How are you Preparing for the Revolution

[A Free Mind]

I am intrested to know if you self professing revolutionarys have done any preparation for the revolution. By preparations I mean have you aquired effetive assult weapons including anti tank and anti air weapons or if you or your political associations can even aquire these weapons and also if you train with any leftist millita groups in your areas

if you do not then please explain why and tell me how you can see a revolution taking place ever

note the non existance of a leftist millita group in your area is not an excuse as nothing is really stoping you from starting your own (in the US anyway)

[MKS]

I am intrested to know if you self professing revolutionarys have done any preparation for the revolution. By preparations I mean have you aquired effetive assult weapons including anti tank and anti air weapons or if you or your political associations can even aquire these weapons and also if you train with any leftist millita groups in your areas

Such weapons are almost impossible to aquire in the US, assault rifles maybe, but anti-tank and anti-air weapons, not a chance.



if you do not then please explain why and tell me how you can see a revolution taking place ever

Well, starting a milita or joining one is very risky in the US, im sure any organisation that trained and prepared for the destrucution of Capitalism/Imperialism i.e the US would meet swift destruction.
The revolution has to first occur in the hearts and minds of the people, if this does not happen first any revolution will fail.


note the non existance of a leftist millita group in your area is not an excuse as nothing is really stoping you from starting your own (in the US anyway)

Well I can think of a few things stopping me;
The FBI
The CIA
The US Army, Navy, Marines, and Air Force
The NSA
The Department of Homeland Security
The GOP
The Democratic Party
and...Oh yeah, about 80-90% of the US population.

[encephalon]

The time isn't ripe for revoluition. What would be the point of a revolution by the minority?

[C_Rasmussen]

What the fuck is this "revolution" all about anyway? I just joined today and about every two pages I notice something about a revolution.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

A revolution is when a wheel or similar circular object rotates once. Revolutions occur all the time.

[C_Rasmussen]

Haha, I meant this political revolution that people are talking about on this site.

[apathy maybe]

I have a large stock pile of automatic weapons, high explosives and a number of jeeps and trucks. I am working on obtaining a tank, preferably two. These are stored in a large under ground bunker in a hill.

These I am keeping for that day that an organisation that is worthy arrises to claim the mantle of "vanguard".

I also propagandise and graffiti stuff.

What do YOU do?

[Che1990]

Haha, I meant this political revolution that people are talking about on this site.


That's what we're here for (i.e. REVOLUTIONary left). The revolution has started in the third world countries, but it's not ime yet for it to start in imperialist nations. We need more support.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I am intrested to know if you self professing revolutionarys have done any preparation for the revolution. By preparations I mean have you aquired effetive assult weapons including anti tank and anti air weapons or if you or your political associations can even aquire these weapons and also if you train with any leftist millita groups in your areas

If you really want to know, I'm the leader of a 'red terror' revolutionary cell, with 20 cammo clad thugs at my command armed with AK-47s, Desert Eagle pistols, USAS-12 automatic shotguns, RPG-7s and 40mm Grenade launchers. We regularly rob banks and engage in running battles with the cops and the army. We also put a horse's head in George W Bush's bed, pistol whipped the new pope and put LSD in Tony Bliar's beverages.

Don't bother contacting the CIA; they already know and there is nothing they can do.

For the slow of thinking, I am joking.

[encephalon]

If you really want to know, I'm the leader of a 'red terror' revolutionary cell, with 20 cammo clad thugs at my command armed with AK-47s, Desert Eagle pistols, USAS-12 automatic shotguns, RPG-7s and 40mm Grenade launchers. We regularly rob banks and engage in running battles with the cops and the army. We also put a horse's head in George W Bush's bed, pistol whipped the new pope and put LSD in Tony Bliar's beverages.

Don't bother contacting the CIA; they already know and there is nothing they can do.

For the slow of thinking, I am joking


except the pistol whipping part.

[slim]

Look at my post in theory- revolution.

Its about weapons.

[ahhh_money_is_comfort]

I take lots of target practice. I can place 9/10 shots of .223 or .308 rifle bullet into a man size head at 300 yards without optics.

I plan to shoot the Stalinist trying to kill the pacificist. I'm going to secretly kill all the opposition to real communist after the initial over throw. That way only real pacificist and people who really believe in justice and compassion will be around to run the show. Anyone else can expect a rifle bullet between the eyes through the kitchen window while having dinner. Again that is because all the fake communist will just run the rest of us into disaster with another replay of Stalin or Pol Pot.

BTW with optics I can shoot at long range; get up, pack up, and leave in the time it takes for the rifle bullet to reach my target between the eyes.

[redstar2000]

I have summoned up 100 demons from Hell and am presently training them in organized combat...eventually I expect to have 20 million or so demons under my personal command. When I give the signal, they will attack and bite the heads off of every capitalist, priest, soldier, cop, and bureaucrat in America!

Nothing to it!

http://www.websmileys.com/sm/evil/teu42.gif

[ahhh_money_is_comfort]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 06:03 AM
I have summoned up 100 demons from Hell and am presently training them in organized combat...eventually I expect to have 20 million or so demons under my personal command. When I give the signal, they will attack and bite the heads off of every capitalist, priest, soldier, cop, and bureaucrat in America!

Nothing to it!

http://www.websmileys.com/sm/evil/teu42.gif
How about anti-revolutionaries too?

Can you please include that in the list too?

And

Fake communist, the ones who fake social justice and equality; but really want destruction and vengance.

And

Useless intellectuals, the ones who think they are smart, but really just get in the way of the protelariat and what they really want.

[Idealist]

Maybe I am way off. Im sure you will ridicule me if a I am. What is the point of posting about "the revolution" and "anti-capitalism" if you arent actively doing anything about it? So you hate capitalism. You think majority of Americans are idiots. Hmmm.. why not educate them? Talk to them on the street, hold rallies. Hold meetings at universities. It can all be done under the guise of educating ppl about the evil of Bush since it would be dumb to say "Hey, Im a commie!" You dont have to get weapons and organize a guerilla army to help in the fight. Maybe my suggestions are bad. Maybe you guys are really doing something. I havent really seen or heard anything. Maybe b/c Im too busy watching the O.C. But these are the very people you should be targeting.

[Loknar]

your revolution will only succeed only if you have military support,


the amereican army is well trained and has allot of weapons (8,000 M1A1, M1A2 M60A1) and will win even in a guerilla war.

[ahhh_money_is_comfort]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2005, 05:02 AM
Maybe I am way off. Im sure you will ridicule me if a I am. What is the point of posting about "the revolution" and "anti-capitalism" if you arent actively doing anything about it? So you hate capitalism. You think majority of Americans are idiots. Hmmm.. why not educate them? Talk to them on the street, hold rallies. Hold meetings at universities. It can all be done under the guise of educating ppl about the evil of Bush since it would be dumb to say "Hey, Im a commie!" You dont have to get weapons and organize a guerilla army to help in the fight. Maybe my suggestions are bad. Maybe you guys are really doing something. I havent really seen or heard anything. Maybe b/c Im too busy watching the O.C. But these are the very people you should be targeting.
Yes, I agree. If your part of a morally superior cause and of supreme character, then leading by example is the best way. You should lead other communist by your example. Yes you are superior to them and will not resort to violence and use intellect over thugs.

You first clue about your cause is what people will do to you if you shout "Hey I'm a commie". They don't want your snake oil that your selling.

[ahhh_money_is_comfort]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2005, 06:38 AM
your revolution will only succeed only if you have military support,


the amereican army is well trained and has allot of weapons (8,000 M1A1, M1A2 M60A1) and will win even in a guerilla war.
How about the people who have retired or exited the military?

These people are everywhere and in civilian clothing and regular day jobs? These people have been training to hate commies so much that they would consider it fun to shoot a commie. In addition to military support you would have to change these peoples minds too.

[Sabocat]

BTW with optics I can shoot at long range; get up, pack up, and leave in the time it takes for the rifle bullet to reach my target between the eyes.

