the left hand of this photo:

http://img183.echo.cx/img183/9536/maoistspla9wz.jpg


Another request:

Could someone draw a 64 pixel high, and 32 pixel wide red flag with a white hammer and sickle on a flag pole?

Another requst, I need someone to draw a house that resembles this one:

http://img210.echo.cx/img210/5025/home7ai.jpg

The house needs to be a pixel size the is divisible by 32 (like 256 x 256 or something)

Red Heretic
7th June 2005, 08:02
New request: Design a new hud for the gamer. I want to change out "HP and "MP" for "Health" and "Strength." We're aiming for dark colors, and any inlaid graphics in the windows on the right would be great. Here's the default template that came with the engine:

http://img240.echo.cx/img240/6714/game7wr.jpg

Commify it!

Forward Union
7th June 2005, 10:38
Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2005, 07:02 AM
Commify it!
I came up with this, though if you feel it needs stuff added to it, or taken away I can still modify it further

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Forward Union
7th June 2005, 11:46
Could someone draw a 64 pixel high, and 32 pixel wide red flag with a white hammer and sickle on a flag pole?

ok:

Forward Union
7th June 2005, 11:47
Although I suspect this might look better

If you could explain how you want the flag pole to work, I will intergrate it next.

Red Heretic
7th June 2005, 18:47
Hey Anarcho Rebel, thanks for the posts. A few things,

First off, I like what you did with the GUI, but I hate to tell you that the game is going to cover up the photo you inlaid. Could you add symbols to the other boxes maybe? Also, can you do a darker shade of red, and then touch up the text to brighten it? Also, you misspelled "Strength," and that text overlaps the health and strength bars when I load the game into it. Try to keep H&S the same proportionate sizes as the defaults. Anyone is welcome to help by the way, not just AR.


As for the flag, I should have explained the better, my bad. It&#39;s supposed to be a flag on a flag pole. ;) Nevertheless, now the I see how small that is, I imagine how difficult that would be to make. You can make the flag/pole any side that you want so long as the length and width are divisible by 32.

Thank you for your contributions AR, and I woork forward to seeing your future work. :D

Pimpin&#39;Princip
7th June 2005, 20:52
I would like to help and i jsut downlaoded your kit, buti think it would help if there were more information about the game and source material i could look at. I would like to help with graphics but i could also help with writing, possibly quests and the like. So just let me know about anything you need help with, it needent be limited to graphics.

Forward Union
7th June 2005, 21:59
Ok, I&#39;ve made some massive changes, if "Strength" and "Health" still overlap, i&#39;ve left them easy to change...

JazzRemington
7th June 2005, 23:12
I can&#39;t help with the graphics, but if you need ideas for special events, such as invasions or disasters, or help with random tasks, hit me up.

Red Heretic
7th June 2005, 23:23
AR, that looks GREAT&#33; However, a few more revisions :D

1. Ok, I&#39;ve reconsidered the Health and Strngth thing, and I think we should replace them with HP and SP.

2. Since you&#39;re using a different font, can you replace all of the text?

3. Can you replace the word Magic with Strength?

4. Can you slightly darken the tint of red.

I know it&#39;s alot, comrade, so feel free to take your time.

I&#39;m currently working on that flag myself right now, but if anyone else wants to do one too we could have flag types....

P.S. For all of those of you who want to join the team (such as Pimpin), contact me on AIM, and perhaps we can work something out.

Red Heretic
8th June 2005, 05:01
First ever screenshot:

http://img295.echo.cx/img295/8719/screenie5db.jpg

Forward Union
8th June 2005, 17:46
Well, I&#39;ve done most of teh changes, as for the red, im havign toruble usign my application to get it any darker, any help would be good. Heres what I got so far...

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Red Heretic
8th June 2005, 20:14
Looks great AR. Only thing I see left for you to do is fix the word "magic" to strength, the letters MP in the very top right to SP and one more thing I&#39;m going to request...

Can you change Spell to Skill?

thanks a million&#33;&#33;&#33; It looks awesome.

Bolshevist
8th June 2005, 20:35
Good work makhno. Might I ask what programming language you are using?

