Do you support Korean unification?

[El_Revolucionario]

I think North Korea and South Korea should be unified into one country, Korea. There are many in both the North and South who want this to happen.

what do you think?

[ice87]

Yes. I think sooner or later, the two Koreas will be reunited. Many south Koreans right now have relatives in North Korea. This 38th parallel seperation thing is a major obstacle to peace in the asian pacific.

[More Fire for the People]

I do not see Korean unification happening while North Korea maintains an authoritarian government.

The issue of economics is unimportant seeing as North Korea only has a subsistence economy.

[codyvo]

Like I have said before, I believe the regulations and definitions of borders should be the people's decision, not the governments'. But with the current situation, I don't tink that peace would be pheasable between the North and South Koreans. I also think that a large part of the situation becoming such is the long-standing american settling of about 40,000 soldiers. This has kept any peace talks to a minimum and fueled the fires of rage between each side.

[Matthew The Great]

As long as the people do not live under the brutal command of a maniac like Kim Jong-Il or someone like him I would support it.

[refuse_resist]

Originally posted by Matthew The [email protected] 31 2005, 02:13 AM
As long as the people do not live under the brutal command of a maniac like Kim Jong-Il or someone like him I would support it.
What about the U.S. lackeys in the south?

I support Korean unification under socialism 110%.

[Bolshevist]

I support Korean unification under socialism 110%.

So do I.

[RedAnarchist]

There will have to be two revolutions in two totally different countries first off - one to get rid of Stalinists, one to get rid of Capitalists.

And even then there will be the hard task of making the country united in more depth. Look at West and East Germany after re-unification -one rich, prosperous and a member of the EC, and the other poor, run by state capitalists and lorded over by the Soviet Union, who were pulling the strings in many nations.

Any re-unification, which i would advocate withe the condition of a united Korea being socialist, will be a long, hard and bumpy road, with many hurdles.

[Fidelbrand]

Originally posted by Lenin i [email protected] 31 2005, 02:52 PM

I support Korean unification under socialism 110%.

So do I.
I third this.

A socialist Korea is the only solution I would support.
Trying to speak in apolitical terms -------> CAPITALISM IS BORING! http://www.morethanwords.it/studenti/calshop/special8.gif

[gonzo]

there´s nothing to unite if there are no borders or nations left :P

[slim]

Sorry to bring the conversation to the ground but did you consider that the Korean War is not over yet, it is only a ceasefire.

[OleMarxco]

Even more reason to unite'em! Fuck North Korea AND South Korea is my elegant, all-covering opinion. NORTH KOREA is the bullshit "Communistic" Authitorian side of Korea, which does nothin' but GIVE US A BAD NAME.

SOUTH KOREA on the other part's a sissy-prickin', passive USuckhas bowin' to Capitalism like lil'whores, pacifistic land hardly more freely than the NORTH.

What's next, a western and eastern Korea? WE MUST STOP THIS IDIOCY UNITE 'EM ALL UNDER A FUCKIN' GODDARN SOCIALIST-KOREA! :P

[bunk]

Actually most south-Korean people have a dislike towards the American troops stationed there. :ph34r:

[Hiero]

There have been in South Korea protest over the US government being in South Korea.

http://www.cbc.ca/storyview/MSN/world/nati...rea-050529.html (http://www.cbc.ca/storyview/MSN/world/national/2005/05/29/korea-050529.html)



Yes both Korea's should be united. I actually read that geographical that it is a bad idea for Korea to be split the way it is, since most of Korea's food is produced in the south. So when N.Korea has a bad drought or flood this is why the famine in the 90's was as servere as it was.

