Communism

[mentalbunny]

I've got an open mind, I'll listen to anything (as long as the words aren't too long, and opinions are backed up properly, oh and I prefer nice bite-sized chunks, but hey, I'm a lazy tennager!).

So I want to know more aobut this communism thing, maybe I should put this in Q&A but I reckon I'll get more of a response ehre, so don't prove me wrong!

I want to know your obinions, ideas, and (dare I say it) beliefs. Why should we all be communist? What's wrong with other kinds of socialism?

[Blasphemy]

you are very wrong, my friend. a large portion of the people here, if i am not mistaken, are not communist. i know i'm not. people here believe in different kinds of socialism, not only communism (regardless of the fact that the term communism changed so much throughout history). so i don't think you'll get many answers to your question.

[komsomol]

Communism gets rid of inheritance, lessening inequality.
Communism gets rid of private property, which in turn gets rid of class systems.
Communism gets rid of surplus value, creating a more efficient economy.
Communism gets rid of the Oligarchy of the bourgeoisie.
Communism creates true equal opportunities, the abolishion of inheritance and the classless system caters for youngsters equally.
Communism creates public services.

[soilride]

mentalbunny,

Communism is more than just mere reflection on what we think communism is. Especially if these ideas are abstract and only remain in our heads. it is more than just a set of 'beliefs' to uphold.

Communism deals with the question: Who has power and who needs power so that society and nature can progress, grow and learn?

The answer to these questions is *not* to just go with something because it sounds good-or that 'communism" just says alot of things about capitalism being evil, or the proletariat will overthrow the bourgeousie, etc etc.

The answer to these questions actually come from nature and society itself. When people are conscious of the world around them and confronted with problems, they have the most unique tool in how to handle those problems. It is called a brain and the brain serves the function of finding things out and solving problems.

No one can say "Communism is the way! Because of [MOLOCHS RESPONSE(for lack of a better example)]" and then expect people to just 'buy" that.

For every individual, it takes an act of finding out.

If one looks at history, and especially at the history of the communist movement-whether it be in Vietnam or Colombia, or the Soviet Union-communism has never existed without the people wanting it to exist for the interest of all.

It is when the people have decided with free conscience that communism is the way that society must go [because the present condition no longer serves the interest of all] and because the world and reality demands it from us.

Comradely yours,
soilride

[Terminal Frost]

If you value your friends more than your possesions.

If you feel that there is more to life than "stuff".

If you feel that every man was created equal and should have equal opportunity, whatever his gender, race, appearance or sexuality.

If you believe in freedom from the slavery of the rat-race.


Then you are already 1/2 way there.

Go to the "archive" section of Chelives, and read the words of Che himself. He tells it 1000 times better than anyone on this board.

[Guardia Bolivariano]

Comunism is made for people that wantr equal rigths and no poverty.Comunism is for the people that work for the good of the people and the country.And besides in comunism you can't blame the rich bastard for your problems!

[ComradeJunichi]

Good for the people, I don't know if its too much for the country - isn't communism a international movement?

[Conghaileach]

The state will be dissolved in communism, and it is internationalist, but it's likely that the ideas of countries will remain - as each country has its own culture, language, et al and our diversity is a strength.

[Ian]

I want to know your obinions, ideas, and (dare I say it) beliefs. Why should we all be communist? What's wrong with other kinds of socialism?
We should not all be communist, sure we need enough to revolt and establish a government of the proletariat, but why impose views on people? That sounds to me like the bourgeiosie imposing thier 'false conscieness' onto the proletariat, Engels writes that the working class is kept from forming a true picture of its real situation. It mistakenly accepts the ideas of the ruling class as its own their[/u], or should I say OUR, objectives]. The working class suffers, in short, from what Engels called a [i]'False Consciousness. And as long as it does it will be a class "in itself" but not yet "for itself" that is, a class as yet unaware of its own interests and revolutionary political possibilities.

There is nothing 'wrong' with having other types of socialism, there is, however, something wrong with having absolute sectarianism where one group won't work with any other, Stalinists may be pedantic and squabble about whether to ally with a more liberal socialist group, Ultra-leftists may squabble over whether to ally with any revisionist because to them socialism is an orthodox religion (but basically, they are too busy sipping lattés and reading ikea magazines to squabble). I believe all kinds of socialists should set aside their differences (within reason, we don't want any trotskyites to end up with ice-picks in their skull) and work together towards a common goal, as I'm sure most realistic communists/socialists do.

[Iepilei]

differing opinions for differing situations. It's pretty much all for a common goal in the end.

[samaniego]

If your lazy and admit it communism wants nothing to do with you. Or at least Che, would have felt that way about you.

[Ian]

Whatever Samaniego.
Lay off the new-guy, his laziness could have been caused by working the previous 8 hours in a McJob where he gets shitty pay, so back off!

[komsomol]

Hey Darth Maul guy, please respect the forum rules. You might disrupt this topic, you can post in Soc vs Cap all you want.

[liderDeFARC]

Tsk tsk tsk. why are we getting so feisty now? chill, damn. So Samaniego cant give his opinion? and what is this about
"Hey Darth Maul guy, please respect the forum rules. You might disrupt this topic, you can post in Soc vs Cap all you want." disrupt?? See are you assuming he is a cappie? if you are, i am very sure he is not.
well anyways what happened to all the other members with those great explanations for communism? the ones that said so many words of truth that made me join? the quality really has gotten worse.....

[mentalbunny]

Quote: from samaniego on 5:43 am on Sep. 20, 2002
If your lazy and admit it communism wants nothing to do with you. Or at least Che, would have felt that way about you.


sorry,ok, but my brain is not the size of a watermelon, my apologies. I'm female by the way, and when I say lazy it's not connected with physical laziness, it's to do with wading through huge chunks of long complicated words I don't understand, so give me a break.

I have to say i'm not really convinced by what people are saying, it just sounds like most kinds of socialism, but if you look at communism (or what the rest of the world calls communism) in pratice it's kinda different.

I've given up history (probably a mistake) so I'm pretty ignorant about all these things like the USSR and China, although that's still going.


To defend myself aobut the "lazy" comment, I'm willing to do whatever necessary to spread truth. I'm about to sort out making some t-shirts, I've got some ideas, burnng dollar signs, dollar signs with horns and "the revolution starts here" on the back, probably with the che-lives addy on them as free advertising! Also as part of our "education" we have "activities" on thursday afternnoons, i'm doing social services and for me that means working in a charity shop, doing all the yucky jobs. other people are working with kids (that's what all the good little rich girls do, they don't like anything else) and more genuine people help at the blind centre or tlak to lonely old people, so don't say I'm lazy when i'm helping the communitya s much as i can.

hope the typing isn't too bad.