Forward Union
8th June 2005, 21:38
okey dokey&#33; ;)

Red Heretic
9th June 2005, 04:01
*Applause*

Fuckin&#39; great work AR&#33; Thanks, comrade.

Lenin i Stalin, I&#39;m actually cheating. I&#39;m using a pre-made MMORPG engine called Twilight ORPG. It is a free MMORPG engine that was released a couple weeks ago. It handles the programming for you, and you yourself do all of the artwork, and program in all of the items, quests, characters, and design the world.

Red Heretic
9th June 2005, 04:42
I did some touch ups, and took a screenshot with the full interface in action:

http://img29.echo.cx/img29/66/screenshot3ra.jpg

I&#39;m going to touch up the darker lines a little bit before release, but I thought i&#39;d keep you guys updated.

Red Heretic
9th June 2005, 08:23
Ok, I&#39;v got a new assignment for you guys. I need someone design items/weapons/armor. I&#39;ve attached the default item template, can one of you do the art for it? I hate a few suggestions as to what needs to go into it.

- Rifles
- Shotguns (2 should suffice)
- MedKits
- Hats
- Bandanas
- Light Clothing
- Body Armor
- Knives (or maybe just leave the ones that are already there and add a few of your own)

Forward Union
9th June 2005, 09:14
Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2005, 03:42 AM
I&#39;m going to touch up the darker lines a little bit before release, but I thought i&#39;d keep you guys updated.
Yea that&#39;s where my abilities end, but cool, can&#39;t wait for it to be publicly available.

Well, done&#33;

Forward Union
9th June 2005, 10:54
Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2005, 07:23 AM
- Shotguns (2 should suffice)

I have one Shotgun:

Forward Union
9th June 2005, 11:18
This ones a bit crappy...I would prefere someone else do these, im really not that skilled.

Red Heretic
9th June 2005, 19:42
Originally posted by Anarcho [email protected] 9 2005, 08:14 AM
Yea that&#39;s where my abilities end, but cool, can&#39;t wait for it to be publicly available.

Well, done&#33;
Well, I&#39;m looking forward to it too, but there&#39;s still ALOT of work to get done.

Anyway, your art look great, but are you aware it&#39;s supposed to be 32 x 32 pixels? No worries though, I&#39;ll shink it for you.

Red Heretic
10th June 2005, 01:15
Here is the list of weapons in need specifically at this point:

M16
M4
MP5
Sniper Rifle of some sort
Belgium Minime
RPG

gewehr_3
10th June 2005, 02:06
I would suggest the soviet SVD (Dragunov) sniper rifle

Red Heretic
10th June 2005, 09:44
well gewer, we&#39;re trying to make the game as true to the actual conflict as possible. Since I don&#39;t know what kinds of sniper rifles are being used, I might make an exception.

Forward Union
10th June 2005, 10:03
Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2005, 08:44 AM
well gewer, we&#39;re trying to make the game as true to the actual conflict as possible. Since I don&#39;t know what kinds of sniper rifles are being used, I might make an exception.
They generally use muskets. No seriously. The revolutionaries primary form of rifle is the musket.

Pimpin&#39;Princip
10th June 2005, 16:48
I immagine any soviet weapons, or anything used in WWII (excluding american weapons possibly) would be in use. I&#39;ll try to catch you on AIM sometime btw Makhno.

Red Heretic
10th June 2005, 18:09
Originally posted by Anarcho [email protected] 10 2005, 09:03 AM
They generally use muskets. No seriously. The revolutionaries primary form of rifle is the musket.
Not anymore. Most of the photos and articles done by Li Onesto will portray them as using muskets, but that was in 1999. If you check out her book "Dispatches from the People&#39;s War in Nepal" (which is very good&#33;) she has an article in the back about how since her trip they have modernized their weaponry by stealing US and Indian shipments, and through raiding police stations.

