Using this internet...

[anomaly]

In my oher socialist forum, I submitted the idea of an internet forum takeover, of sorts, by us anti-capitalists. I propose that we show the capitalists our numbers and show them our collective strength. To do this, I propose that we all choose the largest pro-capitalist forum on the internet, probably one based in the USA, and join it. We begin to educate the masses by submitting our ideas. The reason for this idea is that I feel we must have the radical left, surely the most important group left out of today's centrist politics, represented. So are there any out there who wish to join me on this crusade of sorts? After all, the internet is a huge, vast tool, so why don't we use it? Why don't we make our presence felt?

[*Hippie*]

I would be happy to join with you. So many people spend hours a day on the internet, it would be the best way to reach the masses. The only problem is having the mods on these sites not banning us. We would have to be careful not to put these people on the defensive or they may not listen to what we say.

[More Fire for the People]

Go for it, it won't contribute to the revolution at all but hell sounds like some fun.

Just make sure you tell me what forum ;)

[codyvo]

I would be willing to participate.
I think the farthest right site is stormfront but those nazi fucks would just ban us or not even listen to what we have to say, plus they outnumber us by quite a bit, it is really scary.
We should look for like a site full of republicans or maybe we could first work on bringing the democrats further to the left it would be a lot more easy than working on the right wing.

[workersunity]

welp that would work to a degree, but many right wing forums would just ban us and call us trolls, i say find the moderate forums first

[codyvo]

I agree, you have to pick and choose, otherwise you will be trying to convince people that are so stubborn that you really don't have any chance and you will just be wasting time that could have been used on getting "liberals" to take the next step.

[anomaly]

I've heard of some forum called 'America's debate' that supposedly has several thousand members. But we must gether a sufficient amount of people first. So far, I have seven willing to join me (on this and another socialist site), but of course that's not nearly enough. I figure if we can somewhere around 100, or maybe even 50, volunteers, we can 'invade', if you will, some capitalist site. I do not want a Nazi site, though. They are already discredited by the true holders of power, the capitalists. I have 2 basic reasons for wanting such a move: 1. It will be a showing of socialist strength to capitalists who currently believe socialism is very very weak, it is a symbolic gesture. 2. The move could serve as a way of gethering 'recruits', those previously uneducated capitalists who show favor toward the idea of socialism once they are enlightened.

On a darker note, I'm wondering, do those 'nazi fucks' really outnumber us, even on this site? I mean we do have 7505 members on this site alone.

[bunk]

I will be willing to participate :ph34r:

[slim]

I would be glad to help this ambitious scheme.

I find that i have a gift for stepping into peoples shoes so i suggets that we all try to assimilate into the right wing ideas for a while on the forum we attack. It will be difficult for us morally but in the end theyll love us and we may ourselves become moderators. That is when the second wave strikes. All the leftists on the net can post on a forum that is modded by commies, marvelous.

[slim]

Right lets do this thing.

Anomaly calls the shots on what forum to go to, when to do it and what tactics to use.

I plead with the 7000 other members to follow his lead. You saw the nazi in the history thread, now its our revenge. We must all work together to smash the forums of the right wing fascists.

[anomaly]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 05:26 PM
Right lets do this thing.

Anomaly calls the shots on what forum to go to, when to do it and what tactics to use.

I plead with the 7000 other members to follow his lead. You saw the nazi in the history thread, now its our revenge. We must all work together to smash the forums of the right wing fascists.
Perhaps stormfront is the way to go...what do you guys think? Perhaps our little band of rebels is enough to provide some moderate discomfort to those nazi sons of *****es. This first forum raid will be merely to spit in the faces of some nazi scum...later on we can begin to contact some democrats or move on to htis larger forum I have described. But for now I say we work, the few of us here, as a band of socialists on this stormfront site you have mentioned. First, though, I request input from my comrades. Perhaps tomorrow, Memorial Day (sort of fitting, in a way, that we begin on such a patriotic holiday...), we can together take on stormfront, if my comrades agree. Oh, and the tactics, my friends, shall be anything your inventive minds can think of...I my self plan to forst alert them of the growing socialist movement, and then, once they pathetically respond, work together wiht you all to establish socialist debate in all forums. That way we can convert the site from being a nice nazi get-together to a good place for socialist discussion. I have to know, though, are these guys capitalists or fascists (in other words, how badly do we hate them)?

