Israel/Palestine

[new democracy]

since there are million of threads about this topic, i decided to make one thread about it. i wanted to tell malte to start a sticky thread like this, but from some reason i can't give malte a pm while i can give pm to other members(wonder why). so as much as you like to ignore me, please make this a sticky thread so we will not million threads about the same thing.
edit: ignore the attack on you Malte, it was because i wrote malte instead of Malte.

(Edited by new democracy at 4:13 pm on Sep. 26, 2002)

[new democracy]

i suggest you will read this: http://www.dennisfox.net/politics/israel.html . and malte pleas make this a sticky topic.

[new democracy]

also read this: http://www.newdemocracyworld.org/state.htm , http://www.newdemocracyworld.org/mideast.htm , http://www.newdemocracyworld.org/strife.htm , http://www.newdemocracyworld.org/strife2.htm . i know you(malte)told me not to spam, but after you so blatantly disrespect me(i will admit that in my first days here i was a bastard with stupid threads and spaming), even though i started to respect the forum rules, i don't see why i shold give a fuck about you.
edit: oh no!!! i am acting like an idiot again!!!

(Edited by new democracy at 4:16 pm on Sep. 26, 2002)

[canikickit]

Maybe you should give a fuck about him because he runs the show here. Also you are suggesting something and you want him to listen, but then you say that?

[new democracy]

look i am just angry about him for so blatantly ignoring me, i can't say it doesn't make me mad. i want him to make this a sticky topic so we want have millions of threads about the same things. now back to the topic: you have something to say about Palestine?

[Mazdak]

lol.....

He'll listen to you like he listened to lenin.

[new democracy]

i know. and i must say that when i wrote this, i sounded even to myself, like maoist3. now back to the topic. to help start this thread i will ask questions and you will answer:
1) do you support the israeli aggression?
2) do you support terrorist attack(by palestinians to all the smartass)?
3) what is your solution to the problem?
4) do you support arafat?
5) do you understand the people that do terrorist attacks?
6) ariel sharon deserve to be judged in hague?
7) do you think arafat should be judged in hague?
8) if there is an attack on iraq, there is a chance that iraq will attack israel with missiles(it happened in 1,991). would you support it?
i will answer this later and put more questions.

[new democracy]

more articles: http://www.yafp.org/rspeech1.htm , http://www.yafp.org/jacobspeech1.htm .

[new democracy]

note: when you read this, you have to know that there is a different between arab israelis who have israeli citizenship and live inside israel and palestinians that don't have israeli citizenship and live in gaza strip and the west bank.l
my thoughts: israel is apartheid state. why? here is why: there are laws that ban interracial marriage(jews can't narry with arabs), there is a law that says that the government can make settlements for jews only, many arabs live in unknown villages in the negev(unknown village is a village with no electricity or water supply), between 1,948-1,966 there was military law on arab israelis, and trade unions start giving services to non jewish citizens only from 1,960.

[new democracy]

sorry Malte. the reason you didn't get my pm is because i wrote malte instead of Malte.

[James]

hahaha, your still the cretin you were last time i was around. There are millions of israel/pal threads, why not just post on one of them? Instead of being an attention seeking little twat?

[new democracy]

i am not seeking for attention, though you have some point, remember that many of the users in old threads have gone(comisar bob, derer, etc), and many of them referring to some attack(by both sides), and don't talk so much about politics inside israel or palestine(i want this thread will be about politics, leaders from both sides, not only about the conflict).

[James]

Do you like to play with red tape?

[new democracy]

and what does that mean?

[James]

hahahahaha

Well try to use your brain ND, or if yours isn't good enough, or if you are just programed, ask an adult to help you.

Think, whats red tape?

[new democracy]

i must say i am disappointed about the way this htread is going. about red tape, if this is an expression than i am unfamiliar with it, or maybe do you are referring to the links which are written in red.

[James]

LMFAO!!!

I take it English isn't your first language then! lol, sorry

Forget it...

[new democracy]

yes, english isn't my first language!!! hebrew is my first language. back to the topic. about arafat: arafat is obviously involve in terrorism, and if he can be called palestinian stalin. factional killing inside the plo and other terrorist organization is not something rare: here are some people that have been killed because of inner fighting(this could be full of spelling mistakes): sayd hamamy, ali yasin, iz aldin kalak, zuhir muhasein, naim hadir, kamal hussein, fadil dani, saad tsail, isam siratwi, fahud kuhasma, naji alali, isam salam, bisam horany, salah halaf, hail abad al hamid(from plo lexicon). there was also a big purge in 2,000 against people that were accused of "collaborate wit h israel".

