I went to McDonalds

[resisting arrest with violence]

Well I left the house and was out in public and I had to go so bad!!!! So I went to McDonalds--- not to eat their shit but to take one of the meanest, mushroom-cloud-laying shits in all my life. I felt so good afterwards----like if it was a catharsis. I think I blew up their toilet. ^_^ That's all McDonalds is good for---- a good Port'o'Let for society.

[More Fire for the People]

Right... why didn't you bring flyers with you to distribute to the masses after you had relequished the food you digested that you probably bought as some corporate business?

[resisting arrest with violence]

Actually the food was from the other night which I bought at a Mom and Pop restaurant.

[More Fire for the People]

Good work comrade, but what about the flyers?

[Guest]

You can't convert those people at McDonalds especially when they eat their huge burgers and fries. They take offence at someone ruining their meal with bad news flyers. Wouldn't you? If you were eating and then someone passed you a flyer detailing all the exploitation McDonalds resorts to to maximize profit and the ill-effects their food produces on the human body.

[Che1990]

True but attacking the consumers themselves actually on McDonald's premises is bound to have an effect.

[Guerrilla22]

I've tried to convert people in the Wal Mart parking lot before, wal Mart called the police on my ass.

[slim]

Originally posted by resisting arrest with [email protected] 4 2005, 03:25 PM
I went to McDonalds
It must have been terrible lol.

[slim]

My local McDonalds in England, Chatham to be exact is occupied by the foul legions of chav. We must convert these people to "leftism".

[Socialistpenguin]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 06:18 PM
My local McDonalds in England, Chatham to be exact is occupied by the foul legions of chav. We must convert these people to "leftism".
You know, I've often wondered if the chav would be considered a member of the working class: but then I thought "Wait a minute, they'd have to work first!"

Peter Mandelson, a detestable piece of scum, who uncannily keeps popping up, first brought about the notions of an underclass. To an extent, I agree with this.

We have been looking at the class system all wrong. Instead of:
Upper-class (Bourgeois)
Middle-Class (Petty-Bourgeois)
Working-Class (Proletariat)

It should be:
Upper-class (Bourgeois)
Middle-Class (Petty-Bourgeois)
Working-Class (Proletariat)
Underclass (Chavois/Chavatariat)

[slim]

Society has always needed an underclass to use as scapegoats. In communism and "stuff" the unemplyed count as the working class:(

[Socialistpenguin]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 06:50 PM
Society has always needed an underclass to use as scapegoats. In communism and "stuff" the unemplyed count as the working class:(
Bugger. But my theory still stands.

[Jersey Devil]

This is retarded.

[slim]

OKay, so we've been criticised for a petty conversation of McDonalds,

Lets push the argument elsewhere,

Have you ever thought that the music they play is some sort of capitalist plot to numb the minds of decent citizens into drones of capitalism? I found myself sitting there listening to it for twenty minutes doing nothing. Im so ashamed but luckily my leftist ideals saved me.

[Donnie]

Good good. My mate who is not political at all had to go through the drive threw of Mcdonalds with me in the car (with me sulking in the back muttering under my breath "capitalist exploitation"). Well if Mcdonalds were going to exploit my mate they i had to get my own back at Mcdonalds, so what i did was when the guy laid the drink out on the counter of the drive threw while he got my mates burger i nicked the drink (my mate was like "wa") and i said shh and the guy came back with a puzzled look on his face and the guy serving my mate said "did i give you my drink" (by this time my mate had cottened on) and he replied "No" so the guy made my mate a fresh drink.
Of course now we had 2 drinks for the price of one and so when my mate drove off i chucked the other drink away in a bin, i mean i'm not going to drink that filth!!!!

I havn't been to Mcdonalds since i was 11 and i prefer to stay away from such filth.

[BOZG]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 06:44 PM
Peter Mandelson, a detestable piece of scum, who uncannily keeps popping up, first brought about the notions of an underclass. To an extent, I agree with this.