So, yea or nay from you on invading stormfront, perhaps setting up some socialist debate (until we get banned), and then, by the end of next week probably, move on to a more moderate site?

[codyvo]

Honestly, I think going on the nazi forum would just be a waste of time, we literally have zero chance of converting one of them. I say we go for democrats, they think that they are leftist so if we slowly and non-maliciously spread our deas I think we might actually draw some more members in. Also because some of us may not check this thread I suggest you send a personal message to all those who are interested in participating before we actually do anything.

[bunk]

Stormfront moderates everything you post. I would agree with going to some people who we might convert.

[slim]

I am trying to get into their swing of things. Im a nazi woot! lol.

My name's "Collins ressurection" just in case i run into trouble and need backup.

[RedAnarchist]

Its a good idea, and i agree with targeting Democrats/non-american variants of Democrats.

But, we should try not to let them know which site we are members of - just in case of any trouble.

[More Fire for the People]

I think going to Democratic and "liberal" message board would be a better idea as well.

American liberalism is an infantile disorder but through education, children grow to adults, and thus we could lead them to socialism or even better yet Marxism.

[anomaly]

The consensus is clear. Slim, get outta there! Nazis will be left to themselves. I have a prepared backup. Let's all go to my home forum: debatepolitics.com . I have a few cappies there whom I hate, and I'd love to get numbers of socialists there to crush the cappie fools. I'm anomaly on debatepolitics as well. Be sure to concentrate your posts on that site in the economics and religion and philosophy forums as that;s where the debate we're looking for is located. Currently, there are 5 Marxists, I think, on the site, myself included. Before I got there, socialism vs. capitalism debate simply was nonexistent. With this groups help, the debate will be made permanent. I must warn you, however, of two members. One is RightatNYU, and he is the only educated cappie on the site. He's intelligent, so be prepared for some heavy debate if you encounter him. The other is GPSflex who is the resident ignorant cappie bastard. He will use namecalling to prove his point, and he;s an idiot who's convinced he's right. Make sure to do everything you can to make GPS look as foolish as possible.

Debatepolitics is small, only 539 members, but it should also be easy to overrun the resident capitalists, and perhaps even drive some away. On the site, make sure to actually debate, not just terrorize the palce as we'd do on a nazi site. There are 5 resident capitalists (well, most are cappies, but only 5 of them debate in favor of capitalism specifically.). With our group, we will outnumber them. This will be a good test run o see how much damage we can do. This is a balanced site, with a very equal number of leftists and rightists. Be ready for a struggle, but be confident that our numbers will give us the eventual vistory over the capitalists. The end goal is to convert the site into a socialist site. I ask now for or participants in this new struggle, as there is, of course, power in numbers. I'll check this site tomorrow to see how many participants we have, but as soon as you read this join debatepolitics, ideally with the same names you have on this site so I can recognize you. I'm asking for members from our friends on my other socialist site as well. I'll see you guys on the other side...on debatepolitics.

[Zingu]

Do NOT post on the stormfront forums, its known that the FBI logs every ip that registers there.

Its not worth it anyways.

I'm willing to take part in the invasion of moderate or moderate right wing forums though.

[anomaly]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2005, 04:31 AM
Do NOT post on the stormfront forums, its known that the FBI logs every ip that registers there.

Its not worth it anyways.

I'm willing to take part in the invasion of moderate or moderate right wing forums though.
Yes, I've made my decision. I've abandoned stormfront, and i've decided upon the small debatepolitics.com forums. Comrades, yea or nay on invading debatepolitics?

[RedAnarchist]

Its small and we have a member there already. I say yay.

I've joined as XPhile2868.

[Clarksist]

Comrades, I have joined as redcommie, I am with you.

But, lets not be beligerent, angry, or assinine. Lets only show our compassion.

[*Hippie*]

I'll register as Hippie or something similar and be ready to post first thing in the morning after some sleep! I am confident in our numbers.

