Communism is the opium of the masses

[Prabhat]

It is a famous swear slogan of Communism, that religion is the opium of the masses.

But the reality is another, even the exact opposite.

In fact, Communism is the opium of the masses.

It waits for the anarchic conditions in a country and when such conditions it takes it over by coup or manipulations of the society.

And where there is no anarchic conditions there they try to create it by bringing economic collpase of that country.

Communists are a sort of fifth column in the country out to destroy it.

They cash on the plight of masses of the third world and thrust their totalitarian regimes over them to exploit them up to hilt.

So wake up O! remaining communists from the slumber and leave Communism.

[RedStarOverChina]

Hey hindu loonie. U will be restricted in approximately 10 mins or so. Thanx for reading my thread on orkut tho.

[Prabhat]

Thanks you Red loonie.

But banning wont help, as you will have only some die-hard communists weaving utopian dream here. :)

[Zingu]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 05:41 AM
It is a famous swear slogan of Communism, that religion is the opium of the masses.

But the reality is another, even the exact opposite.

In fact, Communism is the opium of the masses.

It waits for the anarchic conditions in a country and when such conditions it takes it over by coup or manipulations of the society.

And where there is no anarchic conditions there they try to create it by bringing economic collpase of that country.

Communists are a sort of fifth column in the country out to destroy it.

They cash on the plight of masses of the third world and thrust their totalitarian regimes over them to exploit them up to hilt.

So wake up O! remaining communists from the slumber and leave Communism.
Communism is order without hierarchy, not the other way around. :rolleyes:

I can't believe you have the intellectual ability to refute thousands of pages written by Marx, Engels, Lenin, Bakunin, Prouhoun, Trotsky, ect...


How about we point out the evils of capitalism instead? Do you think we are Communists for no reason? Just because its a good idea?

No!

[encephalon]

poor hindus. Thousands of gods and not a reliable one among them.

[ahhh_money_is_comfort]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 06:41 AM
It is a famous swear slogan of Communism, that religion is the opium of the masses.

But the reality is another, even the exact opposite.

In fact, Communism is the opium of the masses.

It waits for the anarchic conditions in a country and when such conditions it takes it over by coup or manipulations of the society.

And where there is no anarchic conditions there they try to create it by bringing economic collpase of that country.

Communists are a sort of fifth column in the country out to destroy it.

They cash on the plight of masses of the third world and thrust their totalitarian regimes over them to exploit them up to hilt.

So wake up O! remaining communists from the slumber and leave Communism.
I would more characterize communism as the opium of the meglomanics. Folks who dream of control, dominace, and replacing the ruling class with themselves.

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by ahhh_money_is_comfort+May 29 2005, 02:25 AM--> (ahhh_money_is_comfort @ May 29 2005, 02:25 AM)
[email protected] 29 2005, 06:41 AM
It is a famous swear slogan of Communism, that religion is the opium of the masses.

But the reality is another, even the exact opposite.

In fact, Communism is the opium of the masses.

It waits for the anarchic conditions in a country and when such conditions it takes it over by coup or manipulations of the society.

And where there is no anarchic conditions there they try to create it by bringing economic collpase of that country.

Communists are a sort of fifth column in the country out to destroy it.

They cash on the plight of masses of the third world and thrust their totalitarian regimes over them to exploit them up to hilt.

So wake up O! remaining communists from the slumber and leave Communism.
I would more characterize communism as the opium of the meglomanics. Folks who dream of control, dominace, and replacing the ruling class with themselves. [/b]
Yeah, you are to politics what junk is to science. Why don't you stop distorting political terms?

[encephalon]

I would more characterize communism as the opium of the meglomanics. Folks who dream of control, dominace, and replacing the ruling class with themselves.

From ahh_money_is_comfort's dictionary of misrepresenations:

Megalomania: n. replacing the rule by 2% of the world with the rule of the other 98%.

[ahhh_money_is_comfort]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 09:34 AM

I would more characterize communism as the opium of the meglomanics. Folks who dream of control, dominace, and replacing the ruling class with themselves.

From ahh_money_is_comfort's dictionary of misrepresenations:

Megalomania: n. replacing the rule by 2% of the world with the rule of the other 98%.
Nope. I don't propose anything. So I don't propose using or replacing any kind of rule by this many percent and that many percent.

How many megalomaics do you know that have lived where called 'comrade'?

[encephalon]

How many megalomaics do you know that have lived where called 'comrade'?

wtf?!? I don'y even know what that's supposed to mean. :P

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by ahhh_money_is_comfort+May 29 2005, 02:39 AM--> (ahhh_money_is_comfort @ May 29 2005, 02:39 AM)
[email protected] 29 2005, 09:34 AM

I would more characterize communism as the opium of the meglomanics. Folks who dream of control, dominace, and replacing the ruling class with themselves.

