Worker paradise and entertainment [Archive]

ahhh_money_is_comfort

29th May 2005, 21:18

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 09:09 PM
I'm sure after the Revolution people will be able to entertain themselves with things which can improve them mentally and/or physically - such as reading or playing sports.

No.

That is bouguise. I think you need some re-education comrade.

The workers want beer pubs, dart boards, and multiple sports channels.

It does not matter if you don't understand what to point is, the workers want it, they should get it, and you should not stand in thier way or your an anti-revolutionary.

I think opera and fine arts will be banned or disappear, they are bouguise.

Plus your characterization of the workers is a little worrisome comrade. Your characterization of 'idiotic' 'insecure' and general apathy of what workers want is worrisome. I don't think you really understand the workers and protelariat.

RedAnarchist

29th May 2005, 21:21

AMIC, you're making the workers sound like idiotic slobbish white trash.

Disco!

29th May 2005, 21:22

Originally posted by ahhh_money_is_comfort+May 29 2005, 08:18 PM--> (ahhh_money_is_comfort @ May 29 2005, 08:18 PM)
[email protected] 29 2005, 09:09 PM
I'm sure after the Revolution people will be able to entertain themselves with things which can improve them mentally and/or physically - such as reading or playing sports.

No.

That is bouguise. I think you need some re-education comrade.

The workers want beer pubs, dart boards, and multiple sports channels.

It does not matter if you don't understand what to point is, the workers want it, they should get it, and you should not stand in thier way or your an anti-revolutionary.

I think opera and fine arts will be banned or disappear, they are bouguise.

Plus your characterization of the workers is a little worrisome comrade. Your characterization of 'idiotic' 'insecure' and general apathy of what workers want is worrisome. I don't think you really understand the workers and protelariat. [/b]
I think you're confusing us with the Red Gaurd.

ahhh_money_is_comfort

29th May 2005, 21:27

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 09:21 PM
AMIC, you're making the workers sound like idiotic slobbish white trash.
No.

That is your characterization and that is very disturbing. How did you even get that idea? You must purge that prejudiced though from your mind or become re-educated. I would think that every increment more of NASCAR, monster truck-o-rammas, and hunting that we can get, the more incremently close we get to a worker paradise. Incremently closer we do away with bouguise the incremently closer we get to worker paradise.

Hegemonicretribution

29th May 2005, 22:10

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 08:18 PM
[QUOTE=

No.

That is bouguise. I think you need some re-education comrade.

The workers want beer pubs, dart boards, and multiple sports channels.

It does not matter if you don't understand what to point is, the workers want it, they should get it, and you should not stand in thier way or your an anti-revolutionary.

I think opera and fine arts will be banned or disappear, they are bouguise.

Plus your characterization of the workers is a little worrisome comrade. Your characterization of 'idiotic' 'insecure' and general apathy of what workers want is worrisome. I don't think you really understand the workers and protelariat. [/quote]
I am willing to admit you have raised a valid and very interesting point. But whilst you can prey on the fact that the left is divided and consisting of a thousand well meaning ideas, so is the current system, as would be any system I can think of.

You are right that those activities (wrestling etc....) are the joy of many. As are opera etc. Disco hit it on the head more or less. In capitalism, if demand exceeds supply, prices will rise, and in turn so will supply eventually levelling (as much as this happens). Like wise if an acvtivity is unpopular...blah blah blah.. it doesn't happen. At the moment however all these activities exist, so why should they stop existing?

What would be different is that Football, Baseball...well pretty much everything would be collectively owned by participants and fans...who have the activety at heart and not profit. Surely that can only be good?

I think perhaps the real question here is perhaps: How can a system be for the benifit of the working class, when it is instigated by (if well meaning people from a different class?

This is also answered simply by the fact that the left is divided. So whilst you are saying that the ideas are generated from bourgeois minds, it is a commen criticism (at least f members of this board) that many are no more than dumb kids. If this is true then the diversity of left minded people would be reflected in a left minded society. If this is not the case then it is not exactly what was hoped for, and I for one would take no pride in it.

bed_of_nails

29th May 2005, 22:12

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 08:08 PM
NASCAR racing - idiotic speed freaks :lol:
Its funny to watch them crash and burn.

Urban Rubble

29th May 2005, 22:33

I'm not sure if this post was a joke or not, so forgive me for responding seriously if it was a joke.

Ever notice what blue colar workers like for entertainment?

At least in the USA we like WWF wrestling, NASCAR racing, fishing, hunting, monster truck-o-rammas, and rodeo.

We don't like thinks like talking politics, tea houses, fine art, and opera.

Will the bouguise things dissapear? I hope so, we can use more monster truck-o-rammas.

Sounds like someone has been tuning into a little too much "Blue Collar TV". Durrrrrr, he said "git er dun", fucking hillarious.

It sounds like your perception of the working class has been formed from stereotypes, hack comedians and sitcoms. In the real world all workers are not such braindead hicks.