I did visit that horrible Nazi site just to check it out and felt like throwing up after. How can any real humans be so full of hate and ignorance? :o

On with the internet revolution!

[*Hippie*]

I just added onto the arguments on the thread on the Economics forum. I need one of you guys take over for awhile. I am not getting through to them. :o

Oh, get this, they made fun of my name Hippie. :huh:

Good luck!

[*Hippie*]

Oh, I forgot to add, I think this thread should be a sticky if possible. I hope we can reach some cappies with our message!

[More Fire for the People]

I am curious as to whom may be V.I. Lenin ?
By the way, I am Spirit of Nirvana.

[codyvo]

Sorry I haven't checked up on this thread in a while, I think I'll register as codyvo.

[Zingu]

Yeah, I'll join in tommorow, a bit late here.

I'll be registering as Comrade_Cosmo or Zingu.

[anomaly]

Very good, comrades. This is going very nicely. Be sure to concentrate your arguments in one of the important forums, one of the cappie vs. commie sorts. Oh, and you will have to excuse me for shwoing my contempt for some of the cappies on debatepolitics...BPSflex in general is an ignorant and arrogant one. I haven't spoken to that Arthur Fonzarelli but he too seems extremely ignorant. May I give my comrades some advice, though: be sure not to advocate 'equal wages' or any anti-religious talk. We want to gain support here, even while crushing the cappie fools, so be sure not to include such ill-minded ideas. I myself have an entire system proposed right now that is so far inpenetrable to their mindless onslaught, so you may do well to see my ideas. Look in 'theory' on this site and in socialist economy for my basic economic idea. I'm still trying to contact VILenin on debate politics to copy/paste my political idea so that you may see it, but so far with no success. BTW, VILenin is a loyal socialist who is also very intelligent. He is our comrade, no cappie punk, in case you had that idea...this idea has turned out rather well, and any more anticapitalists willing to come to debatepolitics to join us are welcome. The more the better. To those who are already with me on debatepolitics, I thank you for the support. There are about ten of us now, and it is quite easy to see that the capitalists are becoming rather alarmed at our growing numbers. Good luck posting.

Comradely, Anomaly

[RedAnarchist]

We've got to be careful though - soon they will start to suspect an invasion.

[*Hippie*]

Well, I advocate equal wages. But I will try to avoid arguing those points as it might be a little too radical for them yet. We can push them to the left a little at a time. Some of them are very rude but I am trying to be nice! :blink:
I think we are doing a good job.

[codyvo]

I joined as codyvo, I made a few posts, I tried to hold back but I got a little bit angry. Anyways I think we're making some serious ground on some of the democrats on that site.

[bunk]

I joined as josh, i think if we debate properly then it's not an invasion just a mass joining. I'm not that good at debating though so i'll just have a go, it looks quite a good forum for debate.

[anomaly]

Originally posted by *Hippie*@Jun 1 2005, 06:41 AM
Well, I advocate equal wages. But I will try to avoid arguing those points as it might be a little too radical for them yet. We can push them to the left a little at a time. Some of them are very rude but I am trying to be nice! :blink:
I think we are doing a good job.
I'd be careful with this idea, Hippie. I obviously think a bit differently from you on this point, but you are my comrade nonetheless, and my time will not be sufficiently spent debating a comrade. Differing opinions, as long as they only slightly differ, are overall likely good for the movement, as many cappies view the movement as taking away from individualism. Therefore, minor differences among us will in the end prove to be a good thing. But the reason I say be careful with this idea, is that once you post it (you already have, though), you'll never hear the end of capitalist bullshit. But I think I'll aid you in debating these fools, as not a one of them can successfully debate me (nor can they successfully debate any of you, if you exerience any setbacks in your convos with these fools, be not worried, as your comrades are there to aid you and pick you up. Any anti-capitalist can out debate any capitalist IMO). I think that from now on we should focus on agreeing with each other as comrades, and concentrate all of our debating efforts against the capitalists. These things I've described will show our unity as well as our individualism, and make us look that much better to the capitalists.