From ahh_money_is_comfort's dictionary of misrepresenations:

Megalomania: n. replacing the rule by 2% of the world with the rule of the other 98%.
Nope. I don't propose anything. So I don't propose using or replacing any kind of rule by this many percent and that many percent.

How many megalomaics do you know that have lived where called 'comrade'? [/b]
:lol: This guy just begs to be put into signatures... I would use him to beat up a straw man ;)

[encephalon]

This guy just begs to be put into signatures... I would use him to beat up a straw man

Let me know when you're finished using him as a straw man.. I'm running low on tinder.

[ahhh_money_is_comfort]

Originally posted by 313C7 iVi4RX+May 29 2005, 09:50 AM--> (313C7 iVi4RX @ May 29 2005, 09:50 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 02:39 AM

[email protected] 29 2005, 09:34 AM

I would more characterize communism as the opium of the meglomanics. Folks who dream of control, dominace, and replacing the ruling class with themselves.

From ahh_money_is_comfort's dictionary of misrepresenations:

Megalomania: n. replacing the rule by 2% of the world with the rule of the other 98%.
Nope. I don't propose anything. So I don't propose using or replacing any kind of rule by this many percent and that many percent.

How many megalomaics do you know that have lived where called 'comrade'?
:lol: This guy just begs to be put into signatures... I would use him to beat up a straw man ;) [/b]
Do you remember Rice?

He was some megalomanic wasn't he? Communist too I may add. Was he pretty typical of a megalomanic? Getting hard ons with the idea of communism and him at the top?

[encephalon]

I didn't even realize he left. huh.

In any case, he was a stalinist. Not quite representative of the left as a whole.

[NovelGentry]

If communism is an opium of the masses it is an opium that drives you to quit.

[NovelGentry]

I didn't even realize he left. huh.

He didn't leave, he was banned.

[Uncle Banana Head]

this thread is absolutely ridiculous!

[OleMarxco]

Perhaps it will get into the hall of shames, for at most. I've seen this counter-rhetoric before! Mildly anti-drivel, so sure in it's case it defies the need to even put up with a real challenge of arguments! BAH! :che:

[bed_of_nails]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 05:41 AM
It is a famous swear slogan of Communism, that religion is the opium of the masses.

But the reality is another, even the exact opposite.

In fact, Communism is the opium of the masses.

It waits for the anarchic conditions in a country and when such conditions it takes it over by coup or manipulations of the society.

And where there is no anarchic conditions there they try to create it by bringing economic collpase of that country.

Communists are a sort of fifth column in the country out to destroy it.

They cash on the plight of masses of the third world and thrust their totalitarian regimes over them to exploit them up to hilt.

So wake up O! remaining communists from the slumber and leave Communism.
Do you think you are witty or something?

Do you think you are the first person to have said such things?

[Clarksist]

Woah... trying to liberate a group of exploited people is the opium of the masses? Marx meant that religion takes away a lot of our deepest fears and make us live in a state out of reality.

[Jersey Devil]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 09:11 PM
Woah... trying to liberate a group of exploited people is the opium of the masses?
No, unquestionably following dogma is.

[ahhh_money_is_comfort]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 10:14 AM
I didn't even realize he left. huh.

In any case, he was a stalinist. Not quite representative of the left as a whole.
Yes he was not the majority and so was Stalin. That is the whole point of communism and stalinism I'm trying to make. While the intellectuals are in the tea room planning what they want to do with the protelariat, the Stalinist are in the back alley waiting for it to get dark. Then they will break down your door to the tea room and take you away to a secret grave and a bullet in the back of the head.

[Publius]

I prefer: The masses are the opiate of communism.

The communists spit their rhetoric about the plight of the workers, when the workers aren't even angry at their own plight.

Communism become obsolete as workplace conditions improved.

[ahhh_money_is_comfort]

Yup. In the countries that are 'good candidates' for communism, the protelerait are getting fat, dumb, and happy. Basically more bougouise every day. It is not uncommon to find bougouise cars and material goods in blue colar neighborhoods now.
Yeah I find it kind of funny. Workers at work at a factory, while commies picket the factory from the outside. They get mad because the workers are not paying attention to thier protest.

[Ace]

In the countries that are 'good candidates' for communism, the protelerait are getting fat, dumb, and happy.

Doesn't that statement support an argument for communism? If indeed the proletarians are getting fat dumb and happy, aren't they just another bunch of people that are products of capitalism? As in, "Lets keep the people fat, dumb and happy so thoughts of revolution are not in there minds?"


It is not uncommon to find bougouise cars and material goods in blue colar neighborhoods now.