We have been looking at the class system all wrong. Instead of:
Upper-class (Bourgeois)
Middle-Class (Petty-Bourgeois)
Working-Class (Proletariat)

It should be:
Upper-class (Bourgeois)
Middle-Class (Petty-Bourgeois)
Working-Class (Proletariat)
Underclass (Chavois/Chavatariat)
Marx and Marxists have talked about an 'underclass' for the past century and a half and possibly other political philosophers before that. The lumpenproletariat (http://www.marxists.org/glossary/terms/l/u.htm) are that underclass.

[BOZG]

Guess what, I like McDonalds. It tastes good, it's cheap and it's fast.

[Entrails Konfetti]

As for the social-class thing,I look at it as this :

The top gun corporate officials,lawyers,doctors -Bourgeois

Middle-class who are store managers,independant business people- petty Bourgeosie ,This also depends on income.
For example the local Cuban-deli owner io my town,is just "hanging in there".

Middle-class who make no profit,middle-management at fast food chains,working classes,blue collar workers,minimum wage earners- proletariat, This is a very broad class.Alot,of people are proletariat but, do not realize it or wish to ignore it.

Homeless,unemployed-lumpenproletariat

To me its really a question of income and making profit.


As for Mickey Dee's,I boycott fast-food because I don't belive in minimum wage,its not livable.Also fast food chains drive out mom and pop resturants.

But, there is a popular rebutle on Mickey Dees,what about the Ronald McDonald house,they help out low income families with sick kids? Whats your reply to that ?

[bed_of_nails]

Taking a shit has become revolutionary business it seems.

[Hegemonicretribution]

McDononalds is fairly evil, but even if it gave every penny to some almighty fund (not a small amount to the Ronald McDonald trust) then I couldn't bring it anywhere near my mouth.

I know what the drive through thing is like, When I was 16 I jst held my copy of No Logo to the window. Now I don't even bother with that or swearing. The employees there aren't greatly treated either. Many work there for a reason, often when no one else would have them. Having worked in catering and bars I know these things can be hard. I work for a manx brewery, and am entitled to nothing, I do sell several products I don't drink, but I don't force my beliefs on anyone. Messing up the toilets will only mean that some guy on £5 an hour will end up getting dicked to do it, probably the token special needs one.

There are better ways to do things, supersize me had a decent impact, and that is about as far as it can be taken and work, if you act like a pain in the ass (albeit for a good cause), you will only get seen as a pain in the ass (cause forgotten).

Saying this I did take a shit on McDonalds. Actually on the outside when drunk, fuck I felt I was symbolising something at the time but I wouldn't do it again.

[Vanguard1917]

Boycotting McD's burgers is not going to have much benefit for the workers that are exploited there. The commodity that we should be boycotting is our labour power - i.e. STRIKE.

In the realm of consumption we are atomised, powerless individuals. On the other hand, in the realm of production, the working class can be a mighty, organised, revolutionary force. Remember, it is the defenders of capitalism that tell us that we are powerful consumers in capitalist society (i.e. that we can shape capitalist production around our own interests by the products that we choose to pick up at the supermarket)- which is, of course, a total myth.

[Hegemonicretribution]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2005, 04:41 AM
Boycotting McD's burgers is not going to have much benefit for the workers that are exploited there. The commodity that we should be boycotting is our labour power - i.e. STRIKE.

In the realm of consumption we are atomised, powerless individuals. On the other hand, in the realm of production, the working class can be a mighty, organised, revolutionary force. Remember, it is the defenders of capitalism that tell us that we are powerful consumers in capitalist society (i.e. that we can shape capitalist production around our own interests by the products that we choose to pick up at the supermarket)- which is, of course, a total myth.
You are right, the workers won't benifit from a strike, but there are good reasons to boycott other than that, check the boycott thread in this forum.

Whilst capitalism is flawed and wrong, consumers DO have an effect. Individually consumer awareness does nothing, except perhaps increase the level of others consumer awareness. However when if a large proportion of a consumer base endured a paradigm shift, away from what was offered, then suppliers will change to meet the demand. Either that or (shock horror) suffer a cut in profit.