Sure you can. Perhaps in your fantasies or in the movies.

Lets see...say it takes a minute for you to shoot, get up, pack up and leave, even at a conservative 1800 fps (even though the .308 in 150 grain will run around 2300 fps for the first 200 yards) you're telling me that your target is theoreticlally about 20 miles away? LOL. with a .308 eh...

Even the military acknowledges that the .308 effective range is about 1000 yard effective range. At that range, the .308 will reach target at around 1.5-2.0 seconds. Hardly enough time for you to "shoot, get up, pack up and leave".

Keep in mind though, that after about 700 yards the .308 round falls like a set of car keys (about 30 inches) and in all probability after more than 1000 yards, the energy would also drop off considerably making it unlikely that it would do anything other than injure. The likelyhood of you making a headshot at those ranges with that round are also very unlikely. I haven't even added in the windage problems that would be substantial at those ranges as well.

[ahhh_money_is_comfort]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2005, 04:53 PM

BTW with optics I can shoot at long range; get up, pack up, and leave in the time it takes for the rifle bullet to reach my target between the eyes.

Sure you can. Perhaps in your fantasies or in the movies.

Lets see...say it takes a minute for you to shoot, get up, pack up and leave, even at a conservative 1800 fps (even though the .308 in 150 grain will run around 2300 fps for the first 200 yards) you're telling me that your target is theoreticlally about 20 miles away? LOL. with a .308 eh...

Even the military acknowledges that the .308 effective range is about 1000 yard effective range. At that range, the .308 will reach target at around 1.5-2.0 seconds. Hardly enough time for you to "shoot, get up, pack up and leave".

Keep in mind though, that after about 700 yards the .308 round falls like a set of car keys (about 30 inches) and in all probability after more than 1000 yards, the energy would also drop off considerably making it unlikely that it would do anything other than injure. The likelyhood of you making a headshot at those ranges with that round are also very unlikely. I haven't even added in the windage problems that would be substantial at those ranges as well.
I'm shooting Federal Gold Medal Match .308. Which does allow me to shoot long distance 'pack up and leave before the bullet hits between the eyes'. With a match M1A it imprints less than .5MOA at 100 yards. With the Remington 700 PS I'm good to go at 1000 yards if I do everthing right. The last rifle match I shot with retired police snipers and primary Marine rifle instructors I took 1st place. It was a lucky day, I just did everything right, there were a few unlucky brain farts from the snipers and rifle instructors. So yes, I can aim at someone between the eyes before breakfast, have my juice and read the paper before the bullet hits.

Not to worry, as long as there is no violent revolution, you need not worry. I'm only after the violent commies. Plus I'm here to protect the good commies from the Stalinist. You should thank me.

[Eastside Revolt]

Originally posted by ahhh_money_is_comfort+Jun 5 2005, 10:13 PM--> (ahhh_money_is_comfort @ Jun 5 2005, 10:13 PM)
[email protected] 5 2005, 04:53 PM

BTW with optics I can shoot at long range; get up, pack up, and leave in the time it takes for the rifle bullet to reach my target between the eyes.

Sure you can. Perhaps in your fantasies or in the movies.

Lets see...say it takes a minute for you to shoot, get up, pack up and leave, even at a conservative 1800 fps (even though the .308 in 150 grain will run around 2300 fps for the first 200 yards) you're telling me that your target is theoreticlally about 20 miles away? LOL. with a .308 eh...

Even the military acknowledges that the .308 effective range is about 1000 yard effective range. At that range, the .308 will reach target at around 1.5-2.0 seconds. Hardly enough time for you to "shoot, get up, pack up and leave".

Keep in mind though, that after about 700 yards the .308 round falls like a set of car keys (about 30 inches) and in all probability after more than 1000 yards, the energy would also drop off considerably making it unlikely that it would do anything other than injure. The likelyhood of you making a headshot at those ranges with that round are also very unlikely. I haven't even added in the windage problems that would be substantial at those ranges as well.
I'm shooting Federal Gold Medal Match .308. Which does allow me to shoot long distance 'pack up and leave before the bullet hits between the eyes'. With a match M1A it imprints less than .5MOA at 100 yards. With the Remington 700 PS I'm good to go at 1000 yards if I do everthing right. The last rifle match I shot with retired police snipers and primary Marine rifle instructors I took 1st place. It was a lucky day, I just did everything right, there were a few unlucky brain farts from the snipers and rifle instructors. So yes, I can aim at someone between the eyes before breakfast, have my juice and read the paper before the bullet hits.

Not to worry, as long as there is no violent revolution, you need not worry. I'm only after the violent commies. Plus I'm here to protect the good commies from the Stalinist. You should thank me. [/b]
The fact is that we live in reactionary times. Poeple like you would rather continue the opression and genocide of your poor, and black population; than you would give up your '95 Toyota. :lol:

And I hope you don't think your fantacies are scaring us. When a revolution comes, you'll already have had to of sold your car, and guns just to eat, and you'll be stuck out in the cold with the rest of us.

[KptnKrill]

(imv) revolution is not something you wait around for and hope will happen. It's the everyday. You are the revolution, because let's face it. The "oppressed workers" simply aren't going to rise up. That was last century. It's time to move on.

Death to capitalism, death to marxism! Hurrah for the "revolution"!

[guerillablack]

I'm reading and learning as much as i can about revolutionary ideologies and practices, so i can effectively contribute to the revolution processes in Africa and other South American countries. No need of having a mind, that does not produce action.

[NovelGentry]

in Africa and other South American countries

When did that happen?

[ahhh_money_is_comfort]

Originally posted by redcanada+Jun 6 2005, 01:48 AM--> (redcanada @ Jun 6 2005, 01:48 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2005, 10:13 PM

[email protected] 5 2005, 04:53 PM

BTW with optics I can shoot at long range; get up, pack up, and leave in the time it takes for the rifle bullet to reach my target between the eyes.

Sure you can. Perhaps in your fantasies or in the movies.

Lets see...say it takes a minute for you to shoot, get up, pack up and leave, even at a conservative 1800 fps (even though the .308 in 150 grain will run around 2300 fps for the first 200 yards) you're telling me that your target is theoreticlally about 20 miles away? LOL. with a .308 eh...

Even the military acknowledges that the .308 effective range is about 1000 yard effective range. At that range, the .308 will reach target at around 1.5-2.0 seconds. Hardly enough time for you to "shoot, get up, pack up and leave".

Keep in mind though, that after about 700 yards the .308 round falls like a set of car keys (about 30 inches) and in all probability after more than 1000 yards, the energy would also drop off considerably making it unlikely that it would do anything other than injure. The likelyhood of you making a headshot at those ranges with that round are also very unlikely. I haven't even added in the windage problems that would be substantial at those ranges as well.
I'm shooting Federal Gold Medal Match .308. Which does allow me to shoot long distance 'pack up and leave before the bullet hits between the eyes'. With a match M1A it imprints less than .5MOA at 100 yards. With the Remington 700 PS I'm good to go at 1000 yards if I do everthing right. The last rifle match I shot with retired police snipers and primary Marine rifle instructors I took 1st place. It was a lucky day, I just did everything right, there were a few unlucky brain farts from the snipers and rifle instructors. So yes, I can aim at someone between the eyes before breakfast, have my juice and read the paper before the bullet hits.

Not to worry, as long as there is no violent revolution, you need not worry. I'm only after the violent commies. Plus I'm here to protect the good commies from the Stalinist. You should thank me.
The fact is that we live in reactionary times. Poeple like you would rather continue the opression and genocide of your poor, and black population; than you would give up your '95 Toyota. :lol:

And I hope you don't think your fantacies are scaring us. When a revolution comes, you'll already have had to of sold your car, and guns just to eat, and you'll be stuck out in the cold with the rest of us. [/b]
Oh quite contrare. I support a revolution, but not by fake commies. I welcome a future were I can gravitate to work I enjoy. I welcome the idea of control of my own labor. I'm not going to risk internal sabotage from Stalinist. That is why I'm planning to pop anyone who has any violent tendancies or ambition. I'm supporting the pacificist and the communal hippies who will treat thier fellow man with respect, social justice, and brotherly love. Those things you don't get from commies with ambition or violence. Hence the need to cull the herd of these people.