Ok, so in a FEW areas some petty bourgeois are popping up, the people in general are still getting screwed over. I could care less what happens to a few people, I concern myself with the majority of the population and the majority of the population are getting screwed over by capitalism. You watch your bourgeois media and all u see is well-to-do communities, but what about the hundreds of thousands of communities that are even below the damn poverty line?


Workers at work at a factory, while commies picket the factory from the outside. They get mad because the workers are not paying attention to thier protest.

Any true communist/Marxist who gets mad because the people aren't paying attention to them should find a different ideology, communists are suppose to be the leaders of the revolutionist idea, they should be understanding of people like you. People who support the system that fucks them over everyday. Instead of parading around this forum saying" Oh you evil communists, you are all dumb". Why don't you pick up a book on communism and read it with an open mind. Do you think everyone here one day decided to be socialists/communists just for the hell of it?

Everyone one here took an intelligent and scientific look at capitalism and compared it with the idea of communism. People like you however (excuse me, I try not to judge others but sometimes I can't help) never take the time to read any Marxist material with an open mind, instead you would rather insult communists then understand us. I often wonder about people like you, why don't you go insult Nazi's or fascists on there forums? At least our ideology is about empowering the people, where as Republican, Nazi, and fascist ideologies are about taking power away from the people.

Don't get me wrong either, I've been in your shoes, I was born in a very conservative and racist household, for many years I held very republican values. But it wasn't till I picked up the communist manifesto that I started seeing things in a different light, or more clearly. Everything Marx talked about I saw in America. Propaganda, exploiting the labor, lies, senseless wars, life lost just to make a buck, greed, and the people loving the government for every terrible atrocity they committed. I'm sure everyone on this site at on point thought as you do, but then they grew up. They started making intelligent comparisons of there current government to governments such as the Nazi government in the 1930's and the police states of the more curried socialist countries, to that of ancient Rome where many crimes where committed by the state.

If I had to sum up what communism is, it would be different from Marx's answer, I would say it is a system that stops us from repeating mistakes of the past. I can understand why you dislike communists, because your government tells you too, but can't you even make an effort to understand us or what we believe in? I'm sorry to rant but it gets me so angry when the very people we are trying to bring to power tell us they would rather make fun of us then live freely.

[Publius]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2005, 05:24 PM




If I had to sum up what communism is, it would be different from Marx's answer, I would say it is a system that stops us from repeating mistakes of the past. I can understand why you dislike communists, because your government tells you too, but can't you even make an effort to understand us or what we believe in? I'm sorry to rant but it gets me so angry when the very people we are trying to bring to power tell us they would rather make fun of us then live freely.

Doesn't that statement support an argument for communism? If indeed the proletarians are getting fat dumb and happy, aren't they just another bunch of people that are products of capitalism? As in, "Lets keep the people fat, dumb and happy so thoughts of revolution are not in there minds?"

WE MUST END CAPITALISM! THE CAPITALISTS ARE MAKING PEOPLE HAPPY! DOWN WITH HAPPINESS!

Do you think these things through?


Ok, so in a FEW areas some petty bourgeois are popping up, the people in general are still getting screwed over. I could care less what happens to a few people, I concern myself with the majority of the population and the majority of the population are getting screwed over by capitalism. You watch your bourgeois media and all u see is well-to-do communities, but what about the hundreds of thousands of communities that are even below the damn poverty line?

A few areas? Modern Americans are vastly wealth, percapita.

We have houses, refridgerators, cars, computers, TVs, DVD players, and literally hundreds of other consumer products, and you proclaim we're being 'screwed over by capitalism'.


Any true communist/Marxist who gets mad because the people aren't paying attention to them should find a different ideology, communists are suppose to be the leaders of the revolutionist idea, they should be understanding of people like you. People who support the system that fucks them over everyday. Instead of parading around this forum saying" Oh you evil communists, you are all dumb". Why don't you pick up a book on communism and read it with an open mind. Do you think everyone here one day decided to be socialists/communists just for the hell of it?

How does capitalism fuck me over every day?

Why is it that this 'open minded' thing only applies when reading communist literature?

What pro-capitalist books do you have on your shelf?




Everyone one here took an intelligent and scientific look at capitalism and compared it with the idea of communism. People like you however (excuse me, I try not to judge others but sometimes I can't help) never take the time to read any Marxist material with an open mind, instead you would rather insult communists then understand us. I often wonder about people like you, why don't you go insult Nazi's or fascists on there forums? At least our ideology is about empowering the people, where as Republican, Nazi, and fascist ideologies are about taking power away from the people.

What misguided elitism.

Yes, you're just plain better than us.


