Exfinity

[Forward Union]

Infinity is such a strange concept.

Not quite as strange as Negative Infinity, or exfinity. As in, the mathematical opposite to infinity, its not even understandable in a hypothetical state, and thus there is no real literature on it.

The opposite of infinity isn't finity, in the same way that the opposite matter isn't a vacuume or a lack of matter; its antimatter. Negative Infinity isn't just infinity in -1 -2 etc, because that is still infinity, applied to a different set of symbols. Minus infinity would be the opposite of an ongoing algebraic structure, so an inverse ongoing algebraic structure? who could possible work such a thing out.

It makes looking at infinity seem philosophically pathetic.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Someone's been reading too much Terry Pratchett.

[Sa'd al-Bari]

Infinity is indeed a very strange concept; in fact the validity of something being labeled “infinite” in many cases is disputable. It is also important to remember that infinity has different applications in various fields, such as philosophy, mathematics, and physics.

Exfinity? I’ve never heard of anything about it whatsoever, and upon searching on the subject I turned up absolutely nothing.


Minus infinity would be the opposite of an ongoing algebraic structure, so an inverse ongoing algebraic structure? who could possible work such a thing out.
That Exfinity would imply such a thing may be debatable, as many concepts are debatable. I most certainly would not be able to work anything of the sort out. I don’t know of anybody working on such a concept either.

[ComradeChris]

How mathematically would you create this exfinity? And what purpose would it serve?

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2005, 02:25 AM
How mathematically would you create this exfinity? And what purpose would it serve?
I have no idea how to start on such a formula, and what purpose? well im not, sure, I was just pondering this concept and got a bit spaced out

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Exfinite = 0

Finite = 1

Infinite = 111111111... (Keep going forever)

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2005, 12:22 PM
Exfinite = 0

Finite = 1

Infinite = 111111111... (Keep going forever)
Practically, 0 is considered as a finite quantity that has been exhausted.

[ComradeChris]

Originally posted by Anarcho Rebel+Jun 5 2005, 11:35 AM--> (Anarcho Rebel @ Jun 5 2005, 11:35 AM)
[email protected] 5 2005, 12:22 PM
Exfinite = 0

Finite = 1

Infinite = 111111111... (Keep going forever)
Practically, 0 is considered as a finite quantity that has been exhausted. [/b]
I thought this exfinite thing was supposed to be just negative infinity. To make infinity you can divide anything by 0: 1/0 = infinity. But would -1/0 be exfinity? I mean that would contradict any math lesson I've ever had :lol: . That of course being, anything divided by 0 is infinity.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2005, 04:00 PM
I thought this exfinite thing was supposed to be just negative infinity.
That's still infinity. I mean an inverted form of foreverness, so a concept that is yet to become finite...

[ComradeChris]

Originally posted by Anarcho Rebel+Jun 5 2005, 12:30 PM--> (Anarcho Rebel @ Jun 5 2005, 12:30 PM)
[email protected] 5 2005, 04:00 PM
I thought this exfinite thing was supposed to be just negative infinity.
That's still infinity. I mean an inverted form of foreverness, so a concept that is yet to become finite... [/b]
Oh I'm sorry. :unsure: Then I have no clue :lol: .

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Originally posted by Anarcho Rebel+Jun 5 2005, 03:35 PM--> (Anarcho Rebel @ Jun 5 2005, 03:35 PM)
[email protected] 5 2005, 12:22 PM
Exfinite = 0

Finite = 1

Infinite = 111111111... (Keep going forever)
Practically, 0 is considered as a finite quantity that has been exhausted. [/b]
Not really. If I stated that there are no burger joints in Antarctica (Just using an example here) and this statement was verified, the number of burger joints in antarctica could be safely stated as 0 = Exfinity.

No burger joints have been knocked down or other wise removed, there never were any, but the amount is still zero.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2005, 05:43 AM
Not really. If I stated that there are no burger joints in Antarctica (Just using an example here) and this statement was verified, the number of burger joints in antarctica could be safely stated as 0 = Exfinity.

No burger joints have been knocked down or other wise removed, there never were any, but the amount is still zero.
When there is a quantity of mass this is refereed to as a Finite quantity, for example, there are 9 planets orbiting the sun. If there are no planets orbiting the sun, there is no relevant matter. Thus we have a 0 quantity of matter. but the opposite of matter isn't a vacuume, its ANTI matter which requires a different set of rules (exfinity)

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

When there is a quantity of mass this is refereed to as a Finite quantity, for example, there are 9 planets orbiting the sun. If there are no planets orbiting the sun, there is no relevant matter. Thus we have a 0 quantity of matter. but the opposite of matter isn't a vacuume, its ANTI matter which requires a different set of rules (exfinity)

Antimatter doesn't need a new set of rules governing it's quantity. An exfinite amount of antimatter as you describe it would simply be an infinite amount under a new name.

Antimatter is still the presence of something. Vacuum is nothing apart from the vanishingly small amounts of activity which occur below the Planck level.

Exfinity = 0

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2005, 10:19 AM
Antimatter doesn't need a new set of rules governing it's quantity. An exfinite amount of antimatter as you describe it would simply be an infinite amount under a new name.

That's what I was trying to explain, the difference between infinity under a different name, and exfinity.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

So how do you define exfinity?

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2005, 11:22 AM
So how do you define exfinity?
Well, in all honesty, I can't, I was hoping people would grasp what I was refering to...anyway Im gettign a bit spaced out...