So whose side are you on? The fake bougouise commies or are you with the protelariat?

[ahhh_money_is_comfort]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2005, 05:40 AM
I'm reading and learning as much as i can about revolutionary ideologies and practices, so i can effectively contribute to the revolution processes in Africa and other South American countries. No need of having a mind, that does not produce action.
I would check your Marxist theories there comrade. Those places are poor candidates for a communist revolution. They lack the infrastructure, manufacturing, and education to be a logical place for a communist revolution. The places for a revolution are places like Japan, USA, and western Europe. These are good places for a proper revolution.

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by ahhh_money_is_comfort+Jun 5 2005, 11:03 PM--> (ahhh_money_is_comfort @ Jun 5 2005, 11:03 PM) Not to worry, as long as there is no violent revolution, you need not worry. I'm only after the violent commies. Plus I'm here to protect the good commies from the Stalinist. You should thank me.
...
Oh quite contrare. I support a revolution, but not by fake commies. I welcome a future were I can gravitate to work I enjoy. I welcome the idea of control of my own labor. I'm not going to risk internal sabotage from Stalinist. That is why I'm planning to pop anyone who has any violent tendancies or ambition. I'm supporting the pacificist and the communal hippies who will treat thier fellow man with respect, social justice, and brotherly love. Those things you don't get from commies with ambition or violence. Hence the need to cull the herd of these people.

So whose side are you on? The fake bougouise commies or are you with the protelaria [/b]
Interesting; this seems to be different from some of your earlier posts.
So you would shoot those using violence to defend themselves?
What of those using force to suppress viable targets in battle such as military, police or any other counter revolutionaries? You do know that you will be a non-pacifist right? Are you going to be shooting yourself?
The ruling class WILL be using force to suppress any communist movement (the closer we get, the more desperate they will be), so "pacificist[s] and the communal hippies," will either decide to put up a fight or be murdered in mass (unless the rest of us defend them).


[email protected] 5 2005, 09:57 PM
death to marxism!

What the fuck? Do you know what Marxism is? Whether you agree or disagree with Marxism, the precepts are based on reason and so you might as well be saying "death to the theory of evolution." Where would we be without Marxism?

[KptnKrill]

Originally posted by 313C7 [email protected] 6 2005, 05:45 AM
What the fuck? Do you know what Marxism is? Whether you agree or disagree with Marxism, the precepts are based on reason and so you might as well be saying "death to the theory of evolution." Where would we be without Marxism?
Yes I know what marxism. That's why I said it. You are right, some of the concepts behind marxism are based on reason. But alot of marxism is incredibly flawed.

Though comparing the theory of evolution to the theory of marxism simply isn't a proper comparason. One is based on scientific method. The other was just made up by some guy.

[Anti-establishment]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2005, 05:38 AM
your revolution will only succeed only if you have military support,


the amereican army is well trained and has allot of weapons (8,000 M1A1, M1A2 M60A1) and will win even in a guerilla war.
Wee place called Vietnam, ever hear of it?

[farleft]

Originally posted by A Free [email protected] 3 2005, 05:11 AM
I am intrested to know if you self professing revolutionarys have done any preparation for the revolution. By preparations I mean have you aquired effetive assult weapons including anti tank and anti air weapons or if you or your political associations can even aquire these weapons and also if you train with any leftist millita groups in your areas

if you do not then please explain why and tell me how you can see a revolution taking place ever

note the non existance of a leftist millita group in your area is not an excuse as nothing is really stoping you from starting your own (in the US anyway)
If I/we are would I be that stupid as to post it on the internet?

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2005, 06:29 AM
Though comparing the theory of evolution to the theory of marxism simply isn't a proper comparason. One is based on scientific method. The other was just made up by some guy.
This makes no sense; evolution is just as "made up" as the theories of Marxism. Your opinions don't make one more valid than the other, you have to have reasons and as I know it, Marxism IS based on scientific method.

Could I persuade you to start a thread with your specifics "faults" you see in Marxism?
This really isn't the right place to discuss this issue anyway.

[ahhh_money_is_comfort]

Originally posted by 313C7 iVi4RX+Jun 6 2005, 09:26 PM--> (313C7 iVi4RX @ Jun 6 2005, 09:26 PM)
[email protected] 6 2005, 06:29 AM
Though comparing the theory of evolution to the theory of marxism simply isn't a proper comparason. One is based on scientific method. The other was just made up by some guy.
This makes no sense; evolution is just as "made up" as the theories of Marxism. Your opinions don't make one more valid than the other, you have to have reasons and as I know it, Marxism IS bases on scientific method.

Could I persuade you to start a thread with your specifics "faults" you see in Marxism?
This really isn't the right place to discuss this issue anyway. [/b]
1) Marxism is clear. The revolution will happen in industrial and technological places.

They don't. They happen in poor and uneducated places. Like China, Russia, Cambodia, Africa, etc.

2) If they happen in places where there is no industrialization, then where is the industrial capacity to be seized?

3) Classes society? What about intellectuals? Are they a class?

4) Stalinist? They do a good job of ruing the revolution, eh? How come you almost get close to a 100% chance of Stalinist raising to power very quickly in a communist revolution? Do you think the chances are pretty good that the next revolution, anywhere at anytime in the future, is going to become another Stalinist nightmare?

I can go on...

[Elect Marx]

Odd; you didn't address my post directed at you... did you miss it?

Also; I suggested this be addressed in an appropriate thread... was that too missed?


Originally posted by ahhh_money_is_comfort+Jun 6 2005, 06:43 PM--> (ahhh_money_is_comfort @ Jun 6 2005, 06:43 PM)
Originally posted by 313C7 [email protected] 6 2005, 09:26 PM

[email protected] 6 2005, 06:29 AM
Though comparing the theory of evolution to the theory of marxism simply isn't a proper comparason. One is based on scientific method. The other was just made up by some guy.
This makes no sense; evolution is just as "made up" as the theories of Marxism. Your opinions don't make one more valid than the other, you have to have reasons and as I know it, Marxism IS bases on scientific method.

Could I persuade you to start a thread with your specifics "faults" you see in Marxism?
This really isn't the right place to discuss this issue anyway.

1) Marxism is clear. The revolution will happen in industrial and technological places.

They don't. They happen in poor and uneducated places. Like China, Russia, Cambodia, Africa, etc.[/b]

Wrong; the revolution is BEST and as far as Marxism is concerned, a communistic revolution is intended to be worldwide, that is a PRIORITY. Nationalist revolutions are not Marxist in the least.

Marxism focuses on "industrial and technological places" as important "battles" if you will (possibly too singularly but Marxism is an evolving science), though these need much consideration, as I think you would agree.


2) If they happen in places where there is no industrialization, then where is the industrial capacity to be seized?

What exactly are you asking? If they happen in unindustrialized areas, there is no industry to distribute. I think this is an important question as I understand it and I must admit that I have not spent a huge amount of time thinking about revolution in developing countries but I would say they should work to mobilize and educate the surrounding areas at least. I will get back after I consider this a bit more.


3) Classes society? What about intellectuals? Are they a class?

The intellectuals are not a class and wouldn't even likely be a minority. In a classless society everyone has access to education as it is engrained in the open society. People might have different areas of specialization but essentially everyone will be interested in facets of society: culture, science > history and means of making their own livelihood; education > intellectualism would be ramped :lol:


4) Stalinist? They do a good job of ruing the revolution, eh? How come you almost get close to a 100% chance of Stalinist raising to power very quickly in a communist revolution? Do you think the chances are pretty good that the next revolution, anywhere at anytime in the future, is going to become another Stalinist nightmare?

