Anti Communist Manifesto

[Social Greenman]

An atta boy to anyone who can refute this piece of literature.

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/Marxism.html

I would appreciate the help on this since I am suffering from pneumonia.

[Socialistpenguin]

Originally posted by Social [email protected] 4 2005, 05:40 PM
An atta boy to anyone who can refute this piece of literature.

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/Marxism.html

I would appreciate the help on this since I am suffering from pneumonia.
My advice to you would be to track the guy down and beat him with a large stick: you'll atain a lot more. ;)

But seriously, when the guy says, "it assumes humans will play by rules which are against their nature", reply "how would you know about human nature? Do you equate greed and capitalism to human nature?" If he replies yes, tell him to research the Paris Commune. I've tried this with another capitalist, and the best he could come up with "oh, but that was a long time ago". It's a very effective arguement I've found. It could probably be applied to most of the bullshit that he has on that page.

Also:

"The immediate aim of the Communists is the same as that of all other proletarian parties: Formation of the proletariat into a class, overthrow of the bourgeois supremacy, conquest of political power by the proletariat." Ludicrous fantasy. An entire social class cannot seize power. Instead, it can only appoint representatives to take that power.

Laugh and then beat him with the stick again. Again, refer to the Paris Commune. If he refutes that say "What experience do you have with social classes rising? Do you deny that the bourgeois revolution to replace feudalism with capitalism took place?"


"Abolition of the family! Even the most radical flare up at this infamous proposal of the Communists." As well they should. It is a disgusting concept! Karl Marx believed that the family structure was inherently exploitative, with capitalists treating their wives and children as property and bequeathing their accumulated assets to their children (he saw the concept of inheritance as a horrible evil). His solution? Children should be raised by the state, marriage and inheritance should be eliminated, and noncommital sex should be the only form of relationship. The man was a lunatic, and most people don't even have any idea how extreme and unrealistic some of his views were, because they've never bothered to read his Manifesto.

Ask him, WHERE in ANY Communist text does it say that the children should be raised by the state? Marx believed that child labour and prostitution(sp?) were vile evils of capitalism, he believed they NEEDED TO BE DESTROYED in the proletarian revolution. Marx had a familly of himself. And when this guy reduces to petty insults, laugh and again beat him with the stick (he'll get the message soon enough). He is also very oppurtunistic, quoting this small line, without referring to the rest of the text.

Also, when he says the state wil confiscate your property, refer him to "personal property".

I would post more, but I'm too busy laughing my ass off at this fool. (Mental note: Buy bigger stick).

[workersunity]

ill look it over, im sorry John hope everyone gets well soon

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Star Trek Economics (http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/Trek-Marxism.html)

Wherein the same author claims that the Federation is communist. Somebody needs to write a good answer to that particular piece of capitalist short-sightedness.

[anomaly]

Are those quotes really written in this 'manifesto'? That's just ridiculous.

Let me have my hand at refuting a few of those stupid points, from the quotes given by penguin:
1. human nature
Human nature, so says the capitalists, tends toward individualism. Yet capitalism then would contradict human nature. In capitalism, a majority is always ruled by a tiny minority, that much is clear. That means that the individual needs of people of this lower class are placed below the individual needs of people of this minority higher class. If huiman nature is individualistic, capitalism could not exist. The only human nature that capitalism uses is the human nature to obey. If that truly is human nature, to obey, then all we need is strong socialist leadership. But the whole 'human nature' bullshit is jsut that: bullshit.

2. 'formation of the proletariat into a class' - It already is a class. And society in the world can easily be divided into two classes, and there is much evidence that in rich soiceties where a definite middle class does exist, most of the middle class is funneling downward, to the proletariat class. There are divisions, certainly, within each class, but there are still two classes: proletariat and bourgeoisie. No one wishes to 'create' a class, that's impossible. Rather, this is an example of capitalists fearing the 'class war', because such an argument immediately leads on to think of socialism.

[infoterror]

Human nature varies with the individual

[KptnKrill]

I actually really liked that :)
Some of those quotes show just how inherently statist so-called "scientific" marxism is.

[NovelGentry]

Shit responses built on a shit understanding.

[American_Trotskyist]

Shit responses built on a shit understanding.

Agreed.

Human nature doesn't exist. Look at this,

Some FAQ About Marxism (http://www.newyouth.com/archives/theory/marxismfaq.asp)

Why does everyone think the Manifesto is the key to Marxism? Does every college student believe after reading 48 pages of out-dated literature that they are qualified to teach Marxism? People take arguements that are 150 years old and try to discredit them. Read some up to date literature.