Do communist dislike the religion

[el nicaraguense]

I always be tell that communist no like the religion so i confuse and thought i ask.

[More Fire for the People]

In short: yes.
Why, because Redstar said so.

[bunk]

Practice what you want personally i think... But i am opposed to organized religion practice.

Also, this is very similar to the thread you made in philosophy.

[slim]

Doesnt communism also preach individualism? I beleve that religion is okay as long as it doesnt interfere with politics, logic and practicality.

[El_Revolucionario]

fuck redstar.

I have no problem with honest religious people as long as they don't preach to people or be hateful. Religious people can be socialists. I'm atheist by the way.

Welcome to RevLeft El Nicuaraguense!

[More Fire for the People]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 01:05 PM
fuck redstar.

I have no problem with honest religious people as long as they don't preach to people or be hateful. Religious people can be socialists. I'm atheist by the way.

Welcome to RevLeft El Nicuaraguense!
No your wrong, because religion is supporting reactionaries.
You cannot be a socialist and support reactionaries.

[El_Revolucionario]

Originally posted by Rotmutter+Jun 4 2005, 07:06 PM--> (Rotmutter @ Jun 4 2005, 07:06 PM)
[email protected] 4 2005, 01:05 PM
fuck redstar.

I have no problem with honest religious people as long as they don't preach to people or be hateful. Religious people can be socialists. I'm atheist by the way.

Welcome to RevLeft El Nicuaraguense!
No your wrong, because religion is supporting reactionaries.
You cannot be a socialist and support reactionaries. [/b]
Not all religious people are reactionaries.

[slim]

Im religious and im on your side of the fence.

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Originally posted by El_Revolucionario+Jun 4 2005, 01:09 PM--> (El_Revolucionario @ Jun 4 2005, 01:09 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 07:06 PM

[email protected] 4 2005, 01:05 PM
fuck redstar.

I have no problem with honest religious people as long as they don't preach to people or be hateful. Religious people can be socialists. I'm atheist by the way.

Welcome to RevLeft El Nicuaraguense!
No your wrong, because religion is supporting reactionaries.
You cannot be a socialist and support reactionaries.
Not all religious people are reactionaries. [/b]
Regardless if your a reactionary or not, if your practicing religion then your support reactionaries..

[LuZhiming]

Communists are against all religions except the religion of Communism/Marxism. Communism has its "Iron Laws of History" prophecies, it not only offers principles and theories on the future but it preaches ways to live and think, it has its special "terms" which are given special faith-based meaning(bourgeoisie, proletariat, words that are used constantly by people who hardly know what they mean), and to be a follower of this theory you have to have faith in it. To be a Communist is to accept that events Marx prophecizes will in some way or another happen. That is faith, and Marxism is organized faith, also known as a religion.


Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 07:05 PM
Doesnt communism also preach individualism? I beleve that religion is okay as long as it doesnt interfere with politics, logic and practicality.

Well, Marx seemed to feel it did. And of course he was right. Having faith in things does lead to such results, that's partly why people have done so many crazy things in the name of religion. How can you be religious and not let it interfere with logic? That statement does not make sense. Religion is defined by faith, faith is itself a giant interference with logic. There's nothing logical about faith. The only problem was that Marx didn't seem to realize he contradicted himself by making his own new religion for people to have faith in.

[More Fire for the People]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 01:12 PM
Communists are against all religions except the religion of Communism/Marxism. Communism has its "Iron Laws of History" prophecies, it not only offers principles and theories on the future but it preaches ways to live and think, it has its special "terms" which are given special faith-based meaning(bourgeoisie, proletariat, words that are used constantly by people who hardly know what they mean), and to be a follower of this theory you have to have faith in it. To be a Communist is to accept that events Marx prophecizes will in some way or another happen. That is faith, and Marxism is organized faith, also known as a religion.
Why aren't you restricted?