This is the problem I see with centralizing and I see no real need to pool power/wealth.
I am for a sort of broad coalition of leftists and any sectarians or people seeking anything other than the struggle for an egalitarian society and prosperity, can fuck off.

I cannot really say what will happen in the next revolution, it may very well be subverted to a fascistic movement due to ultra leftists sitting on their asses until power goes to the elitists and them some stand up just to be shot but wont take the effort to organize now.

Unless we can get a broad base, as community based revolution founded on education; vanguardists will ALWAYS fuck us by getting fucked. The truth is that the vanguard can always be subverted, you can always manipulate the hierarchy but assassination, terrorism, etc...


I can go on...

Feel free to but this should really be moved to another thread.

[ahhh_money_is_comfort]

Originally posted by 313C7 iVi4RX+Jun 7 2005, 10:37 PM--> (313C7 iVi4RX @ Jun 7 2005, 10:37 PM) Odd; you didn't address my post directed at you... did you miss it?

Also; I suggested this be addressed in an appropriate thread... was that too missed?


Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2005, 06:43 PM

Originally posted by 313C7 [email protected] 6 2005, 09:26 PM

[email protected] 6 2005, 06:29 AM
Though comparing the theory of evolution to the theory of marxism simply isn't a proper comparason. One is based on scientific method. The other was just made up by some guy.
This makes no sense; evolution is just as "made up" as the theories of Marxism. Your opinions don't make one more valid than the other, you have to have reasons and as I know it, Marxism IS bases on scientific method.

Could I persuade you to start a thread with your specifics "faults" you see in Marxism?
This really isn't the right place to discuss this issue anyway.

1) Marxism is clear. The revolution will happen in industrial and technological places.

They don't. They happen in poor and uneducated places. Like China, Russia, Cambodia, Africa, etc.

Wrong; the revolution is BEST and as far as Marxism is concerned, a communistic revolution is intended to be worldwide, that is a PRIORITY. Nationalist revolutions are not Marxist in the least.

Marxism focuses on "industrial and technological places" as important "battles" if you will (possibly too singularly but Marxism is an evolving science), though these need much consideration, as I think you would agree.


2) If they happen in places where there is no industrialization, then where is the industrial capacity to be seized?

What exactly are you asking? If they happen in unindustrialized areas, there is no industry to distribute. I think this is an important question as I understand it and I must admit that I have not spent a huge amount of time thinking about revolution in developing countries but I would say they should work to mobilize and educate the surrounding areas at least. I will get back after I consider this a bit more.


3) Classes society? What about intellectuals? Are they a class?

The intellectuals are not a class and wouldn't even likely be a minority. In a classless society everyone has access to education as it is engrained in the open society. People might have different areas of specialization but essentially everyone will be interested in facets of society: culture, science > history and means of making their own livelihood; education > intellectualism would be ramped :lol:


4) Stalinist? They do a good job of ruing the revolution, eh? How come you almost get close to a 100% chance of Stalinist raising to power very quickly in a communist revolution? Do you think the chances are pretty good that the next revolution, anywhere at anytime in the future, is going to become another Stalinist nightmare?

This is the problem I see with centralizing and I see no real need to pool power/wealth.
I am for a sort of broad coalition of leftists and any sectarians or people seeking anything other than the struggle for an egalitarian society and prosperity, can fuck off.

I cannot really say what will happen in the next revolution, it may very well be subverted to a fascistic movement due to ultra leftists sitting on their asses until power goes to the elitists and them some stand up just to be shot but wont take the effort to organize now.

Unless we can get a broad base, as community based revolution founded on education; vanguardists will ALWAYS fuck us by getting fucked. The truth is that the vanguard can always be subverted, you can always manipulate the hierarchy but assassination, terrorism, etc...


I can go on...

Feel free to but this should really be moved to another thread. [/b]
Your not a communist to speak ill of the revolutions comrade. Who are you to say Lenin and Mao was wrong? You sicken me to claim that Lenin and Mao was wrong. You need to be re-educated. In the comming revolution I suggest you keep quiet or be re-educated.

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2005, 09:10 AM
Your not a communist to speak ill of the revolutions comrade.
Not revolution in general...


Who are you to say Lenin and Mao was wrong?

What? I wasn't even addressing them...


You sicken me to claim that Lenin and Mao was wrong. You need to be re-educated. In the comming revolution I suggest you keep quiet or be re-educated.

Okay... why don't you respond to the content of my post?
I'm not even sure why you are making such statements.

[guerillablack]

Not everyone is a marxist, not everyone agrees with or reads Marx or any other of your heroes. You can be a revolutionary without being a Marxist or by reading Marx. Maybe instead of reading, which can lead to internalizing other's mistakes as truth, you should analyze the world yourself. Africa is the perfect place for revolution. Where does Japan get it's natural resources?Where does USA, China all the world powers get their natural resources?Their diamonds, their gold? Liberate Africa and end imperialism's exploitation of the motherland you extremely hinder capitalism. Capitalism, or World Capitalism for that matter depends on exploitation and robbery, especially of Africa. If China or Japan closes off connection to USA, it still would survive. It doesn't get oil, diamonds, or gold from these places.

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2005, 02:31 AM
Not everyone is a marxist, not everyone agrees with or reads Marx or any other of your heroes. You can be a revolutionary without being a Marxist or by reading Marx.
What heroes? I made no such sectarian claims (!!!); what the hell is with this rant?


Maybe instead of reading, which can lead to internalizing other's mistakes as truth, you should analyze the world yourself.

I do both; perhaps you shouldn't hold such prejudices against others. You apparently know very little about me, so perhaps you should also put more thought into your statements.


Africa is the perfect place for revolution. Where does Japan get it's natural resources?Where does USA, China all the world powers get their natural resources?Their diamonds, their gold?

This is very simplistic; I hope you have more reasons than this. Wealth isn't maintained by diamonds and gold, they are simply materials capitalists invest in like any other. Perhaps you should read some books on theory/economics.


Liberate Africa and end imperialism's exploitation of the motherland you extremely hinder capitalism. Capitalism, or World Capitalism for that matter depends on exploitation and robbery, especially of Africa. If China or Japan closes off connection to USA, it still would survive. It doesn't get oil, diamonds, or gold from these places.

Yes; as taking any large territory would be a blow against capitalism.

[Professor Moneybags]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2005, 08:31 AM
Liberate Africa and end imperialism's exploitation of the motherland you extremely hinder capitalism.
Whether that contitutes liberation is a question for another day.

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by Professor Moneybags+Jun 10 2005, 09:50 AM--> (Professor Moneybags @ Jun 10 2005, 09:50 AM)
[email protected] 10 2005, 08:31 AM
Liberate Africa and end imperialism's exploitation of the motherland you extremely hinder capitalism.
Whether that contitutes liberation is a question for another day. [/b]
Ah, yes; is ending exploitation liberation? Perhaps only BY DEFINITION but let me know when you decide to start proving your statements.

[jenar]

Originally posted by Apathy [email protected] 3 2005, 07:30 AM
What do YOU do?
I did it long time ago: I grew up... :lol:

Well I am a liberal socialdemocrat, and won´t grow more up than that... ;)

And like the good socialdemocrat Willy Brandt once said: If you are not a communist when you are twenty, you are heartless. If you are still a communist when you are forty, you are brainless... :)

[JudeObscure84]

Willy Brandt once said: If you are not a communist when you are twenty, you are heartless. If you are still a communist when you are forty, you are brainless...

sounds like churchills quote.

[jenar]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2005, 10:19 PM

Willy Brandt once said: If you are not a communist when you are twenty, you are heartless. If you are still a communist when you are forty, you are brainless...

sounds like churchills quote.
It was Brandt, then a mayor of W-Berlin. His two sons had been arrested in a street riot during the 68-student revolt. They were communists, and the press was interested in Mr. Brandt´s reaction, mostly because of him beiing a socialdemocrat. And that was his answer...

