Revolution in America?

[Rangeley]

Searching through this site, I have noticed a few topics mentioning a revolution, that is wanted in America.

While at first this sounds sort of extreme, perhaps there is something more to it then on the surface. What exactly would this revolution include?

[I crush capitalists]

Im guessing firearms and molotov cocktails.......

[Loknar]

balls

of which the libs have none!

[Rangeley]

I would appreciate some serious input on this, what some might consider, serious topic.

[I crush capitalists]

Dont ask me, I just got here......

Loknar, your stupid ninja policy will get you shot.

[Loknar]

it's crude but true.

the average American does not have fighting spirit to conduct a revolution.

but what s needed is time + desperation, which would eventually come if corporations become more powerful than they are now.

[Loknar]

Originally posted by I crush [email protected] 30 2005, 06:51 AM
Dont ask me, I just got here......

Loknar, your stupid ninja policy will get you shot.
well dont post about my kickin ass ninja stuff here in this thread.


and if you dont know then how c an you even claim to be a c ommunist?

[I crush capitalists]

Ill be a regular soldier...........others can plan..........

[Loknar]

Originally posted by I crush [email protected] 30 2005, 06:58 AM
Ill be a regular soldier...........others can plan..........
stupid grunt

"yeah, there is a village of capialist coal miners who are being royally fucked by plantation owners, go wipe em out for the revolution."


I can see your sorry ass doing something like that too.

[OleMarxco]

Riight..that kind of mentality will just turn you into another cannonfodder for another pluring (plotting and luring) and suspective despot :rolleyes:

[Cobra]

I remember in Guerrilla Warfare Che mentioned something about a revolution being possible in the mountainous terrain of western America. Though I can’t remember what he said exactly…

And ninjas are awesome!

When I was a kid I always dreamed about becoming a ninja. :ph34r:

[Rangeley]

Let me throw some ideas out here. The revolution would include a government change? Would America no longer be a Federal Republic?

Or would it only be an economic change, one that got rid of capitalism.

[Loknar]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2005, 07:02 AM
I remember in Guerrilla Warfare Che mentioned something about a revolution being possible in the mountainous terrain of western America. Though I can’t remember what he said exactly…

And ninjas are awesome!

When I was a kid I always dreamed about becoming a ninja. :ph34r:
perhaps in the rockies, but it's very cold there. i'd say the mountains in the east are more suited. just dont stay in the cities, communists who do that live to regret it.

[I crush capitalists]

Originally posted by Loknar+May 30 2005, 07:01 AM--> (Loknar @ May 30 2005, 07:01 AM)
I crush [email protected] 30 2005, 06:58 AM
Ill be a regular soldier...........others can plan..........
stupid grunt

"yeah, there is a village of capialist coal miners who are being royally fucked by plantation owners, go wipe em out for the revolution."


I can see your sorry ass doing something like that too. [/b]
Youre the one with the ninja unit.............. :angry:

[Loknar]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2005, 07:05 AM
Let me throw some ideas out here. The revolution would include a government change? Would America no longer be a Federal Republic?

Or would it only be an economic change, one that got rid of capitalism.
i'd say everything would change.

a revolution is supposed to be bloody and purges are supposed to happen to usher in a new order.


as for government changing, maybe.

i'd say though that we'd turn into a socialist republic but the old order would cease completely. a new constitution would have to be written with a definined economic system.

[Loknar]

Originally posted by I crush capitalists+May 30 2005, 07:07 AM--> (I crush capitalists @ May 30 2005, 07:07 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2005, 07:01 AM

I crush [email protected] 30 2005, 06:58 AM
Ill be a regular soldier...........others can plan..........
stupid grunt

"yeah, there is a village of capialist coal miners who are being royally fucked by plantation owners, go wipe em out for the revolution."


I can see your sorry ass doing something like that too.
Youre the one with the ninja unit.............. :angry: [/b]
yeah, and?


I’d be a grunt but I wouldn’t be stupid and I’d have a conscience.

[encephalon]

i'm guessing that, since the US is so large, it will likely split across the continent.. some parts capitalist controlled, some parts revolutionary. The problem there is that economically, the US is largely decentralized; that's a problem and boon at the same time for revolutionaries and the status quo both, as it provides a potential powerbase for both if control is siezed by the opposition. I don't think it would be resolved in just a few years. I would guess that a kind of revolutionary government would emerge in oppostion to the status quo, like the civil war.

[Rangeley]

An interesting proposition, but what happens to everything in the constitution currently?