[LuZhiming]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 07:13 PM
Why aren't you restricted?
Due to numerous problems, I haven't been here in a while. I don't think I ever articulated this opinion, so if it would get me restricted, that's why it hasn't happened yet. In my defense though, if, for example, Noam Chomsky were to post at this board, he would have to be restricted on similar grounds(He has and does call Communism a religion). My reasons to object to being a Communist are based fully on old leftist principles. I oppose faith, as it is dangerous, humans should base their feelings on such matters on rationality and personal experience, not this "faith" garbage.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

I agree with LuZhiming. Rationality is more important than faith.

If people want to be religious, I accept it, but I generally don't like it. If they are not part of mainstream religions, then I might be more acceptable than normally.

I hate Islam, somewhat accepting to Christianity, somewhat more accepting to Buddhism and Wicca.

[More Fire for the People]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 01:37 PM
I agree with LuZhiming. Rationality is more important than faith.

If people want to be religious, I accept it, but I generally don't like it. If they are not part of mainstream religions, then I might be more acceptable than normally.

I hate Islam, somewhat accepting to Christianity, somewhat more accepting to Buddhism and Wicca.
I am actually in total agreement with you, I was just saving redstar the task of posting the same old rhetoric.

I felt like spicing things up and scaring a newbie =D

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by LuZhiming+--> (LuZhiming)To be a Communist is to accept that events Marx prophecizes will in some way or another happen. That is faith, and Marxism is organized faith, also known as a religion.[/b]

Word-play.

Is Marxism a "Religion"? (http://www.redstar2000papers.com/theory.php?subaction=showfull&id=1101735552&archive=&cnshow=headlines&start_from=&ucat=&)


Rotmutter
In short: yes.

Why, because Redstar said so.

I'm always appreciative of praise for my modest efforts...but that's laying it on a little thick. :lol:

You should have at least suggested where I said so and why...

Communists and Religion -- Part 12 (http://www.redstar2000papers.com/theory.php?subaction=showfull&id=1116872592&archive=&cnshow=headlines&start_from=&ucat=&)

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[LuZhiming]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 11:44 PM
Word-play.

Is Marxism a "Religion"? (http://www.redstar2000papers.com/theory.php?subaction=showfull&id=1101735552&archive=&cnshow=headlines&start_from=&ucat=&)
I read the whole page, and must say, most of what you say in there is true, but I don't see anything that disproves the claim that Marxism is based on faith. An example? Marx claims that primitive man lived in a state of true happiness prior to the division of labor. This is nothing but an assumption by Marx. He bases quite a lot of his theory on human history and its meaning and relation to labor, creating a faith. But the main reason I think Marxism is a religion is because it was created based on the assumption(faith) that history is of value because its course is clearly plotted.

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by LuZhiming
Marx claims that primitive man lived in a state of true happiness prior to the division of labor.

Where does this come from? Sounds more like Rousseau than Marx.

In any event, how would anyone go about measuring "true happiness" for pre-literate savages?

What Marx actually said was probably something along the lines of: exploitation of one class by another was not possible prior to the division of labor -- since everyone had more or less equal access to the primitive means of production.

Nothing about "true happiness" there.


But the main reason I think Marxism is a religion is because it was created based on the assumption (faith) that history is of value because its course is clearly plotted.

Well, "clearly plotted" is a bit strong, but I understand what you're getting it.

Are There "Laws" of History? (http://redstar2000papers.com/theory.php?subaction=showfull&id=1082851437&archive=&cnshow=headlines&start_from=&ucat=&)

What it gets down to is the question of whether or not history is ultimately "random", even "chaotic", or if there is "order" in history that can be discovered through investigation.

Marx and Engels thought there was...and so do I.

But whether one thinks Marx, et.al. are right or wrong, it seems pretty clear that their methods were not religious ones.

They were interested in how things actually happened...and did not trouble themselves with supernatural considerations.

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