Vegetarian options appeared with the rse of vegetarianism. After GM food became commonplace, specialised organic foods were made available. Companies sometimes missed parent companies off labels, to hide their roots from anti-global minded boycotters.

I would find it very difficult to change anything although "we" can.

[Hiero]

Boycot McDonals for the obvious reason, their food taste shit.

I only eat there sometimes on the way to uni in the morning.

[C_Rasmussen]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2005, 01:13 AM
Guess what, I like McDonalds. It tastes good, it's cheap and it's fast.
I agree it does taste pretty damn good :). I highly doubt that the music that they play in McDonalds is a weapon to get everyone that visits there to be a part of their "evil capitalist plan". Seriously you people are too fuckin paranoid. To be very honest you guys are going to get arrested if you go there, hand out flyers, and don't leave when they tell you too. In the worst case scenario you are going to try to convert the wrong person and they will take it into their own hands. Have any of you thought these things through?

[Free Spirit]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2005, 01:28 PM
Boycot McDonals for the obvious reason, their food taste shit.

I only eat there sometimes on the way to uni in the morning.
What about boycotting because of turning commercialism towards children?
<_<

[BOZG]

As opposed to the turning away of commericalism towards children of any other company?

[Hegemonicretribution]

Originally posted by Free Spirit+Jun 5 2005, 02:05 PM--> (Free Spirit @ Jun 5 2005, 02:05 PM)
[email protected] 5 2005, 01:28 PM
Boycot McDonals for the obvious reason, their food taste shit.

I only eat there sometimes on the way to uni in the morning.
What about boycotting because of turning commercialism towards children?
<_< [/b]
This is a good point, toys and playparks. The hapy family place as is learned from 3 or 4 years old. Attended at parties up until puberty and depended upon, in some cases, as a staple diet through teenage yearsand even into adult hood. They are not stupid, just not morally sound.


I agree C_Rasmussen that fliers and all are of little relevance. People have always had the ability to ay attention, some have many haven&#39;t. However I do not think that we are too paranoid, subliminal messaging has been used before remember? Although you say it tastes good (personal preference) it isn&#39;t good. There are other options, and if you disagree with any of the major issues that people that avoid the place do, then you are being either hypocritical, or lazy. Lazy is accepted as everyone is to some extent, and hypocrisy exists too, but if you don&#39;t disagree I am just wondering why you are on a leftst site. I am sure it is possible to be, but I don&#39;t know many people that advocate the further addition of McDonalds to town centres and schools, whilst supporting leftist ideas.

Are you against: deforistation, worker mistreatment, specifically targetting advertisement at young children, combining this with poor nutrition, increased methane emmisions, actually it would be quicker to say what is good about McDonalds. Just a little point though.

[BOZG]

Yes I am against these things but boycotting is not going to change anything unless it happens on a mass scale. Vanguard already made the point clear about consumerism and strike power and I&#39;m in agreement with them. If we boycotted every company that was involved in some way in the points you made above, I&#39;d be naked, starving and sleeping in a field.

[El_Revolucionario]

Don&#39;t eat at McDonald&#39;s or any other fast food place for one reason: The food sucks and it&#39;s terribly unhealthy.

[BOZG]

I like the taste of the food and I don&#39;t care about my health.

[C_Rasmussen]

Originally posted by Hegemonicretribution+Jun 5 2005, 02:22 PM--> (Hegemonicretribution @ Jun 5 2005, 02:22 PM)
Originally posted by Free [email protected] 5 2005, 02:05 PM

[email protected] 5 2005, 01:28 PM
Boycot McDonals for the obvious reason, their food taste shit.

I only eat there sometimes on the way to uni in the morning.
What about boycotting because of turning commercialism towards children?
<_<
This is a good point, toys and playparks. The hapy family place as is learned from 3 or 4 years old. Attended at parties up until puberty and depended upon, in some cases, as a staple diet through teenage yearsand even into adult hood. They are not stupid, just not morally sound.