I've worked amongst "blue collar workers" for years whether it be on construction sites or in warehouses. Yeah, a lot of them like this shit, but a lot of them also like to read, see good movies, play music or any other number of sissy activities.

The fact that you think all of us workers are beer swilling wrastlin fans is beyond insulting. It says all I need to know about the amount of contact you've had with the working class.

ahhh_money_is_comfort

30th May 2005, 01:44

Originally posted by [email protected]y 29 2005, 10:10 PM

[QUOTE=

No.

That is bouguise. I think you need some re-education comrade.

The workers want beer pubs, dart boards, and multiple sports channels.

It does not matter if you don't understand what to point is, the workers want it, they should get it, and you should not stand in thier way or your an anti-revolutionary.

I think opera and fine arts will be banned or disappear, they are bouguise.

Plus your characterization of the workers is a little worrisome comrade. Your characterization of 'idiotic' 'insecure' and general apathy of what workers want is worrisome. I don't think you really understand the workers and protelariat.
I am willing to admit you have raised a valid and very interesting point. But whilst you can prey on the fact that the left is divided and consisting of a thousand well meaning ideas, so is the current system, as would be any system I can think of.

You are right that those activities (wrestling etc....) are the joy of many. As are opera etc. Disco hit it on the head more or less. In capitalism, if demand exceeds supply, prices will rise, and in turn so will supply eventually levelling (as much as this happens). Like wise if an acvtivity is unpopular...blah blah blah.. it doesn't happen. At the moment however all these activities exist, so why should they stop existing?

What would be different is that Football, Baseball...well pretty much everything would be collectively owned by participants and fans...who have the activety at heart and not profit. Surely that can only be good?

I think perhaps the real question here is perhaps: How can a system be for the benifit of the working class, when it is instigated by (if well meaning people from a different class?

This is also answered simply by the fact that the left is divided. So whilst you are saying that the ideas are generated from bourgeois minds, it is a commen criticism (at least f members of this board) that many are no more than dumb kids. If this is true then the diversity of left minded people would be reflected in a left minded society. If this is not the case then it is not exactly what was hoped for, and I for one would take no pride in it. [/quote]
Hey what is all this "institute for one class by another class" stuff. You got it all wrong. There are no classes. There is only one class, if your not in it, you need to be re-educated.

ahhh_money_is_comfort

30th May 2005, 01:49

Originally posted by Urban [email protected] 29 2005, 10:33 PM
I'm not sure if this post was a joke or not, so forgive me for responding seriously if it was a joke.

Ever notice what blue colar workers like for entertainment?

At least in the USA we like WWF wrestling, NASCAR racing, fishing, hunting, monster truck-o-rammas, and rodeo.

We don't like thinks like talking politics, tea houses, fine art, and opera.

Will the bouguise things dissapear? I hope so, we can use more monster truck-o-rammas.

Sounds like someone has been tuning into a little too much "Blue Collar TV". Durrrrrr, he said "git er dun", fucking hillarious.

It sounds like your perception of the working class has been formed from stereotypes, hack comedians and sitcoms. In the real world all workers are not such braindead hicks.

I've worked amongst "blue collar workers" for years whether it be on construction sites or in warehouses. Yeah, a lot of them like this shit, but a lot of them also like to read, see good movies, play music or any other number of sissy activities.

The fact that you think all of us workers are beer swilling wrastlin fans is beyond insulting. It says all I need to know about the amount of contact you've had with the working class.
Hey I'm just talking about good protelariat entertainment vs bougouise entertainment. Which one do you think is good protelariat and which one is bad bouguise? I'm not going to stand in the way of the protelariat if they want good protelariat entertainment, for the protelariat by the protelariat. I just want to make sure I don't enjoy anything bougouise.

ahhh_money_is_comfort

30th May 2005, 01:50

Originally posted by bed_of_nails+May 29 2005, 10:12 PM--> (bed_of_nails @ May 29 2005, 10:12 PM)
[email protected] 29 2005, 08:08 PM
NASCAR racing - idiotic speed freaks :lol:
Its funny to watch them crash and burn. [/b]
The attitude of enjoying pain and suffering will not help produce a system of justice and compassion. You need to think about re-education.

bed_of_nails

30th May 2005, 01:53

Originally posted by ahhh_money_is_comfort+May 30 2005, 12:50 AM--> (ahhh_money_is_comfort @ May 30 2005, 12:50 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 10:12 PM

[email protected] 29 2005, 08:08 PM
NASCAR racing - idiotic speed freaks :lol:
Its funny to watch them crash and burn.
The attitude of enjoying pain and suffering will not help produce a system of justice and compassion. You need to think about re-education. [/b]
They are driving at high speeds on a slick track in a high-risk object with a shitload of people around them doing the same.