[Loknar]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2005, 07:13 AM
An interesting proposition, but what happens to everything in the constitution currently?
I dont know honestly. i think it depends on how radical the revolutionaries are.

[Rangeley]

Thats certainly reassuring...

So, is there just no real plan? Is an economic change really worth the loss of freedoms?

[Loknar]

does a revolution ever start out with a plan?

just a basic objective to change the current order of things into what they think is best. but i don’t know of the specifics.

after all i my self am not a communist.


i believe though that if there was a revolution it would ultimately fail

the openness of America means that there are many forms of communism that are believed in here in America.

there would be no way that the Stalinists and Trotskyists would work together.

though i think a revolution wont be necessary. the orld will naturally move toward communism and not even realize it.

[encephalon]

though i think a revolution wont be necessary. the orld will naturally move toward communism and not even realize it.

wtf are you, then, with a comment like that? :P

[Loknar]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2005, 07:46 AM

though i think a revolution wont be necessary. the orld will naturally move toward communism and not even realize it.

wtf are you, then, with a comment like that? :P
i'm a capitalist

i want to take care of my self and own a busibness.

but i am not afraid to acknolowedge fact.

[encephalon]

...
but i am not afraid to acknolowedge fact.

huh.

[Loknar]

I mean

I am not afraid to acknowledge what is the truth. and that i wont blind my self to reality.


I know we're going commie, it'll happen but maybe not in our life time.

[comrade_mufasa]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2005, 01:39 AM
Searching through this site, I have noticed a few topics mentioning a revolution, that is wanted in America.

While at first this sounds sort of extreme, perhaps there is something more to it then on the surface. What exactly would this revolution include?
Thread on the same subject here (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=34165&hl=). It is imposable to say what the revolution will include. There are a lot of varibles: The time period the revoluiton takes place, the matiral conditions during that time, the state of the economy, the amount of class conciouness, the strength of the capitalist goverments, has there been another sucsesful revolution in another modern industrial contriey that can support the revolutionaries in the U$, and other factors, also.
I still support a "work with the capitalist goverments, as needed" revolution. This means that the revolutionaries have "suit and tie" meetings with the capitalist goverments. While on those negotiating tables the revolutionaries should be firm and forceful to show that they mean every word they say. They should have the armed part of the movement known and ready to move but not in the front as the focus of the revolution. The capitalist goverments will try and keep power on thier side by supporting "no violence" so the revolutionaries can us this to gain ground with nagotions and agreements. If anything happens the armed end will be mobilzed with no hezatation.


Let me throw some ideas out here. The revolution would include a government change? Would America no longer be a Federal Republic?

Or would it only be an economic change, one that got rid of capitalism.
A revolution is total ending of what was and a birth of something new, and hopfully better. There will be a government change, economic change, and social change. It will be a new society. Communism can only work under a direct democracy, so there will be no more federal republics anywhere.


An interesting proposition, but what happens to everything in the constitution currently?
Well since the constitution only exist just so the U$A can exist then it will not have any value after a successful revolution. If you mean the ideals that the constitution is supposed to stand for, then it will be thought of when peoples constitution is written.


Thats certainly reassuring...

So, is there just no real plan? Is an economic change really worth the loss of freedoms?
Its not that there is no plan its just that no one knows. As I said before in this post there are a lot of variables. Of course an economic change is not worth the loss of freedoms, and thats why the whole of society must be change so that the proletariat is free from the oppression of the ruling class and is able to eat with out explotation.

[Mr America]

There isn't anything a good patriotic American hates more than communism. The commies will not start any commie revolution here.

[restin256]

Originally posted by Mr [email protected] 6 2005, 03:49 AM
There isn't anything a good patriotic American hates more than communism. The commies will not start any commie revolution here.
Watch me, beyotch.

I think a revolution isn't too neccissary. We moved from slavery to feudalism somewhat unconsciously, didn't we? We went from feudalism to Capitalism without acutally realising it. I'd like to throw in the idea, if it hasn't been said arleady, that we're going to move to more liberal ideas and slowly edge toward communism, without the need for an actual "Revolution".

Although, if a violent revolution is the only way, I'll be among the first in the front row to fight for it.

[Mr America]

Originally posted by restin256+Jul 6 2005, 04:59 AM--> (restin256 @ Jul 6 2005, 04:59 AM)
Mr [email protected] 6 2005, 03:49 AM
There isn't anything a good patriotic American hates more than communism. The commies will not start any commie revolution here.
Watch me, beyotch.