Yes, I would agree, things are going exceedingly well at this point in time, and I've noticed , for one thing, the disappearance (so far) of one GPsflex. I've also noticed the rightatNYU is staying away from the debates. The majority of those discussing are either twisted fools or, more importantly, interested yet cautious liberals. This was exactly our intention, and so far we are doing our job marvelously.

[slim]

If any comrades want to reconnect with themselves i recommend CrimethInc. it is a brilliant collection of essays on individualism aimed at anarchists but it will work for most freethinking ideologies.

[Donnie]

I would like to join your "socialist takeover" although I don't want to advocate state socialist ideas I want to advocate libertarian socialism. Although if I do go to the forum I’m not going to get to the nitty gritty about the state not being necessary, instead I’m going to focus more on the individual and co-operation and collective ownership.

[slim]

Welcome onboard friend.

[bunk]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2005, 02:12 PM
Welcome onboard friend.
what's your username on debatepolitics?

[slim]

On debatepolitics 'tis slim.

[anomaly]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2005, 01:57 PM
I would like to join your "socialist takeover" although I don't want to advocate state socialist ideas I want to advocate libertarian socialism. Although if I do go to the forum I’m not going to get to the nitty gritty about the state not being necessary, instead I’m going to focus more on the individual and co-operation and collective ownership.
What 'libertarian' socialist ideas are you talking about? Libertarianism and socialism seem quite at odds with each other...perhaps you should explain yourself.

By the way, comrades, I'd like to see more posting and debating with these cappie fools. Codvo and Hippie seem to be the main posters so far, and my friedn VILenin has been absent from the discussion for a few days. Once school ends and we have more time allocated to us, perhaps posting can really take on a new level.

On another note, are any of their capitalist ideas getting to you? If so, talk to me in private. Their bourgeois bullshit no longer works on me, as I am the original socialist on their site. I see no content to their arguments, and I'm especially displeased with a student of economics on the site who claims to have read Capital Vol. 1, yet seems as ignorant of Marxism as any. But if any of you have trouble debating them, let me know, either here or on DP.

[Clarksist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2005, 04:26 AM
What 'libertarian' socialist ideas are you talking about? Libertarianism and socialism seem quite at odds with each other...perhaps you should explain yourself.

By the way, comrades, I'd like to see more posting and debating with these cappie fools. Codvo and Hippie seem to be the main posters so far, and my friedn VILenin has been absent from the discussion for a few days. Once school ends and we have more time allocated to us, perhaps posting can really take on a new level.

On another note, are any of their capitalist ideas getting to you? If so, talk to me in private. Their bourgeois bullshit no longer works on me, as I am the original socialist on their site. I see no content to their arguments, and I'm especially displeased with a student of economics on the site who claims to have read Capital Vol. 1, yet seems as ignorant of Marxism as any. But if any of you have trouble debating them, let me know, either here or on DP.
I believe he is talking about Anarcho-Communism, or just Anarchy.

On another note, about the posting. The forum seems more hostile than here, but they have a less worldly view. It seems that they are only consentrated on well established politics, so being on the far left, it seems hard to have to explain every bit of what I say. But I'm gonna start posting more... don't worry.

[anomaly]

I have created a basic political and economic model. It seems to work well against their ruthless asaults. If you would like, I'll show them to you, and at the very least perhaps they'll give you some new ideas. Working with a system is far easier than just having a vague idea of what you want.

I'm not sure if I'm exactly thrilled about having an anti-socialist anarchist on board. What do you others think of this?

[bunk]

I'm going to start spreading an anarcho-communist message if i can.

[The American Bolshevik]

You don't have zero chance of converting a National Socialist (Nazi) to our way of thinking. If Nazis are submitted to long amounts of Marxist teaching/Anarchist teachings/ etc., then most of them today will convert.

Take it from a former Nazi who converted.

[C_Rasmussen]

I understand that you guys are trying to stick up for what you think is right and that is very cool but you have to realize that the capitialist sites, the nazi sites, and really any conservative sites will just ban you on the spot. I mean go for it if you must but please use some logic first.

[bunk]

Were already on debate politics, as long as we debate properly then they will not ban

[anomaly]

Originally posted by The American [email protected] 3 2005, 08:06 PM
You don't have zero chance of converting a National Socialist (Nazi) to our way of thinking. If Nazis are submitted to long amounts of Marxist teaching/Anarchist teachings/ etc., then most of them today will convert.