They didnt create the "sport" to watch people go around the track 500 times. They created the sport to watch idiots roast like peanuts.

ahhh_money_is_comfort

30th May 2005, 02:07

Originally posted by bed_of_nails+May 30 2005, 01:53 AM--> (bed_of_nails @ May 30 2005, 01:53 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2005, 12:50 AM

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 10:12 PM

[email protected] 29 2005, 08:08 PM
NASCAR racing - idiotic speed freaks :lol:
Its funny to watch them crash and burn.
The attitude of enjoying pain and suffering will not help produce a system of justice and compassion. You need to think about re-education.
They are driving at high speeds on a slick track in a high-risk object with a shitload of people around them doing the same.

They didnt create the "sport" to watch people go around the track 500 times. They created the sport to watch idiots roast like peanuts. [/b]
The more you talk like that, the more you sound like an anti-revolutionary. The workers will want this, it is very clear to me they will. Why is not clear to you? Don't stand in our way or we will have to deal with you.

redstar2000

30th May 2005, 02:08

Setting aside amic's stereotypical banalities, it's actually an interesting question.

What would entertainment be like in a "workers' paradise"?

Would we have "professionalized" entertainment at all?

I'm pretty sure that NASCAR would be out...but quite possibly replaced by stock car racing where even an ordinary person with an old wreck could get out on the track.

On the other hand, auto racing of any kind is pretty wasteful of resources...perhaps it might become entirely "virtual" and viewed from the comfort of your living room.

I don't hold out much hope for grand opera or the classical orchestra -- they are presently heavily subsidized by corporate contributions (meaning us -- it's a tax deductible expense) in the name of "culture" and serve as social/status ceremonies for the ruling class and its lackeys. (Classical chamber music might still be performed on an amateur basis...it doesn't cost much.)

Blockbuster movies? Well, depending on further advances in technology, they could still exist...created by amateurs in their own home studios. It's even been hypothesized that with a digital library of all of a particular "star's" movies, you could actually recombine the elements into a new movie or an infinite number of movies. (The Kennedy-Monroe Affair starring Jack Kennedy and Marilyn Monroe.)

But there might not be any "new stars".

What about the great industry of professional sports? It could possibly continue on a much reduced basis. Those imposing stadiums with luxury suites would be left to decay.

Or again, it might also be "virtualized"...a sufficiently large and fast computer could recreate any game played in the past or create entirely new games featuring players that played in different eras ("Babe Ruth steps in to face Nolan Ryan on the mound".)

But games would be played by people in the neighborhood...perhaps with a city-wide playoff.

The dart board at the nearby pub would certainly endure...and more simple games of skill might well be invented. Bowling alleys would still exist and flourish. People would still play tennis and probably even golf.

People would still hunt and fish...though probably in declining numbers.

And, regrettably, a few people would probably still box and wrestle...though fans of such "entertainment" would likely be widely regarded as little better than barbarians.

Rodeos, bull-fighting, and horse-racing would go the way of cock-fighting and bear-baiting...gratuitous cruelty to animals for "entertainment" would not be tolerated.

I won't venture a prediction on "fine art"...very little was produced in the 20th century and it may be dying out altogether -- there's no market for it. :lol: A digital museum could store everything that was painted or sculpted in prior centuries and you could have, if you wished, a perfect reproduction on your wall of anything you liked -- color enhanced on request.

And as long as there's an England or, for that matter, a Japan, there will be tea parties. :D

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bed_of_nails

30th May 2005, 02:11

Originally posted by ahhh_money_is_comfort+May 30 2005, 01:07 AM--> (ahhh_money_is_comfort @ May 30 2005, 01:07 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2005, 01:53 AM

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2005, 12:50 AM

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 10:12 PM

[email protected] 29 2005, 08:08 PM
NASCAR racing - idiotic speed freaks :lol:
Its funny to watch them crash and burn.
The attitude of enjoying pain and suffering will not help produce a system of justice and compassion. You need to think about re-education.
They are driving at high speeds on a slick track in a high-risk object with a shitload of people around them doing the same.

They didnt create the "sport" to watch people go around the track 500 times. They created the sport to watch idiots roast like peanuts.
The more you talk like that, the more you sound like an anti-revolutionary. The workers will want this, it is very clear to me they will. Why is not clear to you? Don't stand in our way or we will have to deal with you. [/b]
When people do dangerous things, people die. I think every NASCAR racer deserves a "Darwin Award".

ahhh_money_is_comfort

30th May 2005, 02:21

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2005, 02:08 AM
Setting aside amic's stereotypical banalities, it's actually an interesting question.

What would entertainment be like in a "workers' paradise"?

Would we have "professionalized" entertainment at all?

I'm pretty sure that NASCAR would be out...but quite possibly replaced by stock car racing where even an ordinary person with an old wreck could get out on the track.

On the other hand, auto racing of any kind is pretty wasteful of resources...perhaps it might become entirely "virtual" and viewed from the comfort of your living room.

I don't hold out much hope for grand opera or the classical orchestra -- they are presently heavily subsidized by corporate contributions (meaning us -- it's a tax deductible expense) in the name of "culture" and serve as social/status ceremonies for the ruling class and its lackeys. (Classical chamber music might still be performed on an amateur basis...it doesn't cost much.)