I agree C_Rasmussen that fliers and all are of little relevance. People have always had the ability to ay attention, some have many haven&#39;t. However I do not think that we are too paranoid, subliminal messaging has been used before remember? Although you say it tastes good (personal preference) it isn&#39;t good. There are other options, and if you disagree with any of the major issues that people that avoid the place do, then you are being either hypocritical, or lazy. Lazy is accepted as everyone is to some extent, and hypocrisy exists too, but if you don&#39;t disagree I am just wondering why you are on a leftst site. I am sure it is possible to be, but I don&#39;t know many people that advocate the further addition of McDonalds to town centres and schools, whilst supporting leftist ideas.

Are you against: deforistation, worker mistreatment, specifically targetting advertisement at young children, combining this with poor nutrition, increased methane emmisions, actually it would be quicker to say what is good about McDonalds. Just a little point though. [/b]
Now when has subliminal messaging been used before? No really I don&#39;t watch TV that often due to the idiocy level of some of the shows. Could you please give me an example unless you are talking about music in which case yes there have been REPORTS of subliminal messeges. Anyway though I am against the mistreatment of workers and such but must we really look that deep into (though it is unforunate how big business treats it employees like shit)? Yeah I will admit that deforistation is bad and whats the advertisement to children thing about? I still don&#39;t get it.

[Deepest Red]

Endorfun(sp?), Japanese computer game which tricked you into having fun.

[C_Rasmussen]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 5 2005, 06:13 PM
Endorfun(sp?), Japanese computer game which tricked you into having fun.
Oh I see now, ok. Yeah I suppose that it is rather wrong.

[Hegemonicretribution]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2005, 02:42 PM
Yes I am against these things but boycotting is not going to change anything unless it happens on a mass scale. Vanguard already made the point clear about consumerism and strike power and I&#39;m in agreement with them. If we boycotted every company that was involved in some way in the points you made above, I&#39;d be naked, starving and sleeping in a field.
No boycotting changes things, on a small scale, even if it only increases the scale on which it occurs. I speak from experience, from a non-issue from my home area, it has become an accepted important issue. Not everyone follows any sort of rule, that is fine, but many more people do. You don&#39;t start a movement with everyone there. Communism is supposed to be in favour of the vast majority of people in he world, yet the majority do no yet support it. Boycoting is something not as clearly benificial, in fact it can involve a little sacrifice, so like communism, the world isn&#39;t going o wake up one day and say "fuck nike."

No-one suggests that you boycott them all, I have tried doing everything for a few weeks and it isn&#39;t easy, just an experience. Even then am I boycotting esticides and weedkillers that seep into the land around where I sleep? No. It is impossible even sleeping naked, in the woods etc.

The beauty of it is that by choosing a few you are at least making an effort, rather than saying "I hate this, but don&#39;t question why I sill drink my coke and eat my McDonalds." Many people boycott products, but a few boycott a lot.

It has been said several times, that it is not forcing major corporations to do exactly as we want that is the point here. It would be nice but t is impractacle. There are other benifits that have been stated.

C_Rasmussen:
Subliminal Trials (http://www.parascope.com/articles/0397/sublim.htm)
This is was at least documented as reasonably well documented bu subliminal means more than we think. I don&#39;t think that is the issue really, and yes it s paranoia, but you never know. Also I believe it was stated that it WAS in McDonald&#39;s music that subliminal messaging occured.

I am actually interested in carrying out research into Monster&#39;s Inc about this. I don&#39;t know, but I just had a slight suspicion afer I watched a group of people watch this movie, like I say just a hunch.

[Hiero]

How can anyone like the taste of the food, it doesn&#39;t taste fresh.

[OleMarxco]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2005, 03:56 PM
I like the taste of the food and I don&#39;t care about my health.
But do you care about boycottin&#39; a company that is pro-imperialistic as for both multionationalism - forcin&#39; it into other lands...and anti-union to it&#39;s workers, and forces it&#39;s customers to eat pig shit in general opinion? BAH&#33; ;)

Sotto speak http://e.deviantart.com/emoticons/s/shh.gif

[resisting arrest with violence]

Originally posted by EL [email protected] 5 2005, 01:37 AM


But, there is a popular rebutle on Mickey Dees,what about the Ronald McDonald house,they help out low income families with sick kids? Whats your reply to that ?