Forward Union
11th June 2005, 17:23
Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2005, 05:09 PM
Not anymore. Most of the photos and articles done by Li Onesto will portray them as using muskets, but that was in 1999. If you check out her book "Dispatches from the People&#39;s War in Nepal" (which is very good&#33;) she has an article in the back about how since her trip they have modernized their weaponry by stealing US and Indian shipments, and through raiding police stations.
Oh ok I see, well I read an article about the war in Nepal written by the left-wing indymedia-esque magazine called Bulb that explain how the country is in turmoil, and whichever side you support, the war is doing more damage than good.

It depicted how the people fighting and living under the Revolution are mostly just maoist zombies with their heads set firmly up Mao&#39;s ass. Simply reciting slogans from Das Kapital without any real thought.

Sounds bad, maybe because im not a maoist. But I don&#39;t think such a sudden change from feudalism to maosim wil lbe sucessful.

Red Heretic
12th June 2005, 05:39
bleh, AR, that&#39;s absolute bullshit man. The truth is that all of the news coming from Nepal is censored by the King, who has ruled that all media must first pass through his censor. All of the foreign press (with the exception of that coming from journalists who are snuck into the country) is the King&#39;s official bullshit.

The truth is that the Nepalese people are putting forward a radical, heroic, and inspiring struggle. Having read over 50 first hand accounts of people taking part in the revolution, I can confidently tell you that nothing could be further from the truth than that article.

I would strongly encourage you to read a first hand account of the revolution such as this one: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detai...=books&n=507846 (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0745323405/qid=1118551141/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/104-9391581-2822342?v=glance&s=books&n=507846)
and to check out media on the topic written from a communist perspective at places such as www.awtw.org (A World to Win) and www.revcom.us

As for your analysis of the transition to socialism in a fuedal country... not only is it going to happen... that is how it HAS to happen. You see, because of the nature of the imperialist system, the contradictions of imperialism are going to assert themselves most distincly in the exploited countries (third world countries). When revolutions occur in the third world, the imperialist regime is forced to increase it&#39;s exploitation of other third world countries, inspiring revolutions in those countries as well. This sharpens the class contradictions in the first world, which causes revolution in the first world.

Nepal, the third poorest country in the world, is the perfect place for revolution.

Red Heretic
12th June 2005, 05:48
by the way Anarcho Rebel, I&#39;ve got a documentary on it&#39;s way to me from the Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist), and I&#39;d be more than happy to send it to you so you could see first-hand :D

Red Heretic
13th June 2005, 04:27
still looking for weapon designs and character model designs. Any help would be much appreacited.

Also, if anyone would be willing to provide web hosting for our website... that would be infinitely helpful.

Forward Union
13th June 2005, 10:46
Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2005, 03:27 AM
still looking for weapon designs and character model designs. Any help would be much appreacited.

Also, if anyone would be willing to provide web hosting for our website... that would be infinitely helpful.
I think Malte can let you host it on FightCapitalism.net or soemthing, I dunno, ask him.

Red Heretic
14th June 2005, 02:21
New request: web designers, you are needed&#33;&#33;&#33;

Pimpin&#39;Princip
14th June 2005, 22:11
I cant help with hosting, but ishould be able to help with webdesign.

Red Heretic
16th June 2005, 06:10
That sounds great... any other web designers interesting in joining the team?

PS: Can you please IM me pimpin?

Red Heretic
21st June 2005, 00:06
In light of my earlier discussion with Anarcho Rebel, I thought I&#39;d post this.


Telling Lies in Kathmandu

Revolution #007, June 26, 2005, posted at revcom.us <http://www.revcom.us>

Eliza Griswold&#39;s article, "It&#39;s Not Easy Here in Kathmandu--Caught
between the Maoist rebels and the king&#39;s army" appeared in the May 2005
issue of Harper&#39;s magazine. I have traveled into the guerrilla zones in
Nepal and closely follow developments in this conflict, and I&#39;m
constantly angered by this kind of journalism which contributes to a
growing mountain of harmful disinformation.