Blockbuster movies? Well, depending on further advances in technology, they could still exist...created by amateurs in their own home studios. It's even been hypothesized that with a digital library of all of a particular "star's" movies, you could actually recombine the elements into a new movie or an infinite number of movies. (The Kennedy-Monroe Affair starring Jack Kennedy and Marilyn Monroe.)

But there might not be any "new stars".

What about the great industry of professional sports? It could possibly continue on a much reduced basis. Those imposing stadiums with luxury suites would be left to decay.

Or again, it might also be "virtualized"...a sufficiently large and fast computer could recreate any game played in the past or create entirely new games featuring players that played in different eras ("Babe Ruth steps in to face Nolan Ryan on the mound".)

But games would be played by people in the neighborhood...perhaps with a city-wide playoff.

The dart board at the nearby pub would certainly endure...and more simple games of skill might well be invented. Bowling alleys would still exist and flourish. People would still play tennis and probably even golf.

People would still hunt and fish...though probably in declining numbers.

And, regrettably, a few people would probably still box and wrestle...though fans of such "entertainment" would likely be widely regarded as little better than barbarians.

Rodeos, bull-fighting, and horse-racing would go the way of cock-fighting and bear-baiting...gratuitous cruelty to animals for "entertainment" would not be tolerated.

I won't venture a prediction on "fine art"...very little was produced in the 20th century and it may be dying out altogether -- there's no market for it. :lol: A digital museum could store everything that was painted or sculpted in prior centuries and you could have, if you wished, a perfect reproduction on your wall of anything you liked -- color enhanced on request.

And as long as there's an England or, for that matter, a Japan, there will be tea parties. :D

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Wow. That sound like a pretty drab life, except for the racing part. I could do without the hunting too, just as long as I keep my guns. How about meat? Do we still got meat? No hunting? Domestic meat is like hunting, except the animals are in a fence all thier lives.

Plus I think were going to have lots more artist. We are going to have lots more people gravitating towards making art or other jobs described in the above posts. We are going to have lots more singers, dancers, and actors. You know, stuff people really want to do with thier lives.

redstar2000

30th May 2005, 04:43

Wow. That sound like a pretty drab life, except for the racing part.

How so? I thought I covered everything you mentioned...and most of it would still be around in one form or another.

How about meat? Do we still got meat?

Sure.

No hunting?

Pay attention: I said that people would still hunt and fish though probably in declining numbers.

Why? It doesn't appeal that much to urban dwellers...so fewer and fewer will probably want to do it.

Plus I think were going to have lots more artist. We are going to have lots more people gravitating towards making art or other jobs described in the above posts. We are going to have lots more singers, dancers, and actors. You know, stuff people really want to do with their lives.

Yes, that's a possibility. Back in the first half of the 20th century, there were a great many "little theaters" in England and some even in the United States. Amateurs would gather to put on plays -- both serious drama and light musicals -- just because they loved to do that stuff. And people came out to watch them do it.

That may well happen again.

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coda

30th May 2005, 05:21

I think entertainment should be purely for entertainment -- free and not part of the labor force.

Everyone should have access to free community art & music spaces and materials. I often wonder how many Mozarts or Piccassos - both child prodigys-- out there who have never even touched their talent and have no idea because they've never had a paintbrush or sat at a piano.

I think all entertainment should be tolerated.

Except Disco. Oh NO -- None of that!! Pastel Polyester Leisure suits and the Bee-Gees are enough for one life time and one millenium. (sorry Disco! -- but it was bad!)

But, Disco museums are fine. As long as we keep it contained!

And No Bay City Rollers again please! :rolleyes:

Cobra

30th May 2005, 07:35

Well, since religion is an anti-revolutionary activity I suggest we bring back the Roman Coliseum and feed Christians to hungry lions, like they did back in the day. The Coliseums could be built to hold 50,000 spectators each, and the upper rows could have restaurants with food and refreshments. And since no one would want to miss the action while taking a piss, bathrooms could be installed behind one-way glass so no one misses anything. These could be collectively owned by the spectators, who would take turns maintaining the facility and taking care of the animals.

Also, special events could be held, such as having disco dancers fight with Jews. :D

I crush capitalists

30th May 2005, 07:36

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 08:04 PM
Ever notice what blue colar workers like for entertainment?

At least in the USA we like WWF wrestling, NASCAR racing, fishing, hunting, monster truck-o-rammas, and rodeo.

We don't like thinks like talking politics, tea houses, fine art, and opera.

Will the bouguise things dissapear? I hope so, we can use more monster truck-o-rammas.
Arent those things all redneck activities?

I would like to see a movie, or a sports game that doesnt involve drinking and a shotgun..........

bed_of_nails

30th May 2005, 08:23

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2005, 06:35 AM
Well, since religion is an anti-revolutionary activity I suggest we bring back the Roman Coliseum and feed Christians to hungry lions, like they did back in the day. The Coliseums could be built to hold 50,000 spectators each, and the upper rows could have restaurants with food and refreshments. And since no one would want to miss the action while taking a piss, bathrooms could be installed behind one-way glass so no one misses anything. These could be collectively owned by the spectators, who would take turns maintaining the facility and taking care of the animals.

