The Who

[codyvo]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2005, 08:57 PM

And another one is that Disney Mousekeeteer, Hillary Duff, a product of Amerikan pop culture, who did the Who's "My Generation." She should have atleast waited until The Who were dead to insult them. :blink:
I can't believe she had the audacity to do that, if Keith Moon was still alive he would eat her, cause he was crazy like that. Also, Roger Daultrey made an appearance on That 70's Show.

Personally, I think that really no cover can be better than the original, because the original was the benchmark for itself and something can't be better than itself.

[Floyd.]

codyvo:
Just look at the previous page and read the Dead Kennedys did a version of I Fought The Law which shits on all else because the meaning is the reverse of the original and it is more cynical and nihilistic.

Also the Mod movement was really fucking vain and shallow in many respects and if you ask me The Who disgrace themselves as you said the fuckstick went on That 70's Show and he's still up on stage chanting 'I hope I die before I get old' which proves the fucker never had any conviction with anything he said anway. Bands like The Who can fuck off for the most part and don't even get me started on Townshend.

Bazza:
Yeah I knew it was Belushi alright I just wondered which version he was singing. Thanks for clearing it up.

Virgin Molotov Cocktail:
It was Sid Vicious not The Pisols themselves

Bed of Nails:
Generally NIN are too self-indulgent and fashionably angsty/spooky for me. Reznor can wank it a lot and is best at heavy thumping beats broken by haunting/threatening melodics. I reckon that the only two fully accomplished albums are The Downward Spiral and The Fragile and The Downward Spiral is the better one by far. I just can't listen to The Fragile anymore it shits me too much.

Sure Hurt is a great Reznor song contextually but on it's own it doesn't really stand strong against the Cash version.

[codyvo]

Floyd: Why do you think Jello Biafra was any better than Roger Daultrey? And also, when he started singing My Generation, he was young, and saying "I hope I die before I get old," was fine. But since he isn't an emo thats gonna kill himself, he didn't die, so now he's old and theirs nothing he can do about it, but he's not just gona stop singing their best song. Also, get started on Townshend, he is one of the greatest rock song writers ever.

[Urban Rubble]

Why do you think Jello Biafra was any better than Roger Daultrey?

AHAHAHA!

How about this: One has devoted his life to left wing politics and activism, the other has devoted his life to singing songs he wrote 30 years ago to aging yuppies. The fact that you don't see a difference in the two is literally hilarious.

[Floyd.]

Ah shit you beat me to it UR.

Look I said I wouldn't get into it because this isn't the thread for it and because I really can't be fucked. Learn everything you can about The Who all their songs, everything Townshend has ever recorded and then you will realise how truly shit they are/were and that they were bandwagon jumpers to a serious movement and helped to deviate it in a fucked shallow way.

[Don't Change Your Name]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2005, 08:57 PM
And another one is that Disney Mousekeeteer, Hillary Duff, a product of Amerikan pop culture, who did the Who's "My Generation." She should have atleast waited until The Who were dead to insult them. :blink:
The Who have been insulted before - anyone remember's Limp Bizkshit's cover of "Behind Blue Eyes"? Atricious one.


Also the Mod movement was really fucking vain and shallow in many respects and if you ask me The Who disgrace themselves as you said the fuckstick went on That 70's Show and he's still up on stage chanting 'I hope I die before I get old' which proves the fucker never had any conviction with anything he said anway. Bands like The Who can fuck off for the most part and don't even get me started on Townshend.

Get lost.


Oh, and Daltrey didn't write any of The Who's "classics". Townshend wrote most of them with one or two exceptions by John "God" Entwistle.




Anyway, this is an interesting thread. However, I don't remember ever hearing an amazing cover that completely beats the original, which is probably because the only ones who can give a song their true meaning and make the idea be "clearer" is the individual who wrote it. There are some which are a bit better though:

There is one that just came to my mind: the Beatles' "I Wanna Be Your Man" was written by them for the Rolling Stones, whose version is much better than the one who later came out on "With The Beatles".

The Byrds' renditions of Bob Dylan's "All I Really Want To Do"'and "My Back Pages" are better.