The Lie of "Caught in the Middle"

People like Eliza Griswold are very disturbed by the reality that the
Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist) now controls most of Nepal&#39;s
countryside, their People&#39;s Liberation Army is able to mobilize
thousands of guerrillas in battle against the Royal Nepalese Army (RNA),
and in areas run by new revolutionary governments, they are radically
changing the economic, political, and cultural life of millions of poor
peasants.1
<http://rwor.org/a/007/nepal-refutation-harpers-article.htm#footnote1>
The Maoists began their People&#39;s War in 1996 and, ever since, Nepal&#39;s
ruling class has been in constant crisis over how to deal with this
insurgency which is now threatening to seize power. But instead of a
serious discussion about why the Maoists have grown so rapidly,
Griswold&#39;s theme, indicated by her subtitle, is that the majority of
people in Nepal are caught in the middle--between a brutal government
guilty of horrendous human rights abuses, and Maoists who are even worse.

To paint this scenario, Griswold introduces: an 18-year-old girl in the
RNA; an RNA Brigadier General trained at Fort Leavenworth; the editor of
a conservative Kathmandu newspaper; the U.S. ambassador to Nepal; a
doctor and several people at a center set up only for "victims of Maoist
torture" (no victims of the RNA); villagers in a contested area in the
Terai; two girls and the principal at Kathmandu Valley school who say
they were "abducted by Maoists"; a human rights researcher who says "no
one wants to abandon Nepal to the Maoists."

Almost all of these two dozen or so people are by definition hostile to
the Maoists and were in cities or other areas under government control.
Sweeping censorship and systematic disinformation by the Nepalese
government2
<http://rwor.org/a/007/nepal-refutation-harpers-article.htm#footnote2>
have had a huge impact on people&#39;s opinions and what they know and don&#39;t
know about the Maoists, not only internationally but within Nepal
itself, and this is especially true among many of the people Griswold
quotes.

Griswold talks to three Maoists--two rebels she arranges to meet along
the roadside and a journalist who left the Maoists, was imprisoned and
tortured by the government and now writes for a Maoist newspaper. There
is a quote from a leader in the CPN(M). But other than this, there are
no views from Maoist supporters and no conversations with people living
in Maoist base areas.

In Griswold&#39;s "caught in the middle" scenario, Maoist supporters are
simply written off as if they are not part of the people. But the
People&#39;s Liberation Army is made up of tens of thousands of common
peasants who are not "caught in the middle" but have joined the
insurgency. And many more are participating in the new revolutionary
governments.

In Nepal over 85% of the people are peasants in the countryside,
desperately poor, malnourished, and exploited by corrupt officials,
landlords, and moneylenders. Lower castes and oppressed ethnic groups
face systematic discrimination under a rigid caste system. Women are
intensely suppressed and treated as inferior in every facet of society.
A king controls the army and an oppressive monarchy is deeply embedded
in the ruling structures of society. The whole country is subordinate
to, dependent on, and dominated by India and imperialist countries like
the U.S.

The Maoist revolution aims to get rid of all this. The Nepalese regime
rules over, enforces and is fighting to preserve all this. Are the
masses of people, as Griswold argues, caught between these two fires?
No&#33; The Maoists are organizing and providing leadership to millions who
are brutally and systematically oppressed by the system AND who are
inspired by and support the Maoists&#39; vision and concrete program for
building a new liberating society.

Nepal&#39;s ruling class has not and cannot solve the basic problems of
food, water, sanitation, and health care because this requires tearing
up the existing economic, social, and political relationships within
Nepalese society and between Nepal and other countries. While Griswold
acknowledges the dire situation of the masses, she wants us to believe
the Maoists are cynically "taking advantage" of and manipulating this.
In truth, the Maoists have support in Nepal exactly because they are
addressing the deeply embedded oppression people face. In areas they
control real changes are taking place: redistribution of land, equal
rights for women, end to the caste system, autonomy for oppressed ethnic
groups, healthcare, education and the building of roads and bridges.
Even a young woman in the government&#39;s army tells Griswold: "The Maoists
have high principles.so they attract everyone who is interested in
struggling for equality. Some of my friends from my village have joined
them. If I lived in the village, I&#39;d be a Maoist, too."

When I was in the guerrilla zones in 1999, I was very struck by the
composition of the PLA squads and platoons. They were overwhelmingly
made up of those on the very bottom of society--lower castes, ethnic
minorities, peasant youth and many, many young women. This says a lot
about the nature of this revolution.