Also, special events could be held, such as having disco dancers fight with Jews. :D
Fuck Yes.

You are my new hero.

Hegemonicretribution

30th May 2005, 12:45

Originally posted by ahhh_money_is_comfort+May 30 2005, 12:44 AM--> (ahhh_money_is_comfort @ May 30 2005, 12:44 AM)
[email protected] 29 2005, 10:10 PM

Hey what is all this "institute for one class by another class" stuff. You got it all wrong. There are no classes. There is only one class, if your not in it, you need to be re-educated. [/b]
You knew what I meant but f you want to pick up on technicalities, or can't get past them, then I will fill in the little I didn't think I had to explain.

Classes are based on socio-economic standing. People are different, that is good, however economically some of the imbalance should be adressed.

I for example earn minimum wage as a barman. No holiday, sick pay, overtime, bonuses or slack cut by drunken idiots I deal with. I know what class I should fit into, however I also enjoy reading, appreciating & making music, theatre, rollerblading, camping, dancing...actually a whole lot of activites. Some of the things I like are what would be termed blue colar entertainment and some are white collar. What I am saying is that there are not classes of people NOW, and there won't be either. It was just a term to talk to about people in a very general manner.

As for the one class, I believe the only class is people. The words might not go away but the meanings of them will. As for having it wrong and needing to be re-educated, well I feel at a disadvantage if you are going to assume and dismiss thoughts that don't actually apply to me. Who said anything about re-education? However I suppose I am in the class of people, so there are no problems.

Taiga

30th May 2005, 13:54

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 08:18 PM

The workers want beer pubs, dart boards, and multiple sports channels.

I think opera and fine arts will be banned or disappear, they are bouguise.

You don't have be an aristocratic bourgeois to love and understand opera and fine arts.
I know many simple working people that aren't interested only in beer and car racing.

Taiga

30th May 2005, 14:03

Besides, sometimes workers have no time and forces for self-education. Because they have to work too much and too hard.
Sometimes I come home so tired that simply can't read a book. I can watch TV a little and then go to bed.

Publius

30th May 2005, 14:13

I'm sure after the Revolution people will be able to entertain themselves with things which can improve them mentally and/or physically - such as reading or playing sports.

Does your arrogance know any bounds?

RedAnarchist

30th May 2005, 14:15

How was i being arrogant, Publius?

Publius

30th May 2005, 14:28

How was i being arrogant, Publius?

By attempting to proselytyze to people, how they should entertain themselves. It is the height of arrogance to tell people they should read or play sports 'because it's good for them', as if people's entertainment was primarily dictated by their physical or mental benefit.

Consider it another example of leftists attempting to dictate people's lives in another way.

A not-so strangely common occurance.

RedAnarchist

30th May 2005, 14:31

Publius

30th May 2005, 14:37

I'm sure most normal people would rather play football or read a novel than watch two overgrown idiots beating each other up, or shooting dead animals for blood-thirsty fun.

I didint say that people must do those things to entertain themselves after the Revolution - i was saying that they could.

I'm quite sure you're wrong. People are stupid and base. Get used to it. It's one of the reasons why your revolution will never happen.

And in what sport do people shoot dead animals? In hunting, they shoot LIVE animals to make them dead.

Then they eat them.

ÑóẊîöŉ

30th May 2005, 16:22

If people are too stupid and base for revolution then they are too stupid and base for your pet ideology.

ahhh_money_is_comfort

30th May 2005, 16:41

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2005, 04:43 AM

Wow. That sound like a pretty drab life, except for the racing part.

How so? I thought I covered everything you mentioned...and most of it would still be around in one form or another.

How about meat? Do we still got meat?

Sure.

No hunting?

Pay attention: I said that people would still hunt and fish though probably in declining numbers.

Why? It doesn't appeal that much to urban dwellers...so fewer and fewer will probably want to do it.

Plus I think were going to have lots more artist. We are going to have lots more people gravitating towards making art or other jobs described in the above posts. We are going to have lots more singers, dancers, and actors. You know, stuff people really want to do with their lives.

Yes, that's a possibility. Back in the first half of the 20th century, there were a great many "little theaters" in England and some even in the United States. Amateurs would gather to put on plays -- both serious drama and light musicals -- just because they loved to do that stuff. And people came out to watch them do it.

That may well happen again.

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Yes were going to have lots more people gravitate towards fun work while tilling fields, smelting metal, and etching semi-conductors will suffer sever labor shortages.

ahhh_money_is_comfort

30th May 2005, 16:43

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2005, 02:03 PM
Besides, sometimes workers have no time and forces for self-education. Because they have to work too much and too hard.
Sometimes I come home so tired that simply can't read a book. I can watch TV a little and then go to bed.
That is why I wait for the revolution comrade. I can not wait to gravitate towards the work I prefer.

ahhh_money_is_comfort

30th May 2005, 16:44

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2005, 02:31 PM
I'm sure most normal people would rather play football or read a novel than watch two overgrown idiots beating each other up, or shooting dead animals for blood-thirsty fun.