R.E.M.'s cover of the Velvet Underground's "There She Goes Again" is better, which proves that the V.U. are an overrated band.

Led Zeppelin's "You Shook Me" is better than Willie Dixon's original one.

Jimi Hendrix did a good version of Dylan's "Like A Rolling Stone" too, but not much better, and a couple others.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Look I said I wouldn't get into it because this isn't the thread for it and because I really can't be fucked. Learn everything you can about The Who all their songs, everything Townshend has ever recorded and then you will realise how truly shit they are/were and that they were bandwagon jumpers to a serious movement and helped to deviate it in a fucked shallow way.

What the fuck are you talking about, man?!
What movement?
Most of their career was in 60s British invasion and 70s "classic rock", and they were easily one of the best. And neither of these were ever "serious" movements to begin with.

[codyvo]

Originally posted by Urban [email protected] 31 2005, 04:37 AM

Why do you think Jello Biafra was any better than Roger Daultrey?

AHAHAHA!

How about this: One has devoted his life to left wing politics and activism, the other has devoted his life to singing songs he wrote 30 years ago to aging yuppies. The fact that you don't see a difference in the two is literally hilarious.
We're talking about musically, not politically, and actually The Who were part of the largest anti-war movements ever, they sang at Woodstock and they have spoke out against war, the same thing that Jello Biafra does. Also, I don't know how you figure anybody that listened to the Who in their prime were yuppies, some yippies and some hippies but certainly no yuppies, the yuppies listened to whatever fuck was endorsing Nixon like Elvis.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Yuppies listened to DK too. They gained quite a bit of popularity.

[coda]

No matter how you feel about The Who, not the best band in the world, but not too bad either. "MY Generation" was pretty groundbreaking for 1965, ---but no matter how you feel about "The Who" you gotta admit the original was better than the Mousekeeteer one!

I agree -- You Shook Me was a better cover. I think LZ should have went back to their blues roots, some of the best stuff they had, instead of doing the last couple albums. Otherwise, a pretty experimental band that has influenced every other Rock band up to this day. Just my opinion. I liked the third album and Physical Graffitti too.

Hey, why don't some open a thread to discuss the merits of bands. I don't like to open threads. but I'm curious to Floyd's views of The Who, and the Mod scene and other bands. he seems to be quite the musicologist with a good grasp of music as well as everyone else here.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2005, 01:07 PM
No matter how you feel about The Who, not the best band in the world, but not too bad either. "MY Generation" was pretty groundbreaking for 1965, ---but no matter how you feel about "The Who" you gotta admit the original was better than the Mousekeeteer one!

I agree -- You Shook Me was a better cover. I think LZ should have went back to their blues roots, some of the best stuff they had, instead of doing the last couple albums. Otherwise, a pretty experimental band that has influenced every other Rock band up to this day. Just my opinion. I liked the third album and Physical Graffitti too.

Hey, why don't some open a thread to discuss the merits of bands. I don't like to open threads. but I'm curious to Floyd's views of The Who, and the Mod scene and other bands. he seems to be quite the musicologist with a good grasp of music as well as everyone else here.
Please, open threads about whatever you wanna discuss. That would be highly appreciated.
I've made threads in the past for various bands, including Jethro Tull, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Cream, Frank Zappa, and who knows what else.
You can dig those up or make new ones. I'd suggest making new ones.

[Floyd.]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2005, 05:15 AM
But Cash doesnt seem to fit into the song because he doesnt seem very self-destructive. I will give you the fact that everyone around him was dying or dead though.
You clearly have either forgotten or don't know about his drug addictions then and what a hardcore fucker he really was.

Codyvo:
What's all this emo didn't kill himself rubbish you're on about?

Anyone who is still on about The Who:
The Mod scene in it's origins is a sister scene to and belongs in part to the punk movement. I don't mean Pistols, Ramones or Saints type thing either I mean The Clash and early english punk that was influenced by Reggae and was closer to ska than what we now call punk, I mean stuff like The Specials and some of the two tone bands and I mean Madness. Mod in my opinion was a step in the wrong direction it was for the most part about fucking image and being seen and I think all sincerity The Who expressed was fake and that they were for the most part rubbish. Sure I'll dance to it but it doesn't mean I respect it or buy into it. The Who at best if you compile every good song they ever did I think you'd get one good album. They were really just a big pop act that got far more reverence than they deserved at the time and got sensationalised by shit like the NME and that worship has blindly carried onto the next generation of people learning/writing about music history. That's my overall problem with The Who being that they jumped on the bandwagon, were unoriginal mostly, the mod scene as a whole was vain and lacked the integrity of other punk and The Who were insincere.