Revolutionary Authority

Let&#39;s get right down to it. People like Griswold may talk about
government repression, deep poverty, and powerlessness among the poor.
But they don&#39;t uphold the right of the people to really struggle against
any of this. And what they hate a lot more than the oppressive status
quo is revolutionary authority being exercised to actually transform the
prevailing economic and social relations, as well as the culture and
thinking that goes along with this oppressive setup. In effect, this is
an argument that the people should just accept their horrible conditions
and ends up justifying crushing the revolutionary struggle.

Griswold mentions that the Maoists hold power in 73 of the 75 political
districts, but is content to stay in the disinformation zones and never
goes into areas under Maoist control--which constitute most of Nepal&#33;
She doesn&#39;t even talk about what&#39;s happening in these areas. Instead,
the view running through her article is that Maoist rule is a
totalitarian and horrible thing.

But what is actually being accomplished under Maoist authority in Nepal?
Another way to pose this is: What is the power the Maoists have achieved
through armed struggle good for?

I could go into a lot of examples here. But just take the question of
women--which revealingly Griswold doesn&#39;t talk about, even though the
huge participation of women in this revolution is a fact widely
acknowledged.

Feudal traditions like arranged marriages, dowries, and polygamy are
enforced in many ways and under a mixture of feudal and capitalist
rules; women&#39;s bodies are owned, controlled, and bargained over in
everything from marriage to sex trafficking. Religious and cultural
practices promote and perpetuate male domination. And everywhere a woman
turns, her freedom and independence is policed and smothered. For women
to be free of all this, the basic economic relations of land ownership
in the countryside have to be upended. Control has to be taken out of
the hands of the religious, political, and military forces which back up
the tyranny of local landlords, corrupt politicians, and moneylenders.
Social and cultural institutions which provide a foundation for the
patriarchal control of fathers, brothers, and mother-in-laws have to be
done away with. The whole education system has to be revolutionized.

And this is exactly what revolutionary authority and power is good for&#33;
In the Maoist base areas land is being redistributed, and for the first
time women own land. Arranged marriages, polygamy, and other feudal
traditions oppressive to women are no longer practiced. Wife beating and
rape are severely punished by people&#39;s courts. Women are given the right
to divorce, go to school, and fight in local militias as well as the
People&#39;s Liberation Army. And women are equal participants in the new
economic, political, and social life of the villages.

Extremely significant and liberating changes are taking place in the
Maoist base areas, but Griswold cynically writes them off. When she sees
men building the roof of a new school, her only response is to question
why the Maoists charge a &#036;3 tuition. For literally hundreds of millions
of people around the world, life is dictated, ruined and suppressed by
horrible caste distinctions. No amount of capitalist globalization and
westernization has gotten rid of this. But Griswold doesn&#39;t even comment
when she hears that in the Maoist areas caste distinctions have been
abolished and intercaste marriages are common.

The Nepalese people need revolutionary change--not a "solution" within
the present order which has as its foundation exploitative economic
relations and intense social inequality, as well as an entrenched
dependence on foreign powers. Daily life for the majority of people
concretely and repeatedly demonstrates this--which is why the Maoists
have real support.


Tales of Coercion and Terror

Griswold&#39;s analysis includes quoting a man who tells her, "99 percent of
the country don&#39;t like the Maoists"--a ridiculous claim given the growth
of the insurgency, which even those unsympathetic to the guerrillas
admit. But this goes along with Griswold&#39;s claim that the Maoists only
get support through coercion and terror. She says: "The Maoists have
begun to demand that every family sacrifice one person to their cause."

A reporter in Nepal for the Maoist newspaper Janadesh responded to
Griswold&#39;s charge, saying,

"The Maoists do not force anybody to fight. How can anyone force a
man or woman to fire a gun? You need courage, dedication and spirit
of sacrifice to become a fighter in the People&#39;s Liberation Army.
It&#39;s not like playing video war games on a computer. It&#39;s a life and
death struggle. Only the most courageous men and women can prepare
themselves to fight for revolution. There is a saying in Nepal that
&#39;a carried dog cannot hunt a deer.&#39;"

Think for a moment. The guerrillas started off small and up against the
brutal coercion of a regime backed by India and the U.S. How could the
Maoists have achieved their current military and political strength
without the genuine support and participation of thousands who believe
in the goals of the revolution and on this basis are willing to go into
battle and risk their lives?