Here is Kim Il Sung's 10 point program for reunification of Korea

To put an end to the nearly half a century of division and confrontation and reunify the country is the unanimous demand and desire of the whole nation. For the independent and peaceful reunification of the country it is necessary to achieve the great unity of the whole nation. All those who are concerned about the destiny of the nation, whether they be in the north, or in the south, or overseas, and whether they be communists or nationalists, rich or poor, atheists or believers, must unite as one nation, transcending all their differences, and together pave the way for national reunification.
Those with strength devoting their strength, those with knowledge giving their knowledge and those with money donating their money, all should make a tangible contribution to the reunification of the country and the development and prosperity of a reunified land, so putting an end to national division and displaying the dignity and honour of the reunited 70 million fellow countrymen to the world.
1. A unified state, independent, peaceful and neutral, should be founded through the great unity of the whole nation.
The north and the south should found a pan-national unified state to represent all parties, all groupings and all the members of the nation from all walks of life, while leaving the existing two systems and two governments intact. The pan-national unified state should be a federal state in which the two regional governments of the north and the south are represented equally, and an independent, peaceful and nonaligned neutral state which does not lean to any great power.

2. Unity should be based on patriotism and the spirit of national independence.
All the members of the nation should link their individual destiny with that of the nation, love their nation passionately and unite with the single desire to defend the independence of the nation. They should display dignity and pride in being members of our nation and reject sycophancy and national nihilism that erode the nation’s consciousness of independence.

3. Unity should be achieved on the principle of promoting co-existence, co-prosperity and common interests and subordinating everything to the cause of national reunification.
The north and the south should recognize and respect the existence of different beliefs, ideas and systems and achieve joint progress and prosperity, with neither side encroaching on the other. They should promote the interests of the whole nation before regional and class interests and direct every effort to the accomplishment of the cause of national reunification.

4. All political disputes that foment division and confrontation between fellow countrymen should be ended and unity should be achieved.
The north and the south should refrain from seeking or fomenting confrontation, end all political disputes between them and stop abusing and slandering each other. As fellow countrymen they should not be hostile to each other and, through the united efforts of the nation, they should counter foreign aggression and interference.

5. The fear of invasion from both south and north, and the ideas of prevailing over communism and communization should be dispelled, and north and south should believe in each other and unite.
The north and the south should not threaten and invade each other. Neither side should try to force its system on the other or to absorb the other.

6. The north and south should value democracy and join hands on the road to national reunification, without rejecting each other because of differences in ideals and principles.
They should guarantee the freedom of debate on and of activities for reunification and should not suppress, take reprisals against, persecute or punish political opponents. They should not arrest anyone because of their pro-north or pro-south tendencies and should release and reinstate all political prisoners so that they may contribute to the cause of national reunification.

7. The north and south should protect the material and spiritual wealth of individuals and organizations and encourage their use for the promotion of great national unity.
Both before reunification and after it they should recognize state ownership, cooperative ownership and private ownership and protect the capital and property of individuals and organizations, as well as all interests concerned with foreign capital. They should recognize the social reputation and qualifications of individuals in all domains including science, education, literature, the arts, public debate, the press, health care and sports, and continue to guarantee the benefits granted to people who have performed meritorious services.

8. Understanding, trust and unity should be built up across the nation through contact, exchange visits and dialogue.
All the obstacles to contact and exchange visits should be removed and the door should be opened for everyone without discrimination to undertake exchange visits. All the parties, groupings and people of all social standings should be given equal opportunities to conduct dialogue, and bilateral and multilateral dialogue should be developed.

9. The whole nation, north, south and overseas, should strengthen its solidarity for the sake of national reunification.
Things beneficial to national reunification should be supported and encouraged in an unbiased manner and things harmful to it should be rejected in the north, in the south and overseas, and all should assist and cooperate with one another, going beyond their own narrow enclosure. All political parties, organizations and the people from all walks of life in the north, in the south and overseas should be allied organizationally in the patriotic work to achieve national reunification.

10. Those who have contributed to the great unity of the nation and to the cause of national reunification should be honoured.
Special favours should be granted to those who have performed exploits for the sake of the great unity of the nation and the reunification of the country, to patriotic martyrs and to their descendants. If those who had turned their back on the nation in the past return to the patriotic road, repentant of their past, they should be dealt with leniently and assessed fairly, according to the contribution they have made to the cause of national reunification.