I didint say that people must do those things to entertain themselves after the Revolution - i was saying that they could.
I'm 'sure' of things differently.

BTW I shoot live animals.

Publius

30th May 2005, 17:33

If people are too stupid and base for revolution then they are too stupid and base for your pet ideology.

No, my ideology is 'do whatever in the hell you want, just don't bother me'.

Anyone can do it.

redstar2000

30th May 2005, 18:31

Originally posted by ahhh_money_is_comfort+--> (ahhh_money_is_comfort)Yes we're going to have lots more people gravitate towards fun work while tilling fields, smelting metal, and etching semi-conductors will suffer severe labor shortages.[/b]

An illustration of the principle that debate with cappies is ultimately fruitless.

We attempt, at least, to respond to your objections (as poorly formulated as they usually are).

You...change the subject.

If your principle objection to communism is that no one will want to do "the dirty work", fine. That's been discussed in other threads.

Here, you began with a question about entertainment...and I and others attempted to respond to your concerns.

To no avail! Lacking any reasoned arguments -- or even further questions -- you just disappear in a cloud of spam.

It is as the poet Goethe observed: Against stupidity, the gods themselves contend in vain.

Publius
People are stupid and base. Get used to it.

Well, some people certainly are! :lol:

But why do they come to this board?

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Hegemonicretribution

30th May 2005, 20:06

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2005, 01:37 PM

I'm sure most normal people would rather play football or read a novel than watch two overgrown idiots beating each other up, or shooting dead animals for blood-thirsty fun.

I didint say that people must do those things to entertain themselves after the Revolution - i was saying that they could.

I'm quite sure you're wrong. People are stupid and base. Get used to it. It's one of the reasons why your revolution will never happen.

And in what sport do people shoot dead animals? In hunting, they shoot LIVE animals to make them dead.

Then they eat them.
I disagree, people are not stupid. (I would appreciate being exempted from a flamed response as I shall try and keep this answer free from any comment you can effectively prove as wrong) Some people may be what you are terming as stupid, but a hundred years ago the knowledge they possess would be so cutting edge they would change history, or be killed in an attempt to prevent this. Not everyone can be a genius, because a genius only exists when others around are not all as gifted.

I noticed also that you stated that the order of a hunt is along the lines of: 1)Kill an animal (making it no longer alive, which you helpfully pointed out is a key stage in hunting :)) 2)Then they eat them.

Well I know that the first stage is fairly neccessary, (although shooting is not the only method Mr Smarty Pants) although I am still wondering slightly about stage 2. You see I have been hunting several times, and enjoy eating meat. In fact personally I think eating meat when you are not prepared to kill for yourself is far from right, however I fail to see this second stage as neccessary at all. I have been out hunting with people that hunted for kicks. You appear to have little grasp of this proccess. Despite this you still felt that you could mock others based on their understanding.

I believe you called another member of this board arrogant, well it appears that the pot just called the kettle black. Stupidity won't prevent a "revolution", (I use the term lightly as I know this isn't perhaps the preffered route towards change for all here) however arrogance main be something that needs addressed. Personally I think that doing so will be one of the nicer jobs.

ahhh_money_is_comfort

30th May 2005, 23:53

Originally posted by bed_of_nails+May 30 2005, 08:23 AM--> (bed_of_nails @ May 30 2005, 08:23 AM)
[email protected] 30 2005, 06:35 AM
Well, since religion is an anti-revolutionary activity I suggest we bring back the Roman Coliseum and feed Christians to hungry lions, like they did back in the day. The Coliseums could be built to hold 50,000 spectators each, and the upper rows could have restaurants with food and refreshments. And since no one would want to miss the action while taking a piss, bathrooms could be installed behind one-way glass so no one misses anything. These could be collectively owned by the spectators, who would take turns maintaining the facility and taking care of the animals.

Also, special events could be held, such as having disco dancers fight with Jews. :D
Fuck Yes.

You are my new hero. [/b]
Hey where does these violent tendancies and fascination with violence fit with martial arts training? I have some training too and violence is highly frowned upon.

ahhh_money_is_comfort

30th May 2005, 23:58

Originally posted by redstar2000+May 30 2005, 06:31 PM--> (redstar2000 @ May 30 2005, 06:31 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected]
Yes we're going to have lots more people gravitate towards fun work while tilling fields, smelting metal, and etching semi-conductors will suffer severe labor shortages.

An illustration of the principle that debate with cappies is ultimately fruitless.

We attempt, at least, to respond to your objections (as poorly formulated as they usually are).

You...change the subject.

If your principle objection to communism is that no one will want to do "the dirty work", fine. That's been discussed in other threads.

Here, you began with a question about entertainment...and I and others attempted to respond to your concerns.

To no avail! Lacking any reasoned arguments -- or even further questions -- you just disappear in a cloud of spam.