Take it from a former Nazi who converted.
Well, I only abandoned the idea of invading the stormfront site when I learned that it was a monitored site.

JoshofHeavens, I'm wondering, are you pro-socialist? I'm very pro-anarchocommunist also, but I also believe in economic evolution, meaning that socialism comes first, chronologically. So as long as you are not opposed to state socialism, I'm fine with you spreading your message. But I doubt they'll listen. Capitalists are very material and extremely hostile to any theory or model that they can't see a practical example of in the world. In short, this means they are hostile to any model but capitalism. Before I began seriously debating, I created an economic system for which to argue. I then could refer to my already submitted ideas, to weed out the ignorant ones, who simply don't read socialist posts. Before you post anything anarchocommunist, devise a basic system that you feel would work. If you do this, I'b be interested in seeing the system as well, so do this: post your new thread in philosophy and religion, and call it simply 'anarcho-communism'. That way I can easily locate it and I and other comrades can aid you. It could be the first massive debate, with large numbers of debaters on both sides. Currently, I'm alone in my debate in economics, and I must say that when it comes to serious economic ebate, my system holds up quite well to their pathetic attacks, and I have out debated most of them.

Also, I send out a request for more active minds who wish to debate the capitalists.

[RedAnarchist]

They are starting to realise that we are all from one forum. What i suggest is not giving them the name of this forum. As long as we dont piss them off, we wont get a counter-'immigration'.

[slim]

Im not enjoying stormfront very much. I defeat them easily with logic and evidence and they come back with the same defeated argument. Also ive made dozens of posts and only nine have come through the administration.

I think im making a bit of an impact though.

On debate politics theyre a bunch of ignoramuses.

[bunk]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 11:21 AM
They are starting to realise that we are all from one forum. What i suggest is not giving them the name of this forum. As long as we dont piss them off, we wont get a counter-'immigration'.
If they come here then it's fine. We have perfected restricting capitalists.

[anomaly]

Its good that they realize this. This promotes our sense of unity, and makes them realize that we socialists are not random occurences, but a unified group.

[rikaguilera]

Well, sorry that I am late to this invasion. I did register at debatepolitics.com as "clubluck". I am willing to help out in any debate, with as much intell as I can muster. I hope to see others there, and I am sure that I will recognize you guys as the smarter responses on the threads.
Adios for now, I need sleep.
Rik

[anomaly]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2005, 06:43 AM
Well, sorry that I am late to this invasion. I did register at debatepolitics.com as "clubluck". I am willing to help out in any debate, with as much intell as I can muster. I hope to see others there, and I am sure that I will recognize you guys as the smarter responses on the threads.
Adios for now, I need sleep.
Rik
Rik, I myself could use some aid in the economics forum. Basically, I just want another friendly voice there. So far I've burdened almost the entire debate in the thread 'What economic system'. PetrSykora is there as well, although he hasn't posted as much as I have. I look forward to your presence.

[farleft]

Whats the website forim address?

[RedAnarchist]

www.debatepolitics.com

[farleft]

598 members, is there nothing bigger?

[bunk]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2005, 10:37 AM
598 members, is there nothing bigger?
It is pretty ideal for our project. There are good debates, mods and admins are tolerant, and there are moderates ready to be turned to the left (politically)

[farleft]

Originally posted by Josh of Heavens+Jun 6 2005, 10:58 AM--> (Josh of Heavens @ Jun 6 2005, 10:58 AM)
[email protected] 6 2005, 10:37 AM
598 members, is there nothing bigger?
It is pretty ideal for our project. There are good debates, mods and admins are tolerant, and there are moderates ready to be turned to the left (politically) [/b]
Fair enough comrade

[anomaly]

actually, farleft, if you want to take on an objective by yourself, you could attempt to infiltrate America's debate (americasdebate.com probably), which is much, much larger. But we really can't go larger yet. We haven't even sufficiently put down the cappies at debatepolitics. Start small, comrade.