But Churchill had many good quotes of course...

[Commie Rat]

i dont plan to live to 40, , ,

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2005, 04:16 PM
And like the good socialdemocrat Willy Brandt once said: If you are not a communist when you are twenty, you are heartless. If you are still a communist when you are forty, you are brainless... :)
A good socialdemocrat? He sounds like a jerk; I wouldn't call a "socialdemocrat," brainless, that just isn't nice, no reason for such unpleasantness. Actually I wouldn't even call a nazi brainless; I'd find more colorful words ;)

Do you have something against communism? Just wondering...

[jenar]

Originally posted by 313C7 [email protected] 11 2005, 02:12 AM
Do you have something against communism? Just wondering...
No, nothing. I do not believe in armed revolution, but a natural evolution toward communism would be the ultimate democrasy, where freedom, equality and brotherhood of man would rule out anything we´ve ever known. Where words like "prize and property" would no longer exist.
Communism is far from dead. The idea exists, and every social idea ever made by the human mind can be put to praxis, as long as everyone agrees on it. The evolution of the human mind on the other hand, has not reached so far as beeing ready to be elevated up to the next level, not yet.
So, the next best thing is to become a socialdemocrat. That means to make society more equal, trough democratic channels, and to recognice capitalism as a tool to get to that goal.
As you get older, you also realise, that there are not blacks and whites only - there are lots of grays in beetveen... ;)

[Black Dagger]

but a natural evolution toward communism would be the ultimate democrasy, where freedom,

Why would the ruling class allow themselves to 'evolve' out of existence? They have the power, they control the means of production, the military, and this power is going to evaporate over time? Why would they let that happen?




equality and brotherhood of man would rule out anything we´ve ever known.

What about women?

[ahhh_money_is_comfort]

Originally posted by 313C7 iVi4RX+Jun 6 2005, 06:45 AM--> (313C7 iVi4RX @ Jun 6 2005, 06:45 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2005, 11:03 PM
Not to worry, as long as there is no violent revolution, you need not worry. I'm only after the violent commies. Plus I'm here to protect the good commies from the Stalinist. You should thank me.
...
Oh quite contrare. I support a revolution, but not by fake commies. I welcome a future were I can gravitate to work I enjoy. I welcome the idea of control of my own labor. I'm not going to risk internal sabotage from Stalinist. That is why I'm planning to pop anyone who has any violent tendancies or ambition. I'm supporting the pacificist and the communal hippies who will treat thier fellow man with respect, social justice, and brotherly love. Those things you don't get from commies with ambition or violence. Hence the need to cull the herd of these people.

So whose side are you on? The fake bougouise commies or are you with the protelaria
Interesting; this seems to be different from some of your earlier posts.
So you would shoot those using violence to defend themselves?
What of those using force to suppress viable targets in battle such as military, police or any other counter revolutionaries? You do know that you will be a non-pacifist right? Are you going to be shooting yourself?
The ruling class WILL be using force to suppress any communist movement (the closer we get, the more desperate they will be), so "pacificist[s] and the communal hippies," will either decide to put up a fight or be murdered in mass (unless the rest of us defend them).


[email protected] 5 2005, 09:57 PM
death to marxism!

What the fuck? Do you know what Marxism is? Whether you agree or disagree with Marxism, the precepts are based on reason and so you might as well be saying "death to the theory of evolution." Where would we be without Marxism? [/b]
No no no. Let me clarify. I'm not a pacificist. I support pacificism. I support the most socially just and righteous people in communism, the communal hippies. I plan to shoot anyone who opposses the real communist, the hippies. Everyone else is an ambitious Stalinist. Then I will do my own thing and gravitate towards my best job and leave the real communist to establish a workers paradise. Anyone who stands in the hippies way, I plan to shoot. I'm not a hippie. I just prefer to have real communist establishing communism, not some fake communist trying to satisify thier own ambitions and hunger for power.

[LSD]

Stop spamming. <_<

[ahhh_money_is_comfort]

Originally posted by Lysergic Acid [email protected] 11 2005, 05:37 PM
Stop spamming. <_<
I&#39;m serious.

Who are real communist? Who are the only ones living communally? Who are the only ones treating each other with justice and respect? Who are the only ones who have stable and long term communal societies?

Hippies.

Everyone else is a fake communist who only THINK they know how communism works. The hippies figured it out and make it work.

[Elect Marx]

No no no. Let me clarify. I&#39;m not a pacificist. I support pacificism. I support the most socially just and righteous people in communism, the communal hippies. I plan to shoot anyone who opposses the real communist, the hippies. Everyone else is an ambitious Stalinist.

Ah; so you are either a hypocrite or a liar.

[cubist]

my preparations were easy, i know what side i am going to be on thats all the preparations you need

[MarxItUpSome]

Non-violent revolution. No need for tanks.

[Paradox]

I&#39;m a shape-shifter, so I don&#39;t really need weapons. I turn into a bird and fly to the homes of my enemies where I change into a spider or scorpion and kill them in their sleep. Then I escape after changing into a bird once more and fly away. The perfect crimes. :ph34r:

Seriously though, anyone dumb enough to post any "actions" or "preparations" they&#39;re taking for revolution in response to questions like this, I find amusing and stupid. You don&#39;t share this type of information with enemies, you know? :P

[ahhh_money_is_comfort]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2005, 01:00 AM
I&#39;m a shape-shifter, so I don&#39;t really need weapons. I turn into a bird and fly to the homes of my enemies where I change into a spider or scorpion and kill them in their sleep. Then I escape after changing into a bird once more and fly away. The perfect crimes. :ph34r:

Seriously though, anyone dumb enough to post any "actions" or "preparations" they&#39;re taking for revolution in response to questions like this, I find amusing and stupid. You don&#39;t share this type of information with enemies, you know? :P
I can put 10/10 shots into a head sized target from 600 yards with a .308. My targets know I&#39;m there. They can not do a thing about it. Everyone has to go to the grocery store, visit the dentist, or eat at a restaruant some time. There are millions of places to hide within a 600 yard circle in any urban environment. Don&#39;t worry, only Stalinist or any one with ambition has to worry about me.

[ahhh_money_is_comfort]

Originally posted by 313C7 [email protected] 12 2005, 10:52 AM

No no no. Let me clarify. I&#39;m not a pacificist. I support pacificism. I support the most socially just and righteous people in communism, the communal hippies. I plan to shoot anyone who opposses the real communist, the hippies. Everyone else is an ambitious Stalinist.

Ah; so you are either a hypocrite or a liar.
Please stop spaming.

[Patchy]

I&#39;m not down with armed revolution. When the time comes, if it even comes in my lifetime, I will rise up and offer what services I can to what will hopefully, finally, be a greater tommorow free of oppression, starvation, and suffering.

But no weapons. The only way I would participate in an armed revolution is if it was absolutely necessary. A prime example of this is Uzbekistan*, where the military mowed down hundreds of unarmed civilians. Thats complete bullshit.

They didn&#39;t even have time to arm themselves.

All I&#39;m trying to say is that revolutions do not have to involve bloodshed. But if weapons are pointed at us, then weapons must be ready to point back.

Sadly.

[ahhh_money_is_comfort]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2005, 04:55 AM
I&#39;m not down with armed revolution. When the time comes, if it even comes in my lifetime, I will rise up and offer what services I can to what will hopefully, finally, be a greater tommorow free of oppression, starvation, and suffering.

But no weapons. The only way I would participate in an armed revolution is if it was absolutely necessary. A prime example of this is Uzbekistan*, where the military mowed down hundreds of unarmed civilians. Thats complete bullshit.

They didn&#39;t even have time to arm themselves.

All I&#39;m trying to say is that revolutions do not have to involve bloodshed. But if weapons are pointed at us, then weapons must be ready to point back.

Sadly.
Can I propose an alternate?

Lead by example.

If you cause really is just and right, people will flock to your cause. It will be obvious to everyone that you are on the moral high ground. Thus take one for humanity and walk into those bullets.