It is as the poet Goethe observed: Against stupidity, the gods themselves contend in vain.

Publius
People are stupid and base. Get used to it.

Well, some people certainly are! :lol:

But why do they come to this board?

http://www.websmileys.com/sm/cool/123.gif [/b]
Geeez. OK forget I even mentioned it. I'll stick to entainment.

To that other guy about hunting. I don't eat the animals, I just shoot them. It is called varmit hunting. The purpose of which is to rid gophers of pasture land. Gopher holes kill and maim cattle. The proper way to deal with them is to shoot them, from long range. Gophers are smart you know, get too close and they duck and cover, thus the need to shoot them from long range.

bed_of_nails

31st May 2005, 01:39

You dont think he is serious, do you?

I simply think it would be an entertaining notion. We could have posters with titles such as "Revenge for the crusades".

Professor Moneybags

31st May 2005, 15:12

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2005, 04:33 PM
No, my ideology is 'do whatever in the hell you want, just don't bother me'.

Anyone can do it.
That is counter-revlutionary. You will have to be reducated or shot.

Publius

31st May 2005, 16:31

That is counter-revlutionary. You will have to be reducated or shot.

I was afraid of that.

Freedom.

Does.

Not.

Compute.

codyvo

31st May 2005, 16:40

Originally posted by ahhh_money_is_comfort+May 29 2005, 08:18 PM--> (ahhh_money_is_comfort @ May 29 2005, 08:18 PM)
[email protected] 29 2005, 09:09 PM
I'm sure after the Revolution people will be able to entertain themselves with things which can improve them mentally and/or physically - such as reading or playing sports.

No.

That is bouguise. I think you need some re-education comrade.

The workers want beer pubs, dart boards, and multiple sports channels.

It does not matter if you don't understand what to point is, the workers want it, they should get it, and you should not stand in thier way or your an anti-revolutionary.
[/b]
We are the workers party, not their *****es.

Sorry, I know this was back on page 1 but I thouht I really needed to say this, we can give the workers better wages and better treatment but we're not gonna just bend over for them.

Hegemonicretribution

31st May 2005, 18:25

Originally posted by Professor Moneybags+May 31 2005, 02:12 PM--> (Professor Moneybags @ May 31 2005, 02:12 PM)
[email protected] 30 2005, 04:33 PM
No, my ideology is 'do whatever in the hell you want, just don't bother me'.

Anyone can do it.
That is counter-revlutionary. You will have to be reducated or shot. [/b]
Some things should stay the same. I am sure that you can just be allienated for your political beliefs, just like many people here were (or are) during there education and working life. Why waste the lead?

Professor Moneybags

31st May 2005, 19:00

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2005, 05:25 PM
I am sure that you can just be allienated for your political beliefs, just like many people here were (or are) during there education
Dream on. Socialism is insitutionalized in colleges and universities.

Publius

31st May 2005, 19:19

Oh no! Don't ostracize me! Anything but that!

Hegemonicretribution

31st May 2005, 19:20

Originally posted by Professor Moneybags+May 31 2005, 06:00 PM--> (Professor Moneybags @ May 31 2005, 06:00 PM)
[email protected] 31 2005, 05:25 PM
I am sure that you can just be allienated for your political beliefs, just like many people here were (or are) during there education
Dream on. Socialism is insitutionalized in colleges and universities. [/b]
Yes in some respects, but definately not in primary schools and high schools. Formative years, and as far as many take education. As for the media... even the term is dirty.

*Hippie*

31st May 2005, 19:48

I hope after the revolution, people will follow their hearts and minds and they will know what to do for entertainment. For me, reading and posting and learning on the internet is my main hobbie. Also reading, going to concerts, and walking in nature. I don't think that will change. I also think it would be best to encourage reading and learning, ignorance is the main problem with many redneck conservatives. Ignorance turns you into a sheep. We want strong intelligent people to form the new society. I know some people are naturally smarter than others, but everyone should be educated to their own ability.

The Grapes of Wrath

31st May 2005, 21:31

Dream on. Socialism is insitutionalized in colleges and universities.

Ever take an economics class? Few universities are socialistic, some might have some classes that lean more towards the left, but c'mon, get real!

For the thread in general ... I would think that after the revolution people would be able to do what they wish (obviously not kill and steal and whatnot!). Why would it change much more than now?

I love to sit around with my friends outside on a nice day drinking beer, what is wrong with that? I also like to fish, and my friends like to hunt. Something tells me that people will still have the freedom and the option to do these things.

Socialism is trying to create a better world that will allow for such freedoms to exist more for everyone, not just blue collar workers or white collar workers, but all workers ... I don't think that sounds very utopian. It won't be perfect, but it can be much better, but certainly not a handout.

We want strong intelligent people to form the new society.

This is true. Education is probably one of the most important things anyone can have. To learn is to know.

