Is there room for peaceable debates & discussions?

[AlphaGeneric]

While I am a newly registered member, I would like to inform you that I am a White Nationalist. You may be wondering why I bothered to register. Well, I registered in order to have peaceful debates and discussions amongst those of your ideologies and those of mine. Do I intend to bash or show blind hatred of your beliefs? No, I do not. I respect your beliefs, and hopefully you respect mine in return.

When I stated that I am a White Nationalist, you might have already labeled be as a nazi, neo-nazi, fascist, bigot, racist, or other such derogatory terms used by the media. I am neither of those. <_< A White Nationalist is one who wishes to preserve their race and nation as a whole. WN&#39;s do not want to kill every other race out of existence as so many believe (Thanks to the baised media). While some do want to see "mongrel" races abolished, I personally do not. I admire many cultures such as those of Asia and South America. With that said, do I want to live in an integrated society with them? No, I again, do not. I don&#39;t see any positive outcomes as "racism" is active within all races, and there can never be true equality without some form of global control (even then, someone is bound to be oppressed). If you think I am still an "ignorant racist", then please, ask questions and I will answer them in whole truthfully. (I can obviously see that this paragraph is in a way, contradicting my belief on equality and the label of "racist",but I wouldn&#39;t mind explaining it further, as it may look confusing at first.)

I did not come here to automatically get banned, but to debate many topics within peaceful reasoning. I also came here to understand your ideologies even better aswell.

Hopefully I will not get banned by next morning, but accepted and respected as I have done towards you all.

[Commie Girl]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[encephalon]

As nice as you&#39;re trying to be, I&#39;ll inform you now that none of us here are likely to respect your beliefs. You might get lucky and not be banned, but I wouldn&#39;t wholly count on it.

At least you posted in the OI automatically.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

While I am a newly registered member, I would like to inform you that I am a White Nationalist. You may be wondering why I bothered to register. Well, I registered in order to have peaceful debates and discussions amongst those of your ideologies and those of mine. Do I intend to bash or show blind hatred of your beliefs? No, I do not. I respect your beliefs, and hopefully you respect mine in return.

I&#39;ll be blunt with you. I personally find your political beliefs disgusting and savagely primitive to say the least, and doubtless you could say similarly nasty things about my own politics. But if you want a polite conversation, I won&#39;t stop you. The admins might take offence at your ideology and summarily ban you without consulting the rest of us, a typical knee-jerk reaction that I do not agree with one bit, but what is one man to do?

As a note to the admins, I personally believe that if this member adheres to the TOS that he/she should be allowed to stay.


I did not come here to automatically get banned, but to debate many topics within peaceful reasoning. I also came here to understand your ideologies even better aswell.

Hopefully I will not get banned by next morning, but accepted and respected as I have done towards you all.

My main gripe with WNism (Apart from the rampant anti-semitism, widespread belief in &#39;racial superiority&#39; &#39;racial purity&#39; and other such meaningless concepts* as well as the Odinist/pagan rubbish that seems popular) is that I have yet to see a viable method of establishing a white nation without mass deportation. You&#39;ll have to kick quite a few people out, and I say that because you cannot convince every single non-white 2nd generation immigrant to leave their place of birth.

I suppose you could set up your own sovereign nation, but I have no clue as to how one goes about that, as I would assume it would not be as simple as buying huge swathes of land - you&#39;re still subject to the jurisdiction of whatever nationstate you happen to buy the land in.

*Please don&#39;t claim that I think this due to &#39;media bias&#39; - I&#39;ve heard it straight from the mouths of self-professed WNs, and from a lot of them.

I await your reply with bated breath.

[RedAnarchist]

I disagree with your views personally and find them degrading to humanity, but at least you seem civilised enough to be able to debate with us. As long as you dont break any rules, why shouldnt you stay here? (you&#39;ll probably be restricted to this OI area, sorry).

[Taiga]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2005, 10:39 AM
I admire many cultures such as those of Asia and South America. With that said, do I want to live in an integrated society with them? No, I again, do not.
Could you please specify why?

[Sir Aunty Christ]

AlphaGeneric, I hope that you are one of the VERY few intelligent and rational rascists (or whatever term you wish to use) that I have come across. If you are, and if you&#39;re prepared to stick to the rules of the board, then I look forward to debating with you.

Let me just outline my views. Essentially, at our core, we are all the same. There may be biological and, indeed, within communities, cultural differences but the same things affect all of us. Global Warming will harm Chinese people as much as it will harm White people. Poverty hits all races as a result of the Capitalist system (which, no doubt, you&#39;ll try and defend at some stage). I think I&#39;m right in saying that the poorest Whites in the United States are better off than the poorest of any other race (in fact this may be true, elsewhere in the world) and the reason I believe for this is the same reason that I believe poor Protestants in Northern Ireland are better off than poor Catholics. It&#39;s a matter of domination, those who dominate the longest become the wealthiest.