I think a revolution isn't too neccissary. We moved from slavery to feudalism somewhat unconsciously, didn't we? We went from feudalism to Capitalism without acutally realising it. I'd like to throw in the idea, if it hasn't been said arleady, that we're going to move to more liberal ideas and slowly edge toward communism, without the need for an actual "Revolution".

Although, if a violent revolution is the only way, I'll be among the first in the front row to fight for it. [/b]
You didn't pay too much attention to the last election did you? The left was soundly defeated.

[restin256]

If you think we're really in a democracy, then who's the less educated one here?

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

The Democrats are not leftist in any sense.

[Loknar]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2005, 05:13 AM
The Democrats are not leftist in any sense.
wow, a liberal democrat to me is, well liberal.

a liberal democrat to you must be an ultra conservative.

[Socialistpenguin]

Loknar, I think he's trying to say what the late Bill Hicks once said, "There is only one party in America. The business party." They're two sides of the same coin, both are working for the corporations, just by different degrees. The Democrats are middle-class liberals: very dangerous.

Mr America, your username alone makes me laugh. This is what I don't understand with nationalists: the arguement for nationalism basically breaks down to this,
"My piece of dirt is better than your piece of dirt, beacuse my piece of dirt was the object of a war between two powers, the winner of which will become the new champion of imperialism." Tell me, do you read Mann Coulter? Do you listen to Rush Dimbuagh? Maybe Sean Vannity? Bill O' Leilly, perhaps? It's also likely that you've never even heard of what Communism truly is, you've been fed shit by your "patriotic" partisan Faux "News" channel. So, please go fornicate yourself with an iron stick. You are not welcome here.

P.S. Mr.America, do you do it with mules?

[Eastside Revolt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2005, 06:39 AM
Searching through this site, I have noticed a few topics mentioning a revolution, that is wanted in America.

While at first this sounds sort of extreme, perhaps there is something more to it then on the surface. What exactly would this revolution include?
The most important aspect of a revolution in the united states would be the transfer of economic power from the ruling class to the people.

The details of how that will happen are still up in the air. But the kind of revolution that people on this site would advocate, would include the transfer of econoimic power first and foremost.

I actually believe there is a fascist revolution taking place as we speak. It's this consumer society that keeps us from becoming aware and doing anything about it. The truth is though, that not matter what the fascists do, China is going to be on top sometime in the near future. When China is on top, watch this fragile economy come crashing down, and watch the formerly naive masses, become aware. Hopefully :P

[Sirion]

Restin, we moved from slavery to feudalism somewhat unconsiously and without trouble... that is, if you consider the invasion of the barbarian hordes, the fall of the Roman empire and the dark ages (that lasted approximately 500 years) "uncouncious and without trouble". Besides, capitalism needs slaves, the only difference from earlier is that you won't find them anywhere around where you live.

[Mr America]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2005, 04:38 PM
Loknar, I think he's trying to say what the late Bill Hicks once said, "There is only one party in America. The business party." They're two sides of the same coin, both are working for the corporations, just by different degrees. The Democrats are middle-class liberals: very dangerous.

Mr America, your username alone makes me laugh. This is what I don't understand with nationalists: the arguement for nationalism basically breaks down to this,
"My piece of dirt is better than your piece of dirt, beacuse my piece of dirt was the object of a war between two powers, the winner of which will become the new champion of imperialism." Tell me, do you read Mann Coulter? Do you listen to Rush Dimbuagh? Maybe Sean Vannity? Bill O' Leilly, perhaps? It's also likely that you've never even heard of what Communism truly is, you've been fed shit by your "patriotic" partisan Faux "News" channel. So, please go fornicate yourself with an iron stick. You are not welcome here.

P.S. Mr.America, do you do it with mules?
I don't care what you think of me degenerate commie. You say I am not welcome here. Fine I don't care. But know this you and your kind are not welcome in my country. Death to communism. Long live capitalism and the free market.

[Ownthink]

Originally posted by Mr America+Aug 2 2005, 09:29 PM--> (Mr America @ Aug 2 2005, 09:29 PM)
[email protected] 6 2005, 04:38 PM
Loknar, I think he's trying to say what the late Bill Hicks once said, "There is only one party in America. The business party." They're two sides of the same coin, both are working for the corporations, just by different degrees. The Democrats are middle-class liberals: very dangerous.

Mr America, your username alone makes me laugh. This is what I don't understand with nationalists: the arguement for nationalism basically breaks down to this,
"My piece of dirt is better than your piece of dirt, beacuse my piece of dirt was the object of a war between two powers, the winner of which will become the new champion of imperialism." Tell me, do you read Mann Coulter? Do you listen to Rush Dimbuagh? Maybe Sean Vannity? Bill O' Leilly, perhaps? It's also likely that you've never even heard of what Communism truly is, you've been fed shit by your "patriotic" partisan Faux "News" channel. So, please go fornicate yourself with an iron stick. You are not welcome here.