[C_Rasmussen]

I am not sure if this site has forums seeing as its been awhile since I have visited but if you really want to try something, try The Christian Coalition.

[Raisa]

If we go in someones forum that doesnt like our ideas, to educate the masses, we got to be real nice and respectable people in there.

None of this belligerant shit, theyll just think we are a bunch of crazy hippies with computers, and we arent - we are straight forward educated individuals with ideas.

[farleft]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2005, 05:31 AM
I am not sure if this site has forums seeing as its been awhile since I have visited but if you really want to try something, try The Christian Coalition.
I hate religion, maybe we'll make athiests out of them.

[farleft]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2005, 05:47 AM
If we go in someones forum that doesnt like our ideas, to educate the masses, we got to be real nice and respectable people in there.

None of this belligerant shit, theyll just think we are a bunch of crazy hippies with computers, and we arent - we are straight forward educated individuals with ideas.
I agree, we need to give in depth and accurate answers, justifying our views with evidence.

[C_Rasmussen]

Originally posted by farleft+Jun 7 2005, 08:28 AM--> (farleft @ Jun 7 2005, 08:28 AM)
[email protected] 7 2005, 05:31 AM
I am not sure if this site has forums seeing as its been awhile since I have visited but if you really want to try something, try The Christian Coalition.
I hate religion, maybe we'll make athiests out of them. [/b]
You do realize that bringing down a MAJOR religious oganization would really help the left? I mean I highly doubt it would happen but hey there's no problem in trying :).

[Left-wingist]

I'm all for this. I think someone should organize a message board where we can contact each other. Sorry if someone brought this up already.

[anomaly]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2005, 05:47 AM
If we go in someones forum that doesnt like our ideas, to educate the masses, we got to be real nice and respectable people in there.

None of this belligerant shit, theyll just think we are a bunch of crazy hippies with computers, and we arent - we are straight forward educated individuals with ideas.
Exactly. We should stop this bit farleft has about turning people atheist. Atheism is not a requisite for socialism. If you wish to speak to the capitalists in such terms, farleft, I, for one, will not aid you in your religious debating.

[anomaly]

Comrades, I think we should identify ourselves on debate politics as a unified group. This way we could easily aid each other on the site, as well as be able to materially confirm any new liberal converts. Also we could show everyone that we socialists are committed to the cause, we are not just crazy selfish complainers. What do you think? If you guys are in, I'd say let's put something like Socialist Alliance as our signatures or something.

[bunk]

I think we should try and make them communists, they might say that democrats or european countries are socialist

[anomaly]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2005, 07:22 AM
I think we should try and make them communists, they might say that democrats or european countries are socialist
Nobody, not even capitalists, think that Dems or European countries are socialist. I am a socialist first. I fight for socialism now, I'll fight for communism once we have socialism. No, we should try and inform them of socialism, once socialism comes we can educate them on communism.

[farleft]

Originally posted by anomaly+Jun 8 2005, 07:27 AM--> (anomaly @ Jun 8 2005, 07:27 AM)
[email protected] 8 2005, 07:22 AM
I think we should try and make them communists, they might say that democrats or european countries are socialist
Nobody, not even capitalists, think that Dems or European countries are socialist. I am a socialist first. I fight for socialism now, I'll fight for communism once we have socialism. No, we should try and inform them of socialism, once socialism comes we can educate them on communism. [/b]
I'd say just teach them about Marxism. The transitional phase of socialism to the goal of communism, is it really important and do we ALL agree that this transitional phase is even required?

[bunk]

No i don't

[anomaly]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2005, 08:02 AM
No i don't
And so how do you intend to simply transform the world, because that's what you'd need to do. There can be no communist state, since communism involves the destruction of capital. This means that any ties or trading with other countries neccesarily ceases to exist, because your communist country has no money to offer. With no money to pay for trade, you'll be literally trapped inside of one nation, and no nation is self sufficient. You'd survive for a while, maybe, but your communist nation will not exist over the long term. That much is clear. Socialism, on the other hand, is compatible with capitalism and can still be active in trading with capitalist nations. This means that you'll need a world revolution, not just a state revolution, to establish communism. And frankly, such a revolution just isn't likely, especially with the power of 1st world capitalist countries. I suggest an evolutionary method, advancing from socialism to world socialism to communism. Once we have world socialism, real free trade can be established between all nations, and when this happens, capital worldwide becomes obsolete. But first we need socialism.