Finally, let me just say that White Nationalist want to keep the the race pure but the White race (Does anyone know of a better term? I don&#39;t like using the word race all the time.) is actually a composite - or maybe simply the product of evolution after the migrations from Eastern Africa. In fact, the native inhabitants of that region are probably the most racially pure people in the world. And even then, maybe 100% due to colonialism.

My point is that racial purity hasn&#39;t existed 150 thousand years. Take a look at this weblink: Discoverchannel.com (http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/realeve/interactive/migration.html)

[Publius]

Group: banned


He was at least attempting not to sound like a racist ass, why not give him the benefit of the doubt?

Your website and all that shit, but why not crush his arguments and leave him enfeebled instead of bolstering his ego, as you&#39;ve likely done?

[RedStarOverChina]

He doesnt want to be "tainted" by being with Asians such as myself, naturally other people (including myself) wouldn&#39;t want him here to pollute the air.

[C_Rasmussen]

I personally don&#39;t see anything wrong with him being here so long as posts his conservative views in Opposing Ideologies. Isn&#39;t it kind of nice to debate with people of differing opinions?

[CEWS]

Race doesn&#39;t exist.

Nor are people inherently "racsist". Rascism is learned.

If anarchy is achieved, then oppression might well dissapear, too.

[encephalon]

I have less tolerance for racists than I do for child molestors.

[C_Rasmussen]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2005, 08:35 PM
I have less tolerance for racists than I do for child molestors.
Um, isn&#39;t that a bit extreme? just wondering

[Publius]

I have less tolerance for racists than I do for child molestors.

And I respect you less than I respect a racist.

Racism is bad, but even comparing it child molestation is a fucking joke.

Would you rather:

Be called a nigger

or

Be sodomized as a child

Well?

[Clarksist]

Yeah I think child molestors are worse than racists, compare a KKK member with Albert Fish... but anyhow.

WNs, such as yourself AlphaGeneric, are merely wanting a nation all to your white selves. Well its called the suburbs. If you don&#39;t want to be "tainted" by the rest of us, I say go lock yourselves up in your own country. Because most non-WNs hate WNs, and most WNs hate non-WNs. If you had your own country and you swore that you wouldn&#39;t leave it and you would keep to yourselves, I think it might be better for the rest of us.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I&#39;m pretty sure the guy was a racialist, not a racist

[Jersey Devil]

What is interesting is how he is banned yet another poster praising Marcus Gravey&#39;s "Back to Africa" movement would be accepted as a legitimate "leftist".

[Publius]

I&#39;m pretty sure the guy was a racialist, not a racist

Does he judge people based on their race?

If so, he&#39;s a racist, by definition.

[Forward Union]

Child to Adult relationships aren&#39;t wrong, as long as the child is aware of the situation and happy, and isn&#39;t begin exploited by the adult, then whats the problem&#33;?

[C_Rasmussen]

Originally posted by Anarcho [email protected] 2 2005, 09:10 PM
Child to Adult relationships aren&#39;t wrong, as long as the child is aware of the situation and happy, and isn&#39;t begin exploited by the adult, then whats the problem&#33;?
Yeah they are wrong if you ask me. The child is too young to be in a relationship anyway. I mean unless they are teens they aren&#39;t ready in my opinion.

[Clarksist]

Originally posted by Anarcho [email protected] 2 2005, 09:10 PM
Child to Adult relationships aren&#39;t wrong, as long as the child is aware of the situation and happy, and isn&#39;t begin exploited by the adult, then whats the problem&#33;?
I don&#39;t consider a child molestor someone commiting statutory rape. Since pre-pubescent children are not ready for sex physically, they usually can&#39;t comprehend it emotionally. So an adult having sex with a pre-pubescent child is probably raping the child. If not, the child is only trying to do make the adult appreciate them, which the Adult would be exploiting the child.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2005, 09:10 PM

I&#39;m pretty sure the guy was a racialist, not a racist

Does he judge people based on their race?

If so, he&#39;s a racist, by definition.
There is a difference. Racists are the ones who go around lynching coloured men for sleeping with white women. Racialists are those who believe that races exist, but does not necessarily mean they look down on them.

[RedStarOverChina]

Who&#39;s to decide? us or the child?

[Publius]

Child to Adult relationships aren&#39;t wrong, as long as the child is aware of the situation and happy, and isn&#39;t begin exploited by the adult, then whats the problem&#33;?

Children cannot be aware of the situation.

They are not mentally or emotionally ready.

Children can be manipulated to easily.

It&#39;s the kind of thing that scars a child, even if he/she doesn&#39;t quite know what&#39;s happening at the time.

I&#39;m not talking about 15-16 year olds, but pre-pubescent children.