[jenar]

Originally posted by Black [email protected] 11 2005, 10:53 AM

but a natural evolution toward communism would be the ultimate democrasy, where freedom,

Why would the ruling class allow themselves to &#39;evolve&#39; out of existence? They have the power, they control the means of production, the military, and this power is going to evaporate over time? Why would they let that happen?




equality and brotherhood of man would rule out anything we´ve ever known.

What about women?
The ruling class will not "allow" anything here. But if you think of history, than you´ll see, that the aristocrats with their king "evolved" out of power. This ruling class, paying no taxes was put aside, as the new class of citizens creating the national welth, came to power. In some places they had armed revolutions, f.ex. in France. In other countries this happened trough "evolution" of society...

Exactly in the same way, the working class will evolve to ruling posision, because the working class creates the national welth...

The comment about brotherhood of man - well, what about sisterhood of women...? ;)

[TC]

...I&#39;m stock piling diet coke in case the CocaCola corporation is a casulity of the revolution...or not.

[cubist]

Please stop spaming.

lmao the restriced don&#39;t want us to spam there threads,

oh the irony

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2005, 07:15 AM
Please stop spaming.

lmao the restriced don&#39;t want us to spam there threads,

oh the irony
Yes :lol: I make a relevant comment on his statement and I am spamming. I think he responds to what I said or gets a warning point the next time he makes an irrelevant or tangential comment as he so often does; so yes, I think I am going to stand by the "hypocrite," part.

[ahhh_money_is_comfort]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2005, 12:57 PM
...I&#39;m stock piling diet coke in case the CocaCola corporation is a casulity of the revolution...or not.
Not to worry, you see. A communist worker, gravitating towards thier favorite job and working just the amount of hours they want to work, is going to outproduce a capitalis worker. Don&#39;t you see, it is sooooo obvious. A society of people doing just the amount and the kind of work they want can out produce a society of capitalist workers. Thus there will be an overproduction of goods, including diet Coke. You see.

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by ahhh_money_is_comfort+Jun 15 2005, 06:09 PM--> (ahhh_money_is_comfort @ Jun 15 2005, 06:09 PM)
[email protected] 13 2005, 12:57 PM
...I&#39;m stock piling diet coke in case the CocaCola corporation is a casulity of the revolution...or not.
Not to worry, you see. A communist worker, gravitating towards thier favorite job and working just the amount of hours they want to work, is going to outproduce a capitalis worker. Don&#39;t you see, it is sooooo obvious. A society of people doing just the amount and the kind of work they want can out produce a society of capitalist workers. Thus there will be an overproduction of goods, including diet Coke. You see. [/b]
I like how you don&#39;t explain and somehow imply that there could be no rational explanation by not addressing the mater; that is so witty of you.

In a communist society; people won’t be worthless economically, so using technology to phase out menial work will be possible. All you really need is people to maintain the equipment for production and not too many really.

[Commie Rat]

would we still have coke in a Communist society?
it is like post war Germany haveing statues of Hitler

[seraphim]

this thread is crap if anyone was genuinely prepaing for the revolution they wouldn&#39;t reveal it anyway, what a dumb question to ask&#33;

[slim]

Im not too sure. Those that want revolution need to organise support. How to organise support- reveal some of your intentions.

[ahhh_money_is_comfort]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2005, 03:06 PM
Im not too sure. Those that want revolution need to organise support. How to organise support- reveal some of your intentions.
I plan to work alone and in secret shooting Stalinist while they are having dinner. We can not have Stalinist threaten the revolution, the sooner they are popped, the better off we all are. So anyone with ambition or any kind of signs of political power grabbing, is going to get popped. This I will do for the benefit of the revolution. It is an effort to keep the revolution pure from fake communist. It is always the fake communist who ruin everything. The fake communist must be purged quickly, they seem to rise to power very quickly and ruin everything.

[Seeker]

Speaking of a tank vanguard . . .

http://planetside.station.sony.com/howto/vehicles.jsp
(then click on "tanks", one of them is named "Vanguard" but cannot be linked to)



PlanetSide is about as close as you can get to a military training platform that allows international cooperation over the internet in combined arms (infantry, jeeps, tanks, and planes working in tandem) simulations. At one point before I woke up I was part of a clan in that game.

After our clan&#39;s Vanguard division had neutralized the enemy&#39;s static defenses, the commander of the 1st Armored would give the go-ahead over the Command voice-headset channel. My unit would then charge across some open ground toward the side entrance to breech the enemy compound (talking to eachother the whole way through) and disable the machine that allowed the enemy to respawn within that compound. The rag-tag ronin that had been throwing themselves at the front gates were allowed in, and we relied on them to reach our position deep within the compound before whatever enemies left alive in there could kill our small team of specialists and repair the machine.

That kind of an effort requires teamwork, and teams often require captains to be able to make quick decisions. Before you go around sniping anyone who tries to be a community leader, ask yourself "what is the mechanism or tool that allows the Authoritarian enemy to come to power."

I suspect a true Stalinist can be distinguished from someone who wants to lead a campaign to persuade the communes for miles around to pitch in their labor and build a new geothermal power plant to help charge fully automated industry.

In the proposed hypothetical post-revolutionary world, if an ambitious man became violent or coercive, it would be appropriate to respond in kind.

[subcal]

Originally posted by A Free [email protected] 03, 2005 05:11 am
I am intrested to know if you self professing revolutionarys have done any preparation for the revolution. By preparations I mean have you aquired effetive assult weapons including anti tank and anti air weapons or if you or your political associations can even aquire these weapons and also if you train with any leftist millita groups in your areas

if you do not then please explain why and tell me how you can see a revolution taking place ever

note the non existance of a leftist millita group in your area is not an excuse as nothing is really stoping you from starting your own (in the US anyway)
I&#39;ve got a combi, a carbine and some cannibus.

you have a big mouth, bad attitude and smell like a troll.

Why don&#39;t you tell us what you HAVE not question what we do? Why not tell us WHAT YOU DO, and HOW YOU DO IT as opposed to doing what you do?

[Janus]

Did you really have to revive this old thread? I don&#39;t even think that member is around anymore.

[OneBrickOneVoice]

talk about necromancy. The last post was a over a year ago.

[Johnny Anarcho]

Most neo-Nazi, KKK, White Nationalists, and the White Supremacist movement in general have military training. After some study I&#39;ve found that have organized militias and even have woodlands they use for practicing guerilla tactics. They are teaching hand-to-hand combat and use of fire-arms and explosives with the Anarchist Cookbook, rifles, AK-47s, etc. If they are training and organizing then we must also. If not for revolutionary purposes then for self-defense and for taking the fight to them.

[freakazoid]

Wow that was from a reeeeeeeally long time ago. Anyways I don&#39;t think that anyone who is preparing for a revolution would really talk about it here, for reasons stated earlier. But the only problem with that is that no one will know who to talk to for advice on the subject and no one will know who to link up with when it does happen. Anyways I am not preparing for the revolution, I am more preparing for the TEOTWAWKI event. Get some friends, gear, and know-how and you should be set. Here is a link with links to many different websites on different subjects related to survival, http://pamedia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=525

[RNK]

Like Johnny pointed out, right-wing paramilitary groups with memberships numbering in the tens of thousands are fully capable of training and maintaining large military forces completely within the confines of bourgeoisie law. Surely we can do the same, even if it is something as simple as launching a Revolutionary gun club, getting membership, and organizing the same types of "survival" and "paramilitary training" that organizations like the Michigican Militia and KKK do.

For any serious about partaking in Revolutionary actions I&#39;d suggest getting together with a group or Party and trying to develop such a gun club or other legal non-profit organization tooled around offering training services to revolutionaries. Obviously its idiotic to suggest or expect individuals to be able to do this. It would cost tens of thousands of dollars to launch such an organization.