There is video, photographs, and reports of massive Maoist rallies in
the countryside.3
<http://rwor.org/a/007/nepal-refutation-harpers-article.htm#footnote3>
Reporters who have been in Maoist-controlled areas have written about
the guerrillas organizing people to build roads, bridges, and schools.4
<http://rwor.org/a/007/nepal-refutation-harpers-article.htm#footnote4>
During the 2003 negotiations 30,000 people attended a Maoist rally in
Kathmandu.5
<http://rwor.org/a/007/nepal-refutation-harpers-article.htm#footnote5>And
the RNA has engaged in battles where they faced thousands of guerrilla
fighters. Can anyone seriously explain this as just "coercion"?

Most of the poor peasants in Nepal&#39;s countryside are illiterate and
uneducated-- but they are not stupid and childishly na


Tortured Arguments

Griswold quotes someone saying, "The Maoists torture roughly 60 percent
of those in their custody, but the army tortures 80 percent."6
<http://rwor.org/a/007/nepal-refutation-harpers-article.htm#footnote6>
She talks with a doctor at a center for "victims of Maoist torture" who
claims torture is increasing on both sides. She then writes, "His theory
was that local Maoists and government forces were engaged in a game of
one-upmanship over who could be more brutal. He cited the now familiar
torture statistics for the Maoists and the government." (Note how
Griswold gives a "now familiar" adjective to an unsubstantiated
statistic.) This passes for "theory" about a serious conflict-- that the
Maoists and RNA are having a contest over who can torture more?&#33;

The Maoist guerrillas, unlike the RNA, do not believe "the ends justify
the means." Their actions reflect their goal of bringing into being a
new consciousness among the people that will lead to building a society
aimed at getting rid of oppression and inequality.

One way this comes out is in how the Maoists treat prisoners of war in a
humane manner along the lines of the Geneva Convention. The PLA has
released many captured POWs in good health to the Red Cross or other
human rights organizations.7
<http://rwor.org/a/007/nepal-refutation-harpers-article.htm#footnote7>
RNA soldiers and police captured by the Maoists have told reporters that
while they had to listen to propaganda and were asked to join the
revolution, they were not harmed. They were warned that if they were
captured again, they would be severely punished, but they were given
money and food so that they could go back to their village instead of
returning to the RNA. This reflects the Maoists&#39; policy of politically
struggling with even those who are working with the government. I have
heard numerous stories about the rebels giving such people at least
three warnings, asking them to stop their counter-revolutionary
activity, before administering any punishment.

The Kathmandu Post , reporting on 18 captured police, said, "Their
release has a human ring about it. In fact the rebels had set them free
only after handing out sums ranging from Rs 800 and Rs 1500 as expenses
for their return journey... The freed hostages have said that the rebels
did not misbehave with them throughout the period they were under their
control. &#39;Don&#39;t involve in vile deeds. You would certainly have killed
had you taken us under your control,&#39; rebels have been quoted as saying.
They also had sent two of their cadre to guide the cops out safely."8
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Griswold paints a picture where "both sides" are killing innocent
people. But let&#39;s compare the policy and practice of the RNA and the
PLA. The vast majority of the 12,000 killed since the start of the war
have been civilians murdered by the Royal Army, along with suspected
revolutionaries also tortured and murdered. And like the U.S. policy,
from Vietnam to Fallujah, of "destroying the village to save the
village," the U.S.-trained RNA has carried out human rights abuses
against a wide swath of the population, killing thousands suspected of
"supporting the Maoists," which could mean simply providing food and
shelter for the guerrillas. Human rights organizations have documented
how the police and RNA have burned whole villages and rounded up,
tortured, murdered and jailed thousands of people. In 2003 and 2004,
Nepal recorded the highest number of new cases of disappearances by
security forces in the world.9
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On the other hand, the vast majority of people killed by the Maoists
have been police and soldiers in combat. When others, like informants,
have been targeted, this is because their actions have directly led to
Maoists and others being jailed or killed.