[kingbee]

who wouldn't support korean unification? that's what everybody on both sides wants. it's only stalled by the small matter of completely different systems of government, and the u.$ in south korea. i like kim il sung's "confederated states of koryo" idea. have any south korean leaders put forward any similar proposals?

[slim]

I agree with peace.

It wastes too much money stationing troops on the parallel for no reason. They should sign a treaty, build a new capital city (as a sign of co-operation and to save disputes over north or south capital); and get the americans out, its not their damn country.

[Andy Bowden]

What kind of unification does this 10 point plan want though? Rule by Kim Il Jong, or rule by the South Koreans? Or a democracy that decides who rules?

[Hiero]

Originally posted by Andy [email protected] 1 2005, 07:47 AM
What kind of unification does this 10 point plan want though? Rule by Kim Il Jong, or rule by the South Koreans? Or a democracy that decides who rules?
How about you read it and find out.

[Andy Bowden]

I have read it - do you honestly think Kim Jong Il would win a free and fair election across all of Korea?

[Colombia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2005, 06:16 AM
A socialist Korea is the only solution I would support.
Trying to speak in apolitical terms -------> CAPITALISM IS BORING!
After all the bull the North Koreans are doing under the name of socialism, do you think the people will honestly even consider this?
The name of communism has been scarred because of those damn North Koreans.

[bolshevik butcher]

It cerainly has, i think it should be down to what the people of norht and south korea want, not what the powerfu,l in their societs or foreigh powers want.

[maoist_revolution]

I belive it is fine as it is Kim Jong is great and is standing up against captalism

[Colombia]

I disagree. He has done nothing but starve the North Korean people.

Plus his movies are horrible!

[Black Dagger]

I belive it is fine as it is Kim Jong is great and is standing up against captalism

In what ways is Kim Jong 'great'? And how is he 'standing up against capitalism'?

[Hiero]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2005, 01:50 AM
After all the bull the North Koreans are doing under the name of socialism, do you think the people will honestly even consider this?
The name of communism has been scarred because of those damn North Koreans.
People outside the western captilist countries have more motive for socialism.


I disagree. He has done nothing but starve the North Korean people.

The famines are more complicated then what the neoliberals say.

One reason for unification is for agricultural reason, the Korean peninsula should not be split as the North region is not as fertile as south. Thats why when the floods occured in the 90's it really hurt North Korea.


Plus his movies are horrible!

What movies?


In what ways is Kim Jong 'great'? And how is he 'standing up against capitalism'?

By not conforming the economy to the will of the imperialist powers.

[lennonist-leninist]

i think that not in the near future but in years to ome the tow koreas will join together. but only if the people find a way to make it work

[bolshevik butcher]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2005, 05:06 AM
I belive it is fine as it is Kim Jong is great and is standing up against captalism
:lol: since when. he's worse than the west!

[bolshevik butcher]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2005, 06:34 AM
I disagree. He has done nothing but starve the North Korean people.

Plus his movies are horrible!
True, for a so called communist country you should see theinequalities that exist in north korea. Plus there is no real freedom there. you can either join the government or die!

[Hiero]

Originally posted by Clenched Fist+Jun 12 2005, 11:26 PM--> (Clenched Fist @ Jun 12 2005, 11:26 PM)
[email protected] 12 2005, 05:06 AM
I belive it is fine as it is Kim Jong is great and is standing up against captalism
:lol: since when. he's worse than the west! [/b]
West?

[viva le revolution]

That's just a load of bull. True the kim family has established a dynasty, but if the imperialist powers were so concerned they would not continue with the sanctions and economic blockade. They would have a military buildup along the DMZ. The north is forced to incur military expenditure, not only to cope with the superior south korean forces but also the american troops there.
The U.S is just there to talk! you can't just cripple a country's economy then accuse the leadership of being satanic, that's just the neo-cons talking. Look at both sides of the coin.