[Aeturnal Narcosis]

Originally posted by A Free [email protected] 03, 2005 05:11 am
I am intrested to know if you self professing revolutionarys have done any preparation for the revolution. By preparations I mean have you aquired effetive assult weapons including anti tank and anti air weapons or if you or your political associations can even aquire these weapons and also if you train with any leftist millita groups in your areas

if you do not then please explain why and tell me how you can see a revolution taking place ever

note the non existance of a leftist millita group in your area is not an excuse as nothing is really stoping you from starting your own (in the US anyway)
me personally, i don&#39;t believe the revolution will come in my life time. as far as the warfare you&#39;re speaking of, i feel that might be avoidable, though it&#39;s not probable.

american communists are aware that our government disagrees with our intentions, no matter how peaceful or beneficial they may be. stockpiling assault weapons and explosives will get us imprisoned, and imprisonment hinders our progress like no ther.

fascists stockpile weapons and some actually plan on attacking people.

we communists stockpile information and actually plan on helping the people.

as far as a violent revolution... that would be the last stage of transition from capitalism to socialism; violence will only be necessary because the capitalists will not give up easily, and they control the government.

i debated this subject with violencia.proletariat. i believe that we should use information to gain the support the people, use solidarity to empower the people, utilise the people&#39;s power to control the government (though, this power over the government is extremely limited), and begin the peaceful stage of the revolution, in which we will attempt to peacefully gain control of the economy and bring the people real democracy. this, however, will probably not work to the extent that we seek; at this point, we will have to use whatever ammount of power we have consolidated to set limits on the government&#39;s power (and, as well, set limits on the capitalists&#39; power to deploy the government in their fights). with the government limited (so the capitalists can&#39;t utilise the government&#39;s military might to destroy us), the violent stage of the revolution will begin.

i believe the violent stage will pass quickly: with the mass of the working class aware of their situation, will we be able to lead them in a nation-wide revolt (possibly violent, but morelikely in the form of riots and strikes) in which the bourgeois will succumb.

as far as preparing for the revolution, this is my contribution: information. i inform everyone i know of what communism really means (as opposed to the dictatorshit as which it is displayed by the media), and what it can do for them. i have yet to find anybody who disagrees, and in fact have even turned a few of the guys i work with into independant communists.

[Johnny Anarcho]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28, 2006 01:28 am
Like Johnny pointed out, right-wing paramilitary groups with memberships numbering in the tens of thousands are fully capable of training and maintaining large military forces completely within the confines of bourgeoisie law. Surely we can do the same, even if it is something as simple as launching a Revolutionary gun club, getting membership, and organizing the same types of "survival" and "paramilitary training" that organizations like the Michigican Militia and KKK do.

For any serious about partaking in Revolutionary actions I&#39;d suggest getting together with a group or Party and trying to develop such a gun club or other legal non-profit organization tooled around offering training services to revolutionaries. Obviously its idiotic to suggest or expect individuals to be able to do this. It would cost tens of thousands of dollars to launch such an organization.
If the National Alliance and Aryan Nations can do it then we can too. The only to groups who&#39;d consider it would be the PLP or the RCP; as much as I dont like them I feel we need to settle our differences as American Communists and get to work.

[kifl]

I&#39;m buying books.

Though i will buy a some type weapon in canada. and i will train and if I have sons and daughters I will train them also.

Also do nottry to buy weapons in japan. cause the&#39;re hard to buy and the yakuza are the only ones that supply. also japan is fascist state when it comes to prisons. and the nationalists are fucking nuts.

[Knight of Cydonia]

whoa guys you&#39;re such a lucky revolutionist...coz here at my country,Indonesia...we can&#39;t afford such heavy weapon like that....
even though i&#39;m dreaming holding that most favorite weapon in top ten warzone (AK-47) :blush:

and here in Indonesia we can only take revolution action by doing some campaign or protest,and maybe made some political party...i wonder when did Indonesia have some Communist Party? :unsure:

[Johnny Anarcho]

Originally posted by knight of [email protected] 09, 2006 05:37 pm
whoa guys you&#39;re such a lucky revolutionist...coz here at my country,Indonesia...we can&#39;t afford such heavy weapon like that....
even though i&#39;m dreaming holding that most favorite weapon in top ten warzone (AK-47) :blush:

and here in Indonesia we can only take revolution action by doing some campaign or protest,and maybe made some political party...i wonder when did Indonesia have some Communist Party? :unsure:
History of the Communist Party of Indonesia (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Indonesia)

[Knight of Cydonia]

Originally posted by Johnny [email protected] 11, 2006 10:17 pm
History of the Communist Party of Indonesia (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Indonesia)
thanks for the link Jonny,but it doesn&#39;t work :(

[LuXe]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Indonesia

There

[Johnny Anarcho]

Resistance Tools & Resource Links (http://www.greenanarchy.info/resistance.php#gorilla)

Some of these sources are from right-wing, authoritarian web sites. You can separate the propaganda from the useful information. All of this is for information and educational purposes only of course. After clicking the link I&#39;ve provided, there should be several resource links on the bottom of the page. They have extremely high-quality information and they are very reliable.

[La Comédie Noire]

Sheesh people talk about "the" reveloution as if it were jugment day or something equally ridiculous. I don&#39;t like saying "the" reveloution I like saying revolution or revolutions. Also not "when" it comes but "if" it comes.

So if Socialist revolutions cover the face of the globe than I will welcome them with loaded gun and fit body. I&#39;m also reading survival guides.

[Johnny Anarcho]

It will come. Marx scientifically proved it and Trotsky with other Marxists (except for Lenin, Stalin, or Mao) verified it. Its only a matter of when Capitalism becomes bloated to the point that nobody accepts it anymore. Just prepare and wait.

[La Comédie Noire]

Marx also pointed out it could end in the "ruins of the contending classes". Also just because Capitalism fails doesnt nessicarily mean people will have open arms for socialism. During the great depression Facism & State Capitalism sustained many people. These are what we call "counter revelutionarys" and they are a big part of the battle.

But your enthusiasm is much appreciated.

[Johnny Anarcho]

State Capitalism would only happen as a stage of Dialect, the United States is the most Capitalist of all nations and so State Capitalism or Fascism arent possibilities.

[RGacky3]

Preparing for a revolutoin? I don&#39;t know did the french people &#39;prepare&#39; for the french revolution? Was the rebellion in Oaxaca &#39;prepared&#39; more than a couple months in advance? I&#39;m not preparing for one, I&#39;m doing what I can to try and help it along. i.e. encoureging workers to organise, to the best of my ability. Most Socialists don&#39;t have this view that a revolution will come out of nowhere, you you better be ready. Most believe it must be pushed and pushed and fought for, and that Capitalism must be attacked and attacked before something happens. I consider myself an anarcho-syndicalist so I think workers organising is the best way to Socialism, and you don&#39;t need to &#39;prepare&#39; for that, just be a part of it.

[rouchambeau]

Chatting on a shity "revolutionary" forum is 90% of the work. We hope to achieve critical mass by posting our 30,000,000th comment.

[Johnny Anarcho]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17, 2007 01:57 am
Preparing for a revolutoin? I don&#39;t know did the french people &#39;prepare&#39; for the french revolution? Was the rebellion in Oaxaca &#39;prepared&#39; more than a couple months in advance? I&#39;m not preparing for one, I&#39;m doing what I can to try and help it along. i.e. encoureging workers to organise, to the best of my ability. Most Socialists don&#39;t have this view that a revolution will come out of nowhere, you you better be ready. Most believe it must be pushed and pushed and fought for, and that Capitalism must be attacked and attacked before something happens. I consider myself an anarcho-syndicalist so I think workers organising is the best way to Socialism, and you don&#39;t need to &#39;prepare&#39; for that, just be a part of it.
Are you with the IWW? I&#39;ve been trying to figure out what their policy is with unemployed students.

[Johnny Anarcho]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17, 2007 03:33 am
Chatting on a shity "revolutionary" forum is 90% of the work. We hope to achieve critical mass by posting our 30,000,000th comment.
Shut up, what do you do thats so much better. This is a place of organizing, making contact with comrades abroad, sharing information and tactics, and keeping contact between members of different organizations.

