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Jersey Devil
27th May 2005, 19:30
There's been a lot of talk about this bill for some time now. It was expected to pass the House which it did and it will probably also pass the Senate, however Bush has said before that he would veto this bill and since it did not pass the House with 2/3's the vote Bush will have the ability to use his veto power (should it pass the Senate as well of course). If it does pass the Senate and Bush vetos it, it will be the first time in 5 years in office that he will have used his veto power. What's interesting is that just a few days ago before this was debated in the House, they had a medical breakthrough in South Korea with embryonic stem cell reasearch.

Another bill passed on the same day with overwhelming bi-partisan support as well as support from Bush, it will create a national registry for umbilical cord blood which will be used for research.

Please no spam, only serious posts. That means no children.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4576407.stm

US House backs stem cell funding

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Mr Bush met who were children adopted as frozen embryos

The US House of Representatives has voted to increase government funding for embryonic stem cell research.
The vote sets up a confrontation with President Bush, who has vowed to veto the bill if it passes the Senate.

The bill was passed by 238-194 votes - short of the two-thirds majority required to override Mr Bush's veto.

The vote followed an emotional debate between those who say the research is vital for medical progress, and those who say it destroys human life.

The bill would allow scientists to use stem cells from embryos created during in-vitro fertilisation programmes but never implanted in a womb.

Researchers believe stem cells - which can transform themselves into many other tissue types - hold the key to finding cures for many diseases, including Parkinson's and diabetes.

In 2001, Mr Bush declared that federal funding would be available only for research using existing stem cells - meaning that none have been harvested since.

The bill, sponsored by Republican Congressman Mike Castle and Democrat Diane De Gette, aims to overturn that ban.

During the debate, Republican Representative Charlie Bas spoke for the bill's supporters, urging Congress to consider the medical cures that might be discovered and the people that would benefit.

"For America to stand back because of a moral principle and not allow sound scientific research to proceed under the umbrella of the National Institute of Health, I think, is unconscionable," he said.

Broken ranks

Many Catholics and social conservatives in the US oppose the destruction of embryos.

Republican Majority Leader Tom DeLay said the bill would mean taxpayers funding "the dismemberment of living, distinct human beings".

But a number of conservative Republicans, who usually back the pro-life lobby, broke with the party mainstream to support the bill.

Correspondents say that by threatening to use the veto for the first time in his presidency, Mr Bush has made it clear he will make a stand.

Before the debate, Mr Bush appeared alongside a group of children who were at one time embryos frozen in fertility clinics, before being adopted and implanted into a womb.

"This bill would take us across a critical ethical line by creating new incentives for the ongoing destruction of emerging human life," the president said.

"Crossing this line would be a great mistake."

A second bill which calls for extra funding for stem cell research using umbilical cord blood, and which has presidential backing, was passed by 431 votes to 1.

Scientists say these cells could provide tailor-made treatment for a range of diseases and conditions.

But many experts believe both types of research are needed.

There is no law against private stem cell research, which is moving ahead in states like California.

Colombia
28th May 2005, 21:57
They are such hypocrites those who oppose this bill. They know the fact that these embryos are too often thrown in the trash anyway. Hoe they cannot consider this killing is beyond me. What is disturbing is how personal the republicans got in the debates. I was watching it on C-Span and many of them brought up their families as if it had something to do with the discussion.

Either way Bush will veto this bill as soon as he sees it. These are truly disappointing times.

Jersey Devil
29th May 2005, 12:36
What is interesting is that Republican moderates are opposing Bush's position on this. Delay was actually the leader behind the opposition to the federal funding bill in the house and it was really because of Republican moderates in the house that this thing even passed the house.

Republican moderates from both the House and Senate have been under attack by the conservative base recently and not only on this issue. In the Senate those 7 Republican moderates that made up the "Gang of 14" who stoped Senate Majority Leader Frist from using the "nuclear option" are now under attack by the conservative base (editors of conservative publications, conservative talk radio, etc...) as "traitors to the Republican Party". It seems ludicrous to me considering that the Republicans seem to have actually won in this issue considering that the three most controversial judicial nominees (Owens, Brown, Pryor) will get/have gotten up and down votes and over 95% of Bush's judicial nominees have been confirmed.