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Entrails Konfetti
2nd June 2005, 00:10
Its seems that he gets/got alot of bad press. I haven't read much about him,I've yet to read State and Revolution.So my views on him are hazy.
Is there a biography on Lenin you'd recomend?
Did he create the Gulag-Archaepelagio ,if so why ?
Was he responsible for the corruption of the Soviet Union ?
When he sent the letter to kick Stalin out of office,did he tell who wanted to take place of Stalin ?
Are there anyother views by other Revolutionaries on how to impliment Marxism or Communism/socialism ?
More Fire for the People
2nd June 2005, 00:23
Is there a biography on Lenin you'd recomend?
I would read these three articles:
Biography (http://marxists.org/glossary/people/l/e.htm#lenin)
Timeline of his life (http://marxists.org/archive/lenin/bio/timeline.htm)
Interview in 1919 (http://marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1919/oct/21.htm)
Did he create the Gulag-Archaepelagio ,if so why ?
Did he create the Gulag-Archaepelagio ,if so why ?
Inderctly, his assasination attempt by Fanny Kaplan contributed to the foundation of the Great Purge but otherwise no.
Was he responsible for the corruption of the Soviet Union ?
Kruschev was the person to corrupt the Soviet Union, Stalin just made it a shitty plcae to live. Lenin did not contribute.
When he sent the letter to kick Stalin out of office,did he tell who wanted to take place of Stalin ?
He said Trotsky was more qualified.
Are there anyother views by other Revolutionaries on how to impliment Marxism or Communism/socialism ?
I suggest you read the works of Rosa Luxemburg, who was a council communist.
You may want to read the works of Mao, Mao Tse-Tung Thought is considered to be an extension of Marxism-Leninism.
YKTMX
2nd June 2005, 00:29
nderctly, his assasination attempt by Fanny Kaplan contributed to the foundation of the Great Purge
The 'great purge' is the name given to Stalin's "purging" of the Old Bolsheviks and the Red Army officers in the thirties.
Kruschev was the person to corrupt the Soviet Union, Stalin just made it a shitty plcae to live. Lenin did not contribute.
It has nothing to do with Krushchev, that is a Stalinist myth. If any one man is responsible then it is Stalin, who murdered the revolution and its leaders.
You may want to read the works of Mao, Mao Tse-Tung Thought is considered to be an extension of Marxism-Leninism
Chairman Meow was a hopeless Philistine. His work is a (bad) perversion of Leninism. Avoid at all costs.
More Fire for the People
2nd June 2005, 00:44
The 'great purge' is the name given to Stalin's "purging" of the Old Bolsheviks and the Red Army officers in the thirties.
Purging was part of the gualg system.
It has nothing to do with Krushchev, that is a Stalinist myth. If any one man is responsible then it is Stalin, who murdered the revolution and its leaders.
But it was Kruschev who set up rewards for party members that sided with him and punishment for party members who were against him.
Chairman Meow was a hopeless Philistine. His work is a (bad) perversion of Leninism. Avoid at all costs.
I did not say I was an advocate of Mao, however he has interesting concepts about People's War (which I agree with him on) and contradictions.
YKTMX
2nd June 2005, 00:53
Purging was part of the gualg system.
Forgive me but I think you're a bit confused.
"Purging" means to remove dangerous elements from something. Therefore, the 'great purge' is when Stalin removed all the dangerous elements from the party and from the army. Lenin never did any such thing.
But it was Kruschev who set up rewards for party members that sided with him and punishment for party members who were against him.
Nope. All this was already in place under Stalin.
Read this if you can: Russia: From Stalin to Krushchev. (http://www.marxists.org/archive/cliff/works/1956/xx/stalintok.htm)
I did not say I was an advocate of Mao, however he has interesting concepts about People's War (which I agree with him on) and contradictions
That's fine, just don't have the belief that anything he ever did, or wrote, has anything to do with Marx or Lenin.
More Fire for the People
2nd June 2005, 01:16
Forgive me but I think you're a bit confused.
"Purging" means to remove dangerous elements from something. Therefore, the 'great purge' is when Stalin removed all the dangerous elements from the party and from the army. Lenin never did any such thing.
I did not implicate that Lenin caused the purging, but that his assisination attempt inspired purging, which led to the gulag system.
Nope. All this was already in place under Stalin.
Read this if you can: Russia: From Stalin to Krushchev.
In 1958, Khrushchev replaced Georgy Malenkov as prime minister and established himself as the undisputed leader of both state and party. He became Premier of the Soviet Union on March 27, 1958.
Sounds rather elitist.
Khruschev promoted reform of the Soviet system and began to place an emphasis on the production of consumer goods rather than on heavy industry.
Sounds rather capitalist.
In 1959 during Richard Nixon's journey to the Soviet Union, he took part in what was later known as the Kitchen Debate. Khrushchev's new attitude towards the West as a rival instead of as an evil entity alienated Mao Zedong's China.
Souns rather chauvinist.
In addition he,
Crushed the 1956 Hungarian Revolution.
Put forth the doctrine of "Peaceful co-existence" in the foreign policy, accompanied by the slogan "To catch up and overtake the West" in internal policy and economics.
Strengthened the Iron Curtain by approving the closure of the border around West Berlin, which led to East Germany's construction of the Berlin Wall in 1961.
He is not an ideal leader and a traitor to the proletarian, and he strikes me as a European-chauvinist elitist.
That's fine, just don't have the belief that anything he ever did, or wrote, has anything to do with Marx or Lenin.
Mao developed an addition to how to establish socialism in the third world, he created a Marxism-Leninism for the poor of the world.
YKTMX
2nd June 2005, 01:25
but that his assisination attempt inspired purging, which led to the gulag system.
The attempt on Lenin's life was in 1921 (I think). The purging under Stalin never happend until the mid 1930's. The two things are totally unrelated, comrade.
I agree with you that Krushchev was a bastard, a total bastard. My point is that he simply followed the line and used the methods of Stalin, of StalinISM.
Mao developed an addition to how to establish socialism in the third world, he created a Marxism-Leninism for the poor of the world.
Mao's China was not socialist, it was state-capitalist...Stalinist.
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