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17, 2007 03:33 am
Chatting on a shity "revolutionary" forum is 90% of the work. We hope to achieve critical mass by posting our 30,000,000th comment.
Oh fuck off you mouth breather, the fact you&#39;re from RAAN and appear to have the mental capacity of a small goldfish (as evidenced by your vapid sig and your insistance on posting these vacuos one liners) shows exactly how much respect should be accorded to you.

[rouchambeau]

d00dz this is sweet. we have liek 2 more comments for teh revolushun&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;11

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17, 2007 11:09 pm
d00dz this is sweet. we have liek 2 more comments for teh revolushun&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;11
Do you have any friends, like, at all?

[rouchambeau]

Are you going to report me yet for being "anti-worker"?

[freakazoid]

Do you have any friends, like, at all?

I have only a few people I would call friends, :&#39;(

Anyways, the revolution is comming, and sooner than you might think. I believe that it will come when the TEOTWAWKI happens, but only if we are prepaired. Anybody want to go and meet up at the next Knob Creek Machine Gun Shoot on April 13-15? It is in Kentucky near West Point. I&#39;m looking for people who could help talking to people about communism/anarchism. And for people who are serious about prepairing for the coming revolution. http://www.knobcreekrange.com/

I believe that the revolution will be when the TEOTWAWKI happens, and I believe that that will be in the form a a major economic collapse, think the depression but a whole lot worse. And it will more than likely happen due to the lack of oil. The whole economy is based on the easy supply of oil. There isn&#39;t a very much left of it and if something was to happen to it even today that would cause a major problem. Without oil there is no gas. Without gas trucks can&#39;t ship goods across the country. Gas prices would shoot up into the very high numbers which would mean that ordinary people would all of a sudden not be able to purchas it. The prices of food would also go up really high. So high that ordinary people would start to not be able to purchase food and goods. And because of this citys would become death traps because all of there resourses come from someplace else. And then society as we know it would crumble. And it is through this chaos that our revolution could happen, but only if we are prepaired to take controle of the situation.

Are you prepaired to not only survive the TEOTWAWKI but also to help in the revolution?

[fashbash]

You can&#39;t prepare for the revolution, any more than you can prepare for, say, a hurricane. The revolution may or may not come, but when it does it will come without warning. It will not come as the Communist revolution either, as no revolution has ever done. Revolutions start off as riots, and then grow. Unless of course, we aim to artificially induce a revolution.

For that to happen, we need three things to happen:
1) The media must become leftist itself
2) The &#39;people&#39; must realise that they are being shit on from a great height by the rulers
3) The idea, theory, and face of Communism must change. How can we convince people to share the wealth, and giveip property if for the first time ever, the proletariat are able to own their homes?

[t_wolves_fan]

Asking for an extra hour before bedtime, and finding backup dealers.

:ph34r:

[freakazoid]

You can&#39;t prepare for the revolution, any more than you can prepare for, say, a hurricane.

Umm... you can prepare for a hurricane. And you can also prepare for the revolution.


It will not come as the Communist revolution either, as no revolution has ever done. Revolutions start off as riots, and then grow.

Yup, like the TEOTWAWKI event that I have spoken of. If we are prepared to take controle of the situation the revolution will occure. But that will not happen as long as people say that there is no need to prepare. It is coming.

[t_wolves_fan]

Yup, like the TEOTWAWKI event that I have spoken of.

What&#39;s that and...


It is coming.

When?

[Johnny Anarcho]

Originally posted by Jazzratt+January 17, 2007 10:52 pm--> (Jazzratt @ January 17, 2007 10:52 pm)
[email protected] 17, 2007 03:33 am
Chatting on a shity "revolutionary" forum is 90% of the work. We hope to achieve critical mass by posting our 30,000,000th comment.
Oh fuck off you mouth breather, the fact you&#39;re from RAAN and appear to have the mental capacity of a small goldfish (as evidenced by your vapid sig and your insistance on posting these vacuos one liners) shows exactly how much respect should be accorded to you. [/b]
I like the RAAN, their direct-action tactics and autonomous-cell structure is a model to be followed.

[Johnny Anarcho]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18, 2007 10:00 am
You can&#39;t prepare for the revolution, any more than you can prepare for, say, a hurricane. The revolution may or may not come, but when it does it will come without warning. It will not come as the Communist revolution either, as no revolution has ever done. Revolutions start off as riots, and then grow. Unless of course, we aim to artificially induce a revolution.

For that to happen, we need three things to happen:
1) The media must become leftist itself
2) The &#39;people&#39; must realise that they are being shit on from a great height by the rulers
3) The idea, theory, and face of Communism must change. How can we convince people to share the wealth, and giveip property if for the first time ever, the proletariat are able to own their homes?
You can prepare by knowing what to do when the event takes place. Preparing doenst neccessarily mean being ready when it comes, it can also mean working to bring it about. So the real question is, what are you doing to create revolution?

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by Johnny Anarcho+January 19, 2007 04:40 pm--> (Johnny Anarcho @ January 19, 2007 04:40 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 17, 2007 10:52 pm

[email protected] 17, 2007 03:33 am
Chatting on a shity "revolutionary" forum is 90% of the work. We hope to achieve critical mass by posting our 30,000,000th comment.
Oh fuck off you mouth breather, the fact you&#39;re from RAAN and appear to have the mental capacity of a small goldfish (as evidenced by your vapid sig and your insistance on posting these vacuos one liners) shows exactly how much respect should be accorded to you.
I like the RAAN, their direct-action tactics and autonomous-cell structure is a model to be followed. [/b]
I don&#39;t like the model at all, it does not allow for an effective leadership of direction, it mainly allows for groups to commit small to medium sized direct action attacks with little fear of jeopordising an entire network. I can see the RAANite structure being useful in some places but not all.

It&#39;s not just the sturcture I have a problem with though, they accept primitivists in their ranks for a start, this is as fucking bad as a socialist group letting national socialists into their ranks .I have yet to see any report of useful RAAN related actions. Even other anarchists have said their greatest contribution to anarchist politics is parkour for fuck&#39;s sake, glorified running around for hip, young, vapid imbeciles and assorted crayon munching, moronic hangers-on. Their other two famous actions are one in which a related cell attacked a strip club, a pointless little piece of anti-worker crap, but what else can you expect from an organistaion that knows fuck all about the proletariat. The other famous one was an attack on an RCP stall, now I don&#39;t love the RCP at all - for the most part they strike me as a petty and useless little waste of time but they should not expect unprovoked attacks from hormonal, teenage anarchist losers with all the sense of dead fucking wombats but some "hardXcore parkour skillz, man&#33;".

Also reading their writings on leninists is distrubing they seem to have lost sight of our real fucking enemies, namely the capitalists and those that want to drag us further back - nameley the fascists and primitivists.

...that&#39;s by no means my full critique, but it&#39;s all I feel needs saying at this point.

[freakazoid]

QUOTE
Yup, like the TEOTWAWKI event that I have spoken of.



What&#39;s that and...



/me smacks head Sometimes I forget that I am not talking to fellow survivalists.The End Of The World As We Know It, also a really good REM song. :D



QUOTE
It is coming.



When?

Soon. It&#39;s not like I can give you an exact date. In our lifetime? Most definitely. I give a very rough guestimate of a few decades.


they accept primitivists in their ranks for a start

Whats wrong with primitivists?

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2007 03:37 am

they accept primitivists in their ranks for a start

Whats wrong with primitivists?
Everything they advocate. For a start it would result in the deaths of millions, if not billions of people, it is inherently anti-progressive and it is all based on some idiot hard-on for the past. It&#39;s a load of bollocks and worse than that it&#39;s a load of bollocks that will result in shorter life expecencies, a new dark age and diseases that we can cure quite easily today becoming deadly threats once more.