Right now that the rant is over I'd like to say how the new wave mods in the form of britpop were shit for the most part too.

Townshend is a self obsessed, pretentious, prying no respect wanker for the record too. I don't think I should really need to express why if you know anything about the git.

[codyvo]

Well, I disagree. You say The Who was unoriginal, but they started in the early 60's, which was a bit before the mods. Also, their style of music was much differant than anyone else at the time, actually, their music is still very unique. If you look for music that sounds similar to theirs you'll find a few bands from the late 60's and Jet. They also had some of the best musicians around, John Entwhistle was one of the best bass players ever, Townshend was a great song-writer and a very good guitarist, Roger Daultrey had a great voice and was an overall great performer, and Keith Moon was very, kind of, Keith Moon I think is the best way to describe him.

I think I should also mention the fact that most bands perfomances starting very shortly after The Who, changed drastically. The Who were known for their great performances, they started the throwing of equipment, the bass toss (although Entwhistle was very dull sometimes), the thing where you swing your and up in a circle while playing guitar, and whirling the microphone around amongst lots of other things.

Now back on topic,

Song: Barbara Ann
Original: Beach Boys
Cover: The Who

[Floyd.]

Jet? Fuck me dead! Jet are one of the worst bands ever! Part rip off Stooges most obviously Lust For Life, part rip off The Loved Ones, HUGE rip off The Stones all these colours blended together to make shit brown.

Blur have more in common as do Oasis even with The Who that fucking Jet.

Sorry this is a bit off topic I'm going to search for a Jet thread and if I can't find one I'll create one asking for all you fuckers to out yourselves with your names and addresses so we can hunt you down, tie you down, fuck you in the arse with a broom strapped with razorblades and then force you to listen to Jet so as you relate it to great pain then we'll play you good music and give you something nice like... no more torture.

Who else is with me?

Right sorry about that, as you were.

EDIT PERFORMED AFTER THE BELOW POST: If the stuff on The Who grows much more can we please have a thread split and split the posts that are solely The Who/mod conversation related and split parts of the posts that referred solely to the aformentioned subject?

Much appreciated.

So far this thread is going incredibly well and generating conversation ripe for splits to other good threads that we already know people care about. Keep up the good work. :)

[Hegemonicretribution]

The Who also gave birth to one of the greatest ideas in rock and roll ever. The full stack. 4x12 cabinets driven by all valve amplifiers cranked to ear drum busting volume. Without these guys the tone of many later musicians would have been very different, nothing sounds quite the same as a cranked stack. Not saying ths s a great musical accomplishment but t was still groundbreaking.

In fact because of regulations it is unlikely that stage noise will ever be that loud again, I am glad I wasn't there just because I like my hearing.

[Bazza]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2005, 04:02 AM
The Mod scene in it's origins is a sister scene to and belongs in part to the punk movement.
The Mod scene came out of the late 50's jazz scene and has nothing to do with the punk movement.

[Floyd.]

But they are intrinsically linked?

[Don't Change Your Name]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2005, 04:02 AM
Sure I'll dance to it but it doesn't mean I respect it or buy into it. The Who at best if you compile every good song they ever did I think you'd get one good album.
Just to prove you wrong, I made a playlist with all their good songs excepting live tracks, good songs on Odds And Sods, the whole The Who By Numbers (who has 3 or 4 good ones, but not great ones), and their last two albums, and songs which are okay but not "highlights" (like the short songs on Tommy or things like "Goin' Mobile" which are ok but not special) and amazing bonus tracks and amazing alternative versions AND most of their singles.

The result is a 50-song playlist which goes on for 3 hours, 27 minutes and 6 seconds. Did you hear that? Those are 207 minutes of perfection, without their amazing live shows, good songs like "Naked Eye", "Water" and "Pure And Easy", and many other "minor" highlights!