[C_Rasmussen]

Originally posted by Clarksist+Jun 2 2005, 09:21 PM--> (Clarksist @ Jun 2 2005, 09:21 PM)
Anarcho [email protected] 2 2005, 09:10 PM
Child to Adult relationships aren&#39;t wrong, as long as the child is aware of the situation and happy, and isn&#39;t begin exploited by the adult, then whats the problem&#33;?
I don&#39;t consider a child molestor someone commiting statutory rape. Since pre-pubescent children are not ready for sex physically, they usually can&#39;t comprehend it emotionally. So an adult having sex with a pre-pubescent child is probably raping the child. If not, the child is only trying to do make the adult appreciate them, which the Adult would be exploiting the child. [/b]
Exactly then there is the exploitation issue. Isn&#39;t it sad when people have to use sex or anything for that matter to get someone to like another?

[encephalon]

And I respect you less than I respect a racist.

Racism is bad, but even comparing it child molestation is a fucking joke.

Would you rather:

Be called a nigger

or

Be sodomized as a child

Well?


I was molested as a child by a neighbor, thank you. And yet, a group of child molestors didn&#39;t enslave me or purposely oppress me for the simple fact that I was a child. Child molestation is oppression. In comparison to the organized oppression of racism, however, the profound social effect it has had is almost nil.

But in any case, you may want to consider the experiences of others before you try to demonize them as insensitive, if nothing else.

[Jersey Devil]

Again....


What is interesting is how he is banned yet another poster praising Marcus Gravey&#39;s "Back to Africa" movement would be accepted as a legitimate "leftist".

[Publius]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2005, 12:44 AM




I was molested as a child by a neighbor, thank you. And yet, a group of child molestors didn&#39;t enslave me or purposely oppress me for the simple fact that I was a child. Child molestation is oppression. In comparison to the organized oppression of racism, however, the profound social effect it has had is almost nil.

But in any case, you may want to consider the experiences of others before you try to demonize them as insensitive, if nothing else.

Appologies.

But you&#39;re comparing two different things. You can&#39;t compare an individual act of child molestation to an entire organization oppressing blacks.

It&#39;s like, a punch isn&#39;t as bad as a stab, but I&#39;d rather be stabbed once than punched 1000 times.

A single act of child molestation is worse than a single act of racism (Aside from, say, murder).

And if child rape were &#39;organized&#39; in a large manner, would you consider it worse than racism?

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

A single act of child molestation is worse than a single act of racism (Aside from, say, murder).


You can&#39;t outright claim this. It really depends on the degree of rape/racism and more important: how the person deals with it mentally. It can break one person, while make another stronger.

[Publius]

Originally posted by Non&#045;Sectarian Bastard&#33;@Jun 4 2005, 01:16 AM



You can&#39;t outright claim this. It really depends on the degree of rape/racism and more important: how the person deals with it mentally. It can break one person, while make another stronger.

Obviously.

But I&#39;m speaking in generalities here.

[Urban Rubble]

I can&#39;t believe you guys are sitting here comparing racism and sodomy. Is this something that needs to be worked out? Can&#39;t we all just be satisfied with "Yeah, they&#39;re both pretty fucking horrible".

As to the point of this thread, I don&#39;t see the harm is debating this type of thing. If he gets out of hand ban him, but I can&#39;t see the sense in an automatic ban.

[Jersey Devil]

I think it has to do with the fact that this site is based in Germany and they have strong anti-racism/nazi legislation there.

[encephalon]

Appologies.

But you&#39;re comparing two different things. You can&#39;t compare an individual act of child molestation to an entire organization oppressing blacks.

There is a difference; the former is done because the person is just fucked up. The latter is done out of hatred.



A single act of child molestation is worse than a single act of racism (Aside from, say, murder).

And if child rape were &#39;organized&#39; in a large manner, would you consider it worse than racism?


I would consider it the same thing, pretty much: one group holding power over a weaker group in order to oppress and exploit them. Granted, children may be more helpless than adult victims, but it is essentially the same thing.

Further, other than very small groups, I don&#39;t think child molestation could become an organized form of oppression. As I said before, racist acts are done out of pure hatred. Child molestation happens for ultimately more complex reasons, and usually has more to do with the individual molestor&#39;s messed up psyche than anything. Even corrections in chemical imbalances have shown child molestors to no longer act out on their fantasies (although they rarely go away).

However, the result on the individual is the same, especially since children experience racism as well as adults. The person grows up dysfunctionally, to say the least. The difference is that while victims of child molestation don&#39;t gather in groups and build a community around said dysfunction, victims of racism are already grouped together. The community itself perpetuates the dysfunction, whereas a molestation victim can come to terms with what happened a hell of a lot easier.

[encephalon]

I think it has to do with the fact that this site is based in Germany and they have strong anti-racism/nazi legislation there.

I live in the US, btw.