The CPN(M) is leading a mass armed revolution which is unleashing
thousands of poor, angry peasants. Their families were suffering and
dying under "normal times." And now, the RNA and police are carrying out
horrendous crimes against the people. When the people rise up against
their oppression it isn&#39;t "nice and neat" and leadership is necessary
for the struggle to go beyond bitter revenge. This is exactly what the
CPN(M) is providing. On several occasions, the Maoists have issued
criticisms of actions they felt were wrong and have even changed some
policies after being criticized.10
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An Argument for More Blood, More U.S. Intervention

Griswold quotes James Moriarty, the U.S. ambassador to Nepal, saying he
is "appalled by how easily they [the Maoists] move through the country,
how much terror they spread." And Griswold notes that "The United States
has placed the Maoists on the State Department&#39;s terrorist watch list,
one step below those groups that, in the ambassador&#39;s words, belong to
&#39;The Great War on Terrorism.&#39; " Moriarty says,

"It&#39;s not Islamic fundamentalism, obviously. but it is a very
fervent brand of Maoism that could cause great trouble in this area.
They&#39;ve said they&#39;re going to invade the United States. I&#39;m not too
worried about that, but you ignore what they say at your own peril.
You can&#39;t pooh-pooh the Maoists and the threat that they represent."

I find it ludicrous that I even have to refute this ridiculous claim
that the Maoists in Nepal have said they are going to invade the U.S.
And I actually think Moriarty and probably Griswold know this is a lie.
But this little lie is part of a bigger lie--that the Maoists in Nepal
are terrorists, so backing the regime in Nepal is part of the "war on
terror."

In 2002, Michael Malinowski, then U.S. ambassador to Nepal, stated that
the Maoists in Nepal are "fundamentally the same as the globally
recognized terrorists."11
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And the 2002 proposal by Bush for &#036;20 million in economic and military
aid to Nepal said, "We currently do not have direct evidence of an
al-Qaida presence in Nepal, but weak governance has already proved
inviting to terrorists, criminals and intelligence services from
surrounding countries."12
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The Maoists in Nepal have nothing in common with groups like al-Qaida,
but this has not stopped the U.S. from trying to fabricate some kind of
comparison or arguing that if the "terrorists" are not stopped in Nepal,
the country will become a "safe haven" for other terrorists.

Griswold goes on to fuel an argument for more U.S. military aid and
intervention. She interviews an RNA General and writes, "Peace, the
general thinks, will be forged only through more military spending,
particularly by the United States. &#39;More troops and better weapons will
reduce the loss of human life,&#39; he said. &#39;If we&#39;re weak, the Maoists
will keep fighting. Unless our American friends help us, the Maoist
problem may not be solved. Whether it&#39;s in the name of politics or
religion, terrorism is terrorism whether you like it or not.&#39; "

Here sits Griswold, talking to a general of an incredibly vicious army,
and she is not only totally uncritical of what he says, but actually
provides a forum for him to argue his case for even more weapons of
murder and torture&#33;

*****

So now, in the page of liberal Harper&#39;s, we&#39;ve come to this: From an
article that begins with a premise that "the masses are caught in the
middle" between "two evil" forces, we come to the conclusion: one side
should be crushed--the Maoists. These arguments in Griswold&#39;s article
are hardly original. They aim to convince people--including those who
might support such a liberation struggle--that while the government may
be bad, the Maoists are worse, so there is no other choice but to
support the regime. And they are an outright apology and justification
for the bloody U.S.-backed war against a genuine, mass struggle for
liberation in Nepal.