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I think exfinity is best defined as complete and utter nothingness - you go down past atoms, then protons and neutrons, then quarks, then elementary particles, finally you reach the Planck Boundary, beyond which lies exfinity...

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2005, 07:49 PM
I think exfinity is best defined as complete and utter nothingness - you go down past atoms, then protons and neutrons, then quarks, then elementary particles, finally you reach the Planck Boundary, beyond which lies exfinity...
exactly! its beyond nothingness!

[Don't Change Your Name]

Exfinity = non-existance?
Or maybe it refers to something whose existance on any way is impossible.
Wouldn't it be easier to assume that exfinity is impossible?

God is exfinite :D

[codyvo]

Some of this stuff is hard to understand but it is all true. It somewhat reminds me of anti-matter, it isn't nothing, it is the opposite of matter, preety cool. Some scientists believe that human brains are not made to understand these type of concepts well, like the concept that space is literally never ending. Human brains naturally think of things as usually having a beginning and an end, but we know that's not true, look at the song that never ends.

[apathy maybe]

Exfinty is a sphere.

Not only that the universe is a sphere as well. Thus exfinity and the universe are the same thing!

Look at it this way, the universe is not infinite right? Therefore it must be finite right? However, the universe is the totality of matter and energy in existence (everything) right? That means that nothing exists outside the universe. That means the universe must be infinite. But it isn't! Thus the universe is exfinite, quod erat demonstrandum.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by Apathy [email protected] 9 2005, 01:45 AM
Look at it this way, the universe is not infinite right? Therefore it must be finite right? However, the universe is the totality of matter and energy in existence (everything) right? That means that nothing exists outside the universe. That means the universe must be infinite. But it isn't! Thus the universe is exfinite, quod erat demonstrandum.
That actually makes a lot of sense, although I put some faith in there being other universes in the multiverse.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Exfinty is a sphere.

Exfinity is a mathematical construct without any sort of shape, just like infinity.


Not only that the universe is a sphere as well.

Prove it. the only thing we know for certain about the shape of the universe is that it's curved in on itself. If it was possible to go fast enough before the heat death of the universe, one could go for a loooong time in a straight line and end up exactly where they started.


Look at it this way, the universe is not infinite right? Therefore it must be finite right? However, the universe is the totality of matter and energy in existence (everything) right?

Correct assumptions...


That means that nothing exists outside the universe.

Incorrect assumption. There is no 'outside' of the universe, it contains everything.

That's why it's curved in on itself.


That means the universe must be infinite. But it isn't! Thus the universe is exfinite, quod erat demonstrandum.

Incorrect conclusion based on a flawed assumption.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2005, 11:33 AM
Incorrect conclusion based on a flawed assumption.
Prove it :P

[Clarksist]

So much can be explained in mathematics, without really understanding it. Trying to figure out what the other 7+ dimensions are is mind boggling, but it mathematics it is simple to explain new sets of dimensions.

The only thing I've ever heard about exfinity (although I don't think they called it that) is that it is impossible in a material universe, but in a mathematical universe you coulde explain it, and thus through computer simulations we could see a simulation of exfinity. But I don't know where the project has gone.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Prove it :P

I just did, you dimp!

[apathy maybe]

Proof with alleged incorrect assumption removed. (You can't prove that there is no outside to the universe. Have you ever seen the game of life? There are two varients, one where things that go off the board disapear, the other where the board wraps around itself. Imagine the universe as the second one. Now where is the outside? But you can't deny that there exists something that is not the game of life.)

Exfinity and the universe are the same thing.
Look at it this way, the universe is not infinite right? Therefore it must be finite right? However, the universe is the totality of matter and energy in existence (everything) right? That means the universe must be infinite. But it isn't! Thus the universe is exfinite, quod erat demonstrandum.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Proof with alleged incorrect assumption removed. (You can't prove that there is no outside to the universe. Have you ever seen the game of life? There are two varients, one where things that go off the board disapear, the other where the board wraps around itself. Imagine the universe as the second one. Now where is the outside? But you can't deny that there exists something that is not the game of life.)

Look here, by definition the universe contains all that exists. This means that the universe cannot be infinite, as current cosmological theories rule that out.
So the universe if FINITE. You got that?


However, the universe is the totality of matter and energy in existence (everything) right? That means the universe must be infinite.

Here is where your logic falls down. The totality of matter and energy in the universe a finite quanitity, because the universe itself is finite. The universe cannot be infinite because in order to become infinite, the light barrier must have been broken and sorry, you can't do that.
The universe is finite. The universe contains the totality of matter and energy. Therefore, the totality of matter and energy must be finite.

The universe is a finite space curved into itself. the reason it is curved into itself it because there is no 'outside'

You are saying that 1 = 111111...... and mathematically, that's bunk.

I'm sorry, but the universe is not exfinity. It is a finite space curved into itself.

[Vallegrande]

Prove that the statement is true by induction. :lol:

It may work if you know what to use.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2005, 05:15 AM
Prove that the statement is true by induction. :lol:

It may work if you know what to use.
Don't dodge. I'm working with known facts about the universe, and you are playing fast and loose with semantics.

[Vallegrande]

Dodge what? I was just making a brain fart as many of us here dont know anyways what or how to do it.

The only reason I brought induction in was because I just had to do a shitload of it last term in my trig class.