Who was Peron?

[El_Revolucionario]

this wikipedia article is very confusing:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Per%F3n

I don't know much about Argentina, I just want to know if the current President of Argentina is left-wing or not, it says his party is Judicialist or whatever, which is Peronist, so I looked at Juan Peron's article...

was he left-wing or right-wing?

sorry if this sounds confusing lol :D

[More Fire for the People]

If I remember correctly, Perón was a benevelont dictator and a so-called "third positionist".

[Severian]

Peron was a bourgeois nationalist who relied on the support of the workers and especially union bureaucrats. Although he was a capitalist politician, conditions for workers improved during his time in power. The lack of independence of the workers' organization, their subordination to the Peronist (Justicialist) Party, was to be a major problem for many years after.

But since you're asking about now, Peronist presidents like Menem have carried out all kinds of IMF-inspired economic attacks on working people. It's little different from other capitalist parties. Maybe slightly further left...like the Democrats compared to the Republicans.

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

his wife, Evita, was very left-wing though and disagreed with many of his policies.

[More Fire for the People]

And she proved that Madonna is a horrible actress.

[Tupac-Amaru]

But i heard that Peron also did some terrible human-rights violations with the support of the USA. Wasn't it him who sent military transport planes (american ones) into the air over the Atlantic, and then, when they were really high up they threw political prisoners out to their deaths.

[patria grande]

Originally posted by Tupac-[email protected] 30 2005, 04:15 PM
Wasn't it him who sent military transport planes (american ones) into the air over the Atlantic, and then, when they were really high up they threw political prisoners out to their deaths.
No, those were part of the crimes of the late dictatorship (1976-1983).

Juan Domingo Perón (1895-1974)
Military and politician. He occupied several differnent positions in Argentina before ha became president. One of those posts was Secretary of Labour and Social Welfare backing labour unions and extensive labour legislation.

First Presidency (1946-1955)

He led an authoritarian gov. He devoloped what he called "La tercera Vía". The Third Position between Capitalism and Communism.
His program:
*Rapid industrialization
*Nationalism
*Anti-imperialism
*Economic self-sufficiency

Second Presidency (1973-1974)

He won presidency with the 62% of the vote. His third wife, Isabel Martínez, was elected vice president. He died of a heart attack in 1974 and his wife assumed the presidency. In 1976 she was ousted by the military.

[__ca va?]

If I remember correctly, Perón was a benevelont dictator and a so-called "third positionist".

In fact he was elected freely by the people 3 times so he wasn't a dictator. He was a third positionist which means he disliked bith capitalism and communism and that he thought that capitalism was the root of communism so it must be done away with first. So he made some socialistic policies but they ruined the country's economy and generated high inflation. He was widespreadly respecetd by the people though, because he implemented reforms which created better conditions for the working class.

[resisting arrest with violence]

I can't believe this! PERON WAS A FASCIST! HE PROTECTED A LOT OF HITLER'S NAZIs IN ARGENTINA FROM BEING CAUGHT AND TRIED FOR THE SCUMBAGS THEY WERE!

[1949]

Originally posted by resisting arrest with [email protected] 6 2005, 01:26 PM
I can't believe this! PERON WAS A FASCIST! HE PROTECTED A LOT OF HITLER'S NAZIs IN ARGENTINA FROM BEING CAUGHT AND TRIED FOR THE SCUMBAGS THEY WERE!
A Peron supporter at another forum claimed that Argentina was neutral in WWII and accepted refugees from both competing imperialist camps. I don't know if that is true or not (since I hardly know anything about Peron), and it wouldn't essentially make him any better, but it's just something to think about in light of the fact that people are always making a big fuss about him accepting refugees from the Axis.