That little playlist equals 5 vynils from that time. How many bands were able to do as much as that back then besides the Beatles or the Stones? Hell, how many bands were able to do that EVER?


They were really just a big pop act that got far more reverence than they deserved at the time and got sensationalised by shit like the NME and that worship has blindly carried onto the next generation of people learning/writing about music history.

Bullshit. In my country, they are almost unknown, excepting for "My Generation" and "Substitute" <_<


That&#39;s my overall problem with The Who being that they jumped on the bandwagon, were unoriginal mostly, the mod scene as a whole was vain and lacked the integrity of other punk and The Who were insincere.

Nobody gives a fuck about the "mod" scene anymore. The were very innovative, as some already pointed out here.


Townshend is a self obsessed, pretentious, prying no respect wanker for the record too. I don&#39;t think I should really need to express why if you know anything about the git.

"Argumentum ad hominem". Useless when arguing about music.

[codyvo]

Thank you, El Infintrado

Floyd: You can&#39;t deny their influence on rock and roll, and their overall impact on all of music during the time, you criticized them for not being involved like Jello, but I recently found at that Townshend, was and might still be in some huge British anti-war group. Also he is an excellent song-writer and guitarist you still haven&#39;t said whats wrong with him.

The Kids Are Alright&#33;

[Floyd.]

El Infiltr(A)do:
1.Since you actually went to the trouble I&#39;ll take your word on that playlist but I&#39;d like to see a copy of it just to see what your choices were.

2. What country are you from?

3. Inovative... hmm... influential I will readily admit to however and have never said anything contrary. I wish nobody gave a fuck about the mod scene I certainly don&#39;t pay it any creedence.

Codyvo:
Following on from your previous rubbish emo/suicide statement you are making up more rubbish, why? Or do you just not read closely?

1. Where did I once deny their influence?
2. Where did I criticize them for not being involved I said I rather a DK version of a song when you made rubbish claims about why Townshend and Daltrey are so great or something along those lines whilst insulting Jello, I then sided with somebody who pointed out why Jello is great. I also never said they weren&#39;t involved as you have claimed I said that they come across as disgenuine and all pomp and pose.

3. I haven&#39;t said what&#39;s wrong with Townshend? What does that have to do with your point and how in any way could it disprove me? I have said that he is a vain git (1 thing), unoriginal and has stolen moves (2), I don&#39;t like his music (3). Did I mention all the ego trip bullshit, delusions of grandeur, extreme self indulgence from his solo period where he did all his own instruments production and the whole lot horribly or child porn allegations and his bullshit &#39;research&#39; excuse considering the amount of material he was caught with, him prying into the Cobain estate and campaigning to release a dead mans private journals or many other examples? No I didn&#39;t because in order to defend the fucker I expect you to know more about him and his music than me and consider you to either be pointlessly stubborn because a favourite got insulted or that it is pointless because you already know all this.

As I said earlier I really can&#39;t be fucked so I won&#39;t go on about just how much of a fuckstick he is but if you want I welcome you to research the man.

[dark fairy]

i love the who and i can&#39;t belive this ***** did this... the funny thing is that im just finding out about this... but i still can&#39;t belive it...

[Roses in the Hospital]

At first the Who were fairly unoriginal. Townsend himself admits they practically stole the image of the Kinks whole sale. However, it&#39;s what they developed into that&#39;s important:

One of the most intelligent backcatalogues in rock.

Four of the most accomplished musicians of their generation.

Practically invented the concept album.

One of, if not the, best live act ever.

Obviously they&#39;ve not done anything worthwhile since Moon&#39;s death, but how many bands aside from the Stones have managed to sustain themselves for much longer than a decade?
I&#39;m not really getting this pairing of Mod and Punk either, surely they were the best part of twenty years apart of twenty years apart and one was an influence on the other rather than being &#39;sister&#39; movements.
Floyd, if you don&#39;t like the Who then that&#39;s fine, that&#39;s you&#39;re perogative. But, you&#39;re wasting your time trying to proove that they were objectivly rubbish...