[farleft]

You can trade without money.

Cuba gives Venezuela doctors, Venezuela gives Cuba oil. No money involved.

At the end of the day money is just bits of paper and metal, it doesnt mean anything.

[bunk]

Someone should make a post laying out real communism as an ideology.

[farleft]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2005, 09:43 AM
Someone should make a post laying out real communism as an ideology.
Good idea. All aspects of communism need to be as clearly defined as possible.

[bunk]

We could save time and brainache by copy pasting some guides from this forum or do others want to write their own thing?

[anomaly]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2005, 08:32 AM
You can trade without money.

Cuba gives Venezuela doctors, Venezuela gives Cuba oil. No money involved.

At the end of the day money is just bits of paper and metal, it doesnt mean anything.
Yes, and the people in these nations are suffering from sanctions by the rich nations of the world. And do you really think that two nations on earth could be self-sufficient? No, its best to strive for world socialism before any attempt at communism. Even if we get enough countries soicalist to form a socialist trade bloc, we should not go communist, because that would not be beneficial in aiding other peoples of earth. A socialist nation would most easily survive with extensive trade, especially from Europe. A communist country would not be able to trade with Europe. And as long as we have a capitalist world, money sadly does mean something, therefore any nation we create must incorporate money. That means socialism, until we get a committed world rather than a committed nation.

[bunk]

Were ending up debating about socialism, it would be better if we started talking communist society

[Commie Rat]

possibly getting Redstar2000 or some one who knows the theory really well to get involed would be smart

[farleft]

Originally posted by anomaly+Jun 9 2005, 05:06 AM--> (anomaly @ Jun 9 2005, 05:06 AM)
[email protected] 8 2005, 08:32 AM
You can trade without money.

Cuba gives Venezuela doctors, Venezuela gives Cuba oil. No money involved.

At the end of the day money is just bits of paper and metal, it doesnt mean anything.
Yes, and the people in these nations are suffering from sanctions by the rich nations of the world. And do you really think that two nations on earth could be self-sufficient? No, its best to strive for world socialism before any attempt at communism. Even if we get enough countries soicalist to form a socialist trade bloc, we should not go communist, because that would not be beneficial in aiding other peoples of earth. A socialist nation would most easily survive with extensive trade, especially from Europe. A communist country would not be able to trade with Europe. And as long as we have a capitalist world, money sadly does mean something, therefore any nation we create must incorporate money. That means socialism, until we get a committed world rather than a committed nation. [/b]
Albania under Envar Hoxha became self sufficiant.

[elmo]

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THE ANORCHIST TENSTION AND INTIFIDA ARE ANNOYING THE SHIT OUT OF THE RA.....SO.....

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Originally posted by farleft+Jun 9 2005, 12:07 PM--> (farleft @ Jun 9 2005, 12:07 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2005, 05:06 AM

[email protected] 8 2005, 08:32 AM
You can trade without money.

Cuba gives Venezuela doctors, Venezuela gives Cuba oil. No money involved.

At the end of the day money is just bits of paper and metal, it doesnt mean anything.
Yes, and the people in these nations are suffering from sanctions by the rich nations of the world. And do you really think that two nations on earth could be self-sufficient? No, its best to strive for world socialism before any attempt at communism. Even if we get enough countries soicalist to form a socialist trade bloc, we should not go communist, because that would not be beneficial in aiding other peoples of earth. A socialist nation would most easily survive with extensive trade, especially from Europe. A communist country would not be able to trade with Europe. And as long as we have a capitalist world, money sadly does mean something, therefore any nation we create must incorporate money. That means socialism, until we get a committed world rather than a committed nation.
Albania under Envar Hoxha became self sufficiant. [/b]
Did he? And how well are the Albanians doing today?

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Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2005, 07:46 AM
Were ending up debating about socialism, it would be better if we started talking communist society
Why talk about communist society when we don't even have socialism yet? Let's save all this talk about communism for when we atleast have a single socialist state.