My reply to that is that it is corporations like McDonalds who make people sick with their food---diabetes, heart disease, obesity, etc. In the U.S. over 60% of the entire population is overweight and over 30% is obese. Have you seen the documentary Supersize Me?

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.d.../405070305/1023 (http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040507/REVIEWS/405070305/1023)


http://www.supersizeme.com/

[Rage]

If you go to a McDonalds in Japan the bathroom costs 15 cents and 10 cents for a smile :lol:

/,,/
Rock on&#33;

[BOZG]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2005, 03:00 PM
But do you care about boycottin&#39; a company that is pro-imperialistic as for both multionationalism - forcin&#39; it into other lands...and anti-union to it&#39;s workers, and forces it&#39;s customers to eat pig shit in general opinion? BAH&#33; ;)

Sotto speak
No, I don&#39;t care for boycotting the company. I don&#39;t believe in boycotts unless specifically called for by the workers themselves. The majority of companies are anti-union and the majority of companies are pro-imperialistic and for multinationalism, what&#39;s your point? Instead of treating people like consumers, treat them for what they are, producers. Withdrawing labour power is far superior than withdrawing a tiny piece of consumer spending.

[bed_of_nails]

Originally posted by resisting arrest with [email protected] 4 2005, 03:25 PM
Well I left the house and was out in public and I had to go so bad&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; So I went to McDonalds--- not to eat their shit but to take one of the meanest, mushroom-cloud-laying shits in all my life. I felt so good afterwards----like if it was a catharsis. I think I blew up their toilet. ^_^ That&#39;s all McDonalds is good for---- a good Port&#39;o&#39;Let for society.
If taking a shit equates to starting a revolution, my bathroom is the new soviet union.

I literally blew it up before going to a rave saturday night. I mean the pipe cracked even.

[Hegemonicretribution]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2005, 10:20 PM
No, I don&#39;t care for boycotting the company. I don&#39;t believe in boycotts unless specifically called for by the workers themselves. The majority of companies are anti-union and the majority of companies are pro-imperialistic and for multinationalism, what&#39;s your point? Instead of treating people like consumers, treat them for what they are, producers. Withdrawing labour power is far superior than withdrawing a tiny piece of consumer spending.
Understood, but I can&#39;t withdraw labour power (especially all of it) from McDonalds, whom I especially disagree with in principle. Maybe other companies aspire to like them, bu they are them. Not going there when I disagree with them reduces the amount of hypocrisy in my life. It is also hw I can be active personally, and if everyone was active personally, then maybe the withdrawing of labour would be more realistic.

I am left wing, but I am not waiting for a revolution to come to me. I will do the little I can do personally because I feel I have a duty to do so. At least to some extent. Otherwise what seperates you from right wing, middle class kids chowing down on their big mac, apart from you "don&#39;t fully agree" with what is going in your mouth.

[Guest]

I was raised off Mickie D&#39;s. Ive learned it fucked me up majorly. Fast food is cheap, effective, and makes you have to get colon-oscopies or whatever u call it.

You shoulda took a shit on the counter where u buy the food when u were drunk :lol: . That would have been outrageous&#33;

[Raisa]

Yeah, so then working people could just clean it up for you.
Pretty fucking outrageous indeed&#33;

I just dont eat there. Sometimes I have a peice of chicken my friend gets there or something, but its never my choice to go to McDonald&#39;s, I dont think it is a very good eating choice.

[Guest]

This is the argument I have been hearing. Even though the food is not good at the fast food chains, it is considered cheaper than eating healthy. But this is where it gets complicated.
Would you rather spend more money on eating healthy, or spend less on fast food and pay more on medical coverage?

[El_Revolucionario]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2005, 07:45 PM
This is the argument I have been hearing. Even though the food is not good at the fast food chains, it is considered cheaper than eating healthy. But this is where it gets complicated.
Would you rather spend more money on eating healthy, or spend less on fast food and pay more on medical coverage?
Bingo&#33; It may seem "cheaper" right now, but medical bills for heart attacks are definitely not cheap.