[FreeChechnya]

I have seen South Korea numerous times, it is one of the hardest working and most educated countries. Children go to school from 7 a.m. to 10 p.m.
American economic influence is common but the popular belief is of an imperialist occupation, and utter dislike. Mass protests are a regular on the streets of Seoul. These people do not have the same ideals and have much discontent regarding Americans or Way-gooks. One thing I learnt while I was there is, If a South Korean doesn’t work, he/she starves. I plan on going into North Korea within the next few years. (And it will exist; find out who their no.1 trading partner is). Of course I support Korean-Unification; understandably this will for the most part not happen peacefully, as there is a war going on. You will always have one or two… million people ready to die for their government and “national independence”.

[Joseph]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2005, 05:06 AM
I belive it is fine as it is Kim Jong is great and is standing up against captalism
The way i see it... N.Korea isn't socialism vs. capitalism.... its more like monarchy vs. capitalism... after all... Kim Jong Il is the kings of N.Korea... so it is actually a step back in class struggles... i don't know whether i should support that... do we all want to go back to monarchy?

[Black Dagger]

By not conforming the economy to the will of the imperialist powers.

I'll give you that, but only partially. He's 'standing up' to the imperialist powers because that justifies his continued dictatorship, it's really a de facto position. And you didn't answer my first question, how is he 'great'?

[Severian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2005, 08:39 AM
Here is Kim Il Sung's 10 point program for reunification of Korea

The north and the south should found a pan-national unified state to represent all parties, all groupings and all the members of the nation from all walks of life, while leaving the existing two systems and two governments intact.
Thanks for posting that.

Kim Il Sung made a good proposal, and a very reasonable one. The reunification of Korea while retaining two systems and two regional governments. AFAIK this is still the position of the north Korean government.

Its sincerity can be doubted. But the best way to find out....would be to take them up on it. If they are insincere and back out, that's on them.

Reunification is the desire of the overwhelming majority of Koreans, north and south. It is AFAIK the stated desire of the south Korean government as well, they even have a Cabinet-level Unification Minister, whose job presumably is to work towards this goal.

But Seoul has been dragging its feet, particularly on the continuing presence of the U.S. military which is the main obstacle to the negotiated reunification of Korea.

We should remember that Koreans never asked for the division of their country; it was divided by agreement between the U.S. and USSR, who proceeded to install governments of their choosing, headed by Koreans who had been in exile in the US and USSR.

As the Japanese military collapsed, Korean nationalists had already set up their own government in Seoul. They did not need anyone else to land and "liberate" them. But the U.S. did so, dispersed the People's Assembly in Seoul, and set up the Syngman Rhee dictatorship. The USSR also has some responsibility for the division of Korea...but it is the U.S. military which is still there today.

[turkishXstyle]

of course a korean unification is desirable, but i have no ideas how it should happen. as we know, south korea has very strong military, i think no country could disposs Kim Il Sung by war, and i dont think that he will resign within the next.. few years.
i hope for a revolution, just like the russian revolution where population, police and military stood united against the führers.

[viva le revolution]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2005, 05:11 PM
of course a korean unification is desirable, but i have no ideas how it should happen. as we know, south korea has very strong military, i think no country could disposs Kim Il Sung by war, and i dont think that he will resign within the next.. few years.
i hope for a revolution, just like the russian revolution where population, police and military stood united against the führers.
We share the same hope. It's Kim jong il comrade.

[Bolshevist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2005, 06:34 AM
I disagree. He has done nothing but starve the North Korean people.

Plus his movies are horrible!
Read the "Grand deception revealed" in my signature. It will open your eyes.

[bolshevik butcher]

I've read that, and i still feel he lords over the people as a king. While th economic situation mught not be as bad as we are told it is, kim jong il still has all th over all power.

[Man o' the Century]

Korea,

A perfect example of Marxism.

Totalitarianism, state murder of the people.

Poverty.

Starvation.

Everyone wants to leave.

[Phalanx]

Well, my child-molesting friend, Korea is not a perfect example of Marxism. In fact, while you tend to your internet stalking, I may have to say you do not have a way with facts. Stalinism is a brand all its own, a totalitarian regime while the common man starves and is forced to eat humans (with or without knowing it). North Korea is a stalinist, not Marxist, regime. I would give an explanation, but it's way past my bedtime.