TGOW

OleMarxco

31st May 2005, 21:35

Q'ed! There would be no real to shoot off counter-revolutionaries and reactionaries at spot, but as of the worker's militias will have to decide for themselves togheter what to do with 'em, it's up to 'rem and stuff, if they wan't to prevent getting "converted" (pulled back) into Capitalism again..as if anyone would want to....it's democratic decisions on punishments aswell. Some people sit down and say; "Well, what should we do with this yaddah-yaddah criminal" and then everyone votes on something. I don't care much enough to have a "police force" to uphold "the new system", who have set LAWS about certaint people....that would just plainly SUCK.

ahhh_money_is_comfort

4th June 2005, 02:21

Originally posted by codyvo+May 31 2005, 04:40 PM--> (codyvo @ May 31 2005, 04:40 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 08:18 PM

[email protected] 29 2005, 09:09 PM
I'm sure after the Revolution people will be able to entertain themselves with things which can improve them mentally and/or physically - such as reading or playing sports.

No.

That is bouguise. I think you need some re-education comrade.

The workers want beer pubs, dart boards, and multiple sports channels.

It does not matter if you don't understand what to point is, the workers want it, they should get it, and you should not stand in thier way or your an anti-revolutionary.

We are the workers party, not their *****es.

Sorry, I know this was back on page 1 but I thouht I really needed to say this, we can give the workers better wages and better treatment but we're not gonna just bend over for them. [/b]
And if your not working for what the protelariat want, your fighting the protelariat, and your an anti-revolutionary. So yes you are thier *****. Yes we will take the better wages and the better conditions; and if you don't deliver more of what we want you will be re-educated so your attitude will disappear or you will just made to disappear.

ahhh_money_is_comfort

4th June 2005, 02:24

Originally posted by *Hippie*@May 31 2005, 07:48 PM
I hope after the revolution, people will follow their hearts and minds and they will know what to do for entertainment. For me, reading and posting and learning on the internet is my main hobbie. Also reading, going to concerts, and walking in nature. I don't think that will change. I also think it would be best to encourage reading and learning, ignorance is the main problem with many redneck conservatives. Ignorance turns you into a sheep. We want strong intelligent people to form the new society. I know some people are naturally smarter than others, but everyone should be educated to their own ability.
No.

The protelariat will do what they want and NOT what you want. If education and self-education is low on our list of things to do, then so be it, and don't get in our way or else your an anti-revolutionary. I suggest you learn to live and understand the protelariant and drop your bougouise attitude of what YOU want.

*Hippie*

7th June 2005, 19:59

I said I think people should be "encouraged" to educate themselves. I didn't say it would be forced upon the workers. If it is truly a dictatorship of the proletariat, then don't we want the people to be intelligent? Many people enjoy learning, and I think everyone on this board enjoys learning on they would not be here. The people who don't enjoy learning would not have to study, it would be a personal choice.

ahhh_money_is_comfort

7th June 2005, 21:18

Originally posted by *Hippie*@Jun 7 2005, 07:59 PM
I said I think people should be "encouraged" to educate themselves. I didn't say it would be forced upon the workers. If it is truly a dictatorship of the proletariat, then don't we want the people to be intelligent? Many people enjoy learning, and I think everyone on this board enjoys learning on they would not be here. The people who don't enjoy learning would not have to study, it would be a personal choice.
Ok I can live with that. Now let us get back to our multiple sports channles and beer pubs. You know that is what we want. You know it don't you? So don't stand in thier way or else.

Raisa

8th June 2005, 23:18

Hmm....but I am not so familiar with all this blue collar tv shit that you think we are all doing. That is a certain group of mostly white people- and even then it is a stereo type of them. I am working class for my whole life, and I dont know shit about hunting or any of that.

I do know about get togethers. Where you make a whole lot of food and get your loved ones all together at your house and put some good music.

I know about parties...

Going to the club....

Sometimes people just sit around and get high or have some drinks together......

Sometimes you even go to the movies or a concert.

There are public festivals too sometimes.

Then there is TV. And reading, and being creative. Dont forget- we do that too!

And sometimes at the end of the day, you just want to sit on the portch and have a laugh with someone.

I know yall arent that boozhie that I have to tell you all this....but some people seem to be getting their information about working people from TV so I dont know....

ahhh_money_is_comfort

12th June 2005, 01:18

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2005, 11:18 PM
Hmm....but I am not so familiar with all this blue collar tv shit that you think we are all doing. That is a certain group of mostly white people- and even then it is a stereo type of them. I am working class for my whole life, and I dont know shit about hunting or any of that.

I do know about get togethers. Where you make a whole lot of food and get your loved ones all together at your house and put some good music.

I know about parties...

Going to the club....

Sometimes people just sit around and get high or have some drinks together......

Sometimes you even go to the movies or a concert.

There are public festivals too sometimes.

Then there is TV. And reading, and being creative. Dont forget- we do that too!

And sometimes at the end of the day, you just want to sit on the portch and have a laugh with someone.

I know yall arent that boozhie that I have to tell you all this....but some people seem to be getting their information about working people from TV so I dont know....
I'm sorry, but that parts of those sounds very bougouise.