[Severian]

Originally posted by resisting arrest with [email protected] 6 2005, 03:26 PM
I can't believe this! PERON WAS A FASCIST! HE PROTECTED A LOT OF HITLER'S NAZIs IN ARGENTINA FROM BEING CAUGHT AND TRIED FOR THE SCUMBAGS THEY WERE!
He was not a fascist. He was neutral in WWII, protecting Argentina's (bourgeois) national interests by trading with both sides. And indeed, why should Argentina, a semicolonial country, line up with one bloc of imperialist countries or another in their fight over which bloc is going to dominate and exploit the rest of the world?

The Moscow-franchised CPs pushed this "Peron is fascist" line because of their total subordination to Allied imperialism - Stalin's temporary allies.

Source for your allegations about sheltering Nazis? Is it possible we have more confusing between Peron - and the rightist military dictatorships which resulted from coups overthrowing elected Peronist governments?

[Don't Change Your Name]

Let's get this straight: Peron was a fascist. He did "protect" some nazis, or so it seems. Peron was a populist who got to power thanks to being secretary in a military dictatorship, which made him give some benefits to workers and poor people who made him so popular than the rets of the government had to take him out of it. The people protested and they were forced to bring him back and give him even more power. The conservative parties joined with the socialist ones to fight him in the following elections but they lost. Peron was a threat to the upper class but at the same time he got the support of some of them. He was at the right place at the right time, when Argentina was trying to recover from the crisis created by the Great Depression. He was nothing but a nationalist populist who ignored the middle class and supported nationalizations, until there was a crisis in his government, and that + him losing the support of the catholic church helped a military coup. He came back to Argentina decades later, got chosen again as president, moved to the right, one of his supporters (Lopez Rega, some superstitious asshole) started a secret anti-communist organization, his left-wing followers left him for being a fascist, he died, his wife (who came out of nowhere, she was some whore) took over as vice-president, her government sucked, there was a military coup who killed lots of leftists. And he was a bourgeois.

That's more or less the story.

A confusing individual, he was "centrist" economically, slightly authoritarian and fascistic in other issues, while retaining some "christian" and "nationalist" attitudes.

His party (or what remains from it) is divided and Kirchner's government is centrist (aka "welfare state", what yankees call "democrat").

[Severian]

Pretty much everything else in that post contradicts the assertion that he was a fascist. Seeing as how fascism is a radical mass movement of the middle classes that, if it succeeds, completely smashes the workers' organizations.

[__ca va?]

A Peron supporter at another forum claimed that Argentina was neutral in WWII and accepted refugees from both competing imperialist camps.

Argentina was not neutral during all of the war. They declared war on Germany and Japan on the 27th March 1945 so in fact they were against the axis. Peron did have an affection for fascism but that's because he admired Italy and Germany for having their economies fixed in such a small time. As El Infiltr(A)do said, the Great Depression had caused great losses for Argentina. At the same time, Latin-America was dependent on the US, so it was logical that he wanted nationalized industry, and as I have already stated he was elected freely all 3 times and he respected human rights, so he couldn't have been a fascist. He was authoritarian but he respected democracy and did many good things to the working class.

[Don't Change Your Name]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2005, 07:13 AM
Pretty much everything else in that post contradicts the assertion that he was a fascist. Seeing as how fascism is a radical mass movement of the middle classes that, if it succeeds, completely smashes the workers' organizations.
Nope. Afaik Peron met Mussolini and later said something like that he liked meeting "such a great man". Peron was ideologically fascist but his politics were just populist. Peron's government tried to "calm down" the working class, by basically giving them "benefits", yet many compare his economical stances with corporatism and they might be right, even if not completely. If you think those workers who supported him are "good guys", I must remind you that they are too conservative and old-fashioned as to be considered "leftists". From a social point of view, Peron a bit too authoritarian until he legalized prostitution, divorce and other simmilar things which put the church against him. His last government was mostly anti-leftist as I mentioned. Peron wasn't backed up by most of the middle class because of the fact that the previous democratic governments (before the coup which led Peron into the government) were from the UCR, which is more or less a middle class party.

Overall, Peron was a "moderate" fascist.