[Conghaileach]

from new democracy:
1) do you support the israeli aggression?
2) do you support terrorist attack(by palestinians to all the smartass)?

Why are Israeli acts called agression whereas Palestinian acts are called terrorist attacks?

[new democracy]

you are right, israeli acts are terrorism as well.

[Conghaileach]

I think the word terrorism is really get worn out now. Everyone seems to call everyone else a terrorist.

[new democracy]

terrorist: a person that use violence against innocent civilians. in guerilla the use of violence is against military targets or government targets. so palestinian armed resistance is terrorism. but the same goes to the israeli government.

[boadicea88]

OK, here are the answers I have:

1) Fuck no

2) No

3) Give the stolen lands BACK to the Palestinians, or at least give them back their fair share. If it be the lion's share, so be it.

4) Yes I support Arafat

5) Yes I understand terrorists, they are people just like myself, and if I put myself in their shoes I'd probably do the same things.

6) I think Sharon should be tried and excecuted for war crimes and crimes against humanity

7) I don't know

8) Yes


I am sorry if it sounds like I'm anti-Israel or anti-Semite, I'm not, I'm just anti-Sharon.

[new democracy]

boadicea88, what the fuck!? the missile will kill me!!
1) no
2) no
3) not another ethnic based state. replace israel and palestine with one democracy(not democracy by the capitalist definition. the article "should there be a jewish state"(you will find link in the start of the thread)realy show my opinion)
4) no
5) yes. if i was a palestinian i will do the same.
6) yes!!!
7) yes!!!
8) no!!! it could kill me!!!
note: i know i promised to leave but this case is special.

[boadicea88]

I'm so sorry ND, (I know I told you all this already), but answer this:
Would you support someone who bombed Oregon U$A? You probably would, I would even though I know I'd probably be killed.
This DOES NOT mean that I WANT Iraq to bomb Israel, I don't want Amerika to attack Iraq and provoke them to bomb anyone but Amerika. Does that clear it up a bit?

[boadicea88]

Damn, that whole last sentence makes no sense... ah well work it out as best as you can. Sorry about that.

[KickMcCann]

No human can ever truely own the land, the land owns the humans.

Maybe the world would be better if the UN completely evacuted the region, assembled some powerful nuclear weapons, and just sunk that horrible place to the bottom of the Meditteranean Sea. Then pack up all the Palestinians and Israelis in a big space ship. Launch them all to Mars where they can torture eachother without bothering and fucking up the rest of the planet.

[new democracy]

boadicea88, if someone will bomb the us i will not support it. most of the israelis vote to sharon only because ehud barak is a wuss that failed. maybe, he will not bomb us because netanyahu has talked secretly with sadam and(at least that's what netanyahu said)sadam has promised not to bomb. anyway, we also have shelters against bombing.

[hawarameen]

this is a pointless thread started by a pointless individual.

ND look through some old posts and see if there is anything you can 'repost'

[lostone]

mount zion's a minefield, the west bank the gaza strip, soon to be parkinglots for american tourists and fascist cops... fuck zionism, fuck milytarism, fuck americanism, fuck nationalism, fuck religion...
i think the subject is too wast to explore and coment this way, we all know what's really going on in palestine, it's imperialist/capitalist playground...

[munkey soup]

Terror:
1 : a state of intense fear
2 a : one that inspires fear : scourge b : a frightening aspect c : a cause of anxiety : worry d : an appalling person or thing; especially : brat
3 : reign of terror
4 : violence (as bombing) committed by groups in order to intimidate a population or government into granting their demands

Terrorism:
the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion

(all from http://www.yourdictionary.com/)

[Marxist1848]

"No human can ever truely own the land, the land owns the humans.

Maybe the world would be better if the UN completely evacuted the region, assembled some powerful nuclear weapons, and just sunk that horrible place to the bottom of the Meditteranean Sea. Then pack up all the Palestinians and Israelis in a big space ship. Launch them all to Mars where they can torture eachother without bothering and fucking up the rest of the planet. "

You are one smart guy/girl.
I look forward to seeing your views on other subjects.
Great opinion, i share it also.
I do think that the whole sending them to mars thing would just be bad for mars.
Why not pluto?
Its farther aweay from earth!