Don't get me wrong either, I've been in your shoes, I was born in a very conservative and racist household, for many years I held very republican values. But it wasn't till I picked up the communist manifesto that I started seeing things in a different light, or more clearly. Everything Marx talked about I saw in America. Propaganda, exploiting the labor, lies, senseless wars, life lost just to make a buck, greed, and the people loving the government for every terrible atrocity they committed. I'm sure everyone on this site at on point thought as you do, but then they grew up. They started making intelligent comparisons of there current government to governments such as the Nazi government in the 1930's and the police states of the more curried socialist countries, to that of ancient Rome where many crimes where committed by the state.

You've never been in my shoes and you don't know shit about me, or him.




If I had to sum up what communism is, it would be different from Marx's answer, I would say it is a system that stops us from repeating mistakes of the past. I can understand why you dislike communists, because your government tells you too, but can't you even make an effort to understand us or what we believe in? I'm sorry to rant but it gets me so angry when the very people we are trying to bring to power tell us they would rather make fun of us then live freely.

Thanks for the inspiration: "Communists: Stop making the mistakes of the past, help us make the mistakes of the future!"

[Ace]

WE MUST END CAPITALISM! THE CAPITALISTS ARE MAKING PEOPLE HAPPY! DOWN WITH HAPPINESS!

Do you think these things through?

No one can argue that capitalism doesn't create happiness, because it does, for the one percent minority. Do you think these things through?

A few areas? Modern Americans are vastly wealth, percapita.

We have houses, refridgerators, cars, computers, TVs, DVD players, and literally hundreds of other consumer products, and you proclaim we're being 'screwed over by capitalism'.

Indeed I do, because contrary to your belief that everyone has these luxuries, its false. In fact more people worry about paying there rent on time to there bourgeois landlord, then they do worrying about what there going to buy next at sears... Few people, own there house, most pay a ridiculous amount of rent to there landlords, and the cars that people do have are cheap pieces of junk, that barely last for a year. This is because most people don't have the money to buy themselves a decent car, much less a Lexus. As for dvd players, and hundreds of other consumer products, Rent usually is priority number one on that list.

Many, many people don't have these commodities, assuming we all do however, how long will that last? Yes, for a second lets assume you are correct, that every American is wealthy, but for how long? Capitalism shows us that capitalism has no place to go but down. Depressions are inevitable, recessions are assured. Communism would seek to change that trend.


How does capitalism fuck me over every day?

Why is it that this 'open minded' thing only applies when reading communist literature?

What pro-capitalist books do you have on your shelf?

Great questions! Lets first start with "How does capitalism fuck me over?" Well if your under the idea that with capitalism comes social problems, then it fucks you over in a number of ways. For example, lets say your an average middle class guy, you pay your taxes, sing the national anthem, etc.. One day you felt it was time for you to gain a raise in your paycheck, in fact the whole company felt that way. Now if you believe that your typical capitalist believes in two things, increased production and increased profits, how do you think he would respond to his labor force demanding increased wages? He can A) do that and lose out on increased profits, B)fire what he can of his staff to raise profits, specifically those who are striking, or C) fire the lot of you to hire a new work force that would be less demanding and work for a smaller salary?

My money says either B or C. Now to the point, You think that when your ass gets fired for asking for a higher wage it has nothing to do with capitalism? In fact when there is a high unemployment in the nation, believe it or not that's damn good for business. Another point would be social problems, capitalism creates such things, for example, lets say you have this girl you really like, and you want to ask her out, But wait! Did you forget your boss hasn't increased your wages and you just barely paid all of your utilities? To bad, this one was a looker to :D , now because your ass is broke because of the system, you missed you chance to take this lovely lady somewhere. The list goes on, from the smallest to biggest problems in your life can all be directed at the system. Marx didn't just create the idea of communism because waiting in the doctors office was taking to long, he did it because he saw the answer to social and economic problems.

On to the "Why is it that this 'open minded' thing only applies when reading communist literature?" question, the answer to this puzzling question is, its not. I always keep an open-mind when I'm reading literature from a sides of the political sphere, I was making a suggestion for the person I replied to, to do the same.

Last but not least" What pro-capitalist books do you have on your shelf?" Well I don't have much, like most of my sources for education on politics I turn to the internet, I read both articles for Marxists and from capitalists. In fact for a while I use to read post's from a forum called "Capitalist Paradise". I tend to practice what I preach, and I try not to remain to bias in my opinions, although sometimes my emotions get the better of me.


What misguided elitism.

Yes, you're just plain better than us.


Don't put words in my mouth. I took an observation of how you act and respond on these forums, and I came to a conclusion, I never said that I was better then anyone.


You've never been in my shoes and you don't know shit about me, or him.

Not specifically no, it was merely an expression, you really need to relax.



Thanks for the inspiration: "Communists: Stop making the mistakes of the past, help us make the mistakes of the future!"

Mistakes will always be made, but it seems the system doesn't like to follow the idea of "Learning from your mistakes". It just keeps making them, and peoples lives are the price. You really are quite mean spirited aren't you?