P.S. Mr.America, do you do it with mules?
I don't care what you think of me degenerate commie. You say I am not welcome here. Fine I don't care. But know this you and your kind are not welcome in my country. Death to communism. Long live capitalism and the free market. [/b]
You make me laugh.


This kind of blind patriotism is just what Georgie the Monkey wants!




Idiot.

[Mr America]

Better than being devoted to that sad evil ideology of yours.

[Ele'ill]

I don't care what you think of me degenerate commie. You say I am not welcome here. Fine I don't care. But know this you and your kind are not welcome in my country. Death to communism. Long live capitalism and the free market.

There is something odd about how you're talking to the people on this board. As if you are actually backed by your country and it's military, as if the military is actually backed by it's government. This makes me sad. When america's civilian population cheers for it's government it reminds me of someone throwing a party for their assassin. Gifts, balloons and yeah a clown. Reguardless of what this board tells you the left was not involved in the last election. It's one party with many faces. While there may be a little commotion on the surface, a few minor ripples of injustice that differs from canidate to canidate, the main corruption still lays untouched towards the bottom.



Better than being devoted to that sad evil ideology of yours.

It has less to do with the ideology and more to do with the person running the show.

[KC]

I don't care what you think of me degenerate commie.

Why are commies degenerate? Or are you just name-calling here?



You say I am not welcome here.

You're welcome as long as you provide clear arguments that you can back up with evidence; i.e. as long as you are a good contributor.



But know this you and your kind are not welcome in my country.

This is pretty hateful and ignorant. And the thing is, that we ARE welcome in your country. We're citizens just as much as you; cry all you want but it's true.



Death to communism. Long live capitalism and the free market.

Communism can't die, it's an ideology.


Better than being devoted to that sad evil ideology of yours.

Why is it evil and sad? Please, back this up with evidence. Communism is based on logic, and if you want to attack it, the only way to do that is to prove that its logic is incorrect. And communism can't be evil, it's an economic system.


This is why your arguments amount to nothing. You aren't being logical, you aren't backing up your statements and claims with evidence, you are just spamming. If you continue to do that, you will be banned.

[Ele'ill]

This is why your arguments amount to nothing.

Either that or people keep fueling them by taking him/her seriously rather than trying to evolve the conversation into something meaningful. :rolleyes:

[KC]

Either way, we won't have to worry about it much for much longer. He will either be banned for spamming or be forced to legitamize his posts.

[Socialistpenguin]

Originally posted by Mr America+Aug 3 2005, 01:29 AM--> (Mr America @ Aug 3 2005, 01:29 AM)
[email protected] 6 2005, 04:38 PM
Loknar, I think he's trying to say what the late Bill Hicks once said, "There is only one party in America. The business party." They're two sides of the same coin, both are working for the corporations, just by different degrees. The Democrats are middle-class liberals: very dangerous.

Mr America, your username alone makes me laugh. This is what I don't understand with nationalists: the arguement for nationalism basically breaks down to this,
"My piece of dirt is better than your piece of dirt, beacuse my piece of dirt was the object of a war between two powers, the winner of which will become the new champion of imperialism." Tell me, do you read Mann Coulter? Do you listen to Rush Dimbuagh? Maybe Sean Vannity? Bill O' Leilly, perhaps? It's also likely that you've never even heard of what Communism truly is, you've been fed shit by your "patriotic" partisan Faux "News" channel. So, please go fornicate yourself with an iron stick. You are not welcome here.

P.S. Mr.America, do you do it with mules?
I don't care what you think of me degenerate commie. You say I am not welcome here. Fine I don't care. But know this you and your kind are not welcome in my country. Death to communism. Long live capitalism and the free market. [/b]
OK, hillbilly, I'll bite. Why is your country much better than any other? Go on, tell me. i'm dying to know. Also, the reason I asked about the mules was because of this:
Mules (Contains adult language) (http://www.bushflash.com/mule.mp3)
Do you have any relation to this guy?

[Gorilla]

A revolution in America will not happen unless there is a huge crisis and massive defeats in countries abroad.

The American Empire would have to fall before America does and even then a revolution is highly unlikely.

The rise of pure Fascism is more likely among Americans than a left revolution.
The American population is affluent and benefits from capitalist exploitation.