Li Onesto traveled deep into the guerrilla zones of Nepal in 1999 and is
the author of the book, Dispatches from the People&#39;s War in Nepal (Pluto
Press and Insight Press 2005), available from: Pluto Press,
www.plutobooks.com <http://www.plutobooks.com>; University of Michigan
Press, www.press.umich.edu <http://www.press.umich.edu>; Insight Press,
insight-press.com <http://insight-press.com>; amazon.com
<http://www.amazon.com>; Revolution Books stores and outlets. Go to
lionesto.net <http://www.lionesto.net> for photos, updates on news,
reviews, and speaking engagements.

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NOTES:

1. See: "The people&#39;s War in Nepal: Taking the Strategic Offensive," A
World To Win , #31, 2005

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2. Under a state of emergency declared in November 2001, Maoist
newspapers were raided and closed down, their staffs arrested. Editors
and writers in the mainstream press were interrogated for simply quoting
Maoist leaders in their publications. In the first nine months, 130
journalists were taken into custody. When King Gyanendra suspended
parliament and grabbed total power again on February 1, 2005, soldiers
were literally sent into newspaper offices to "edit" articles before
they went to press.

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3. The DVD "Eight Glorious Years of Nepalese People&#39;s War" is available
from BM BOX 7970, London, WC1N- 3XX, England or e-mail
[email protected] <mailto://[email protected]>

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4. Reuters News Service, "Amid war, Nepal rebels build road to win
hearts," March 2005.

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5. BBC News, April 3, 2003.

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6. An article in the Kathmandu Post (September 20, 2004) on the report
by the Center for Victims of Torture reported different statistics
saying, said, "In recent years, almost 60 percent of the people detained
by the state, and 40 percent of those abducted by the Maoists have been
physically tortured, inflicting a serious psychological blow on them
besides causing them physical damage."

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7. See International Committee of the Red Cross Web page
http://icrc.org/eng <http://www.icrc.org/eng>

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8. Kathmandu Post , November 26, 2002, "Freed cops say weapons let them
down."

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9. Human Rights Watch report: "Clear Culpability --Disappearances by
Security Forces in Nepal" available at: hrw.org/reports/2005/nepal0205
<http://www.hrw.org/reports/2005/nepal0205>

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10. See: "Nepal Rebels &#39;regret&#39; bus deaths, launch probe," Reuters, June
7, 2005; "Nepal: Maoists offer self criticism after bus bombing,"
AWTWNS, June 13, 2005; and Dispatches from the People&#39;s War in Nepal by
Li Onesto, the section on "Revolutionary Policies," pages 121-124.

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11. Indiatimes news online, February 26, 2002.

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12. FY 2002 Foreign Operations Emergency Supplemental Funding
justifications available at
http://www.fas.org/asmp/profiles/aid/aidindex.htm

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Forward Union
21st June 2005, 11:38
Well, I just sat down and read the whole bloody thing now I only have 20 mins until I have to go out&#33;

But yea, I&#39;ll be much more open minded about this now. One thing that&#39;s interesting is that, even independent media seem to look at this conflict in a bad way, corporate media just seems to ignore it.

I generally don&#39;t like Maoism, and thus, I do not sympathise with the Maoists. I do not agree with the idea of continued revolution after obtaining power. But I admire them for standing up to capitalism, and taking action instead of doing nothing. Although, I would like to see an article on what China thinks of this struggle, they still consider themselves Maoist, but clearly, a revolutionary government would not be in their interests.

hmm. Well, thanks for getting this article, for me it, was in interesting read. I may dig up that old article I was referring to earlier and post it if you want&#33;

Red Heretic
22nd June 2005, 05:18
The Chinese state turned from the socialist path in 1976, when there was a coup led by Deng Xaioping to murder the communist revolutionaries in the party. They currently refer to Maoists as "Left-Deviationists." The current regime of China is referred to by Maoists as revisionist, meaning communist in name, capitalist in nature.

The Chinese state is opposing the revolution, and endorsing the King of Nepal.

Enragé
22nd June 2005, 11:55
the chinese state was never socialist. It has always been a degenerate workersstate, turning to state-capitalist after 1976

Red Heretic
22nd June 2005, 22:32
Would you like to back up that dogma?

Enragé
22nd June 2005, 22:36
when has the chinese people ever been in power?? Before 1976 it was MAO, after it the fascist/state capitalists.