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jsm21588
22nd May 2005, 05:16
All this talk about revolution, and there has been no action. People claim their political affiliation and state how strongly they feel and how they will do anything for what they want, and still nothing; but I do have to admit that there are people here who have and will continue to do their part in striving for a classless and opression free society.

The society that our fathers fought and died for, for years is a possibility. I have read and read and read countless ideas about how we can go about a revolution, and they are great ideas, but think about how, and i use this word in its weakest form, "unrealistic" at the moment they are. Getting oil-workers to be militant, i do not think that is a promising way of getting what we want just yet. However i do agree that oil is a valuable "piece" to the structure of capitalism, but that is only one piece in the fortress of smaller "pieces" that form the capitalist pig society that we live in today.

I know people say that revolution without violence is only reform, but that is what is necessary first, we can't just take up arms and take out places randomly. Remember anarchy does not mean no order! There has to be order as to what is going on, but not an order that is controlled by one single person and his cabinet of incompetent fascists, rather the type of order where majority rules. The ability for you as a human being to actually have the chance to have a say in what happens without corruption.

Why not think about the smallest things that can be done to start us down the path to success?

Start with boycotting, think about what is a huge capitalist business...CIGARETTE COMPANIES!!! Communism and socialism are all about smashing big business, and cigarette companies are one of the worlds biggest businesses. So stomp out those butts and buy a bandana and black clothes, and start Black Blocking. Make use of your money, don't feed money into the machine with people who pul the strings behind the scenes, remember your fighting to destroy their bloated sense of supremacy, not aid it financially.

Instead of trying to provide huge oil companies workers with weapons, why not boycott the oil so that the sales won't do as well and then the possiblity of people with Left-Wing beliefs can take over the business and use the oil to provide heat for shelters that can be used for revolutionaries that are fighting to spread our great societies beliefs.

The point that i am trying to get at, is that you have to picture capitalism like a giant brick building. Each brick represents a capitalist building, with people as the mortar that is holding the bricks together. We as people keep the building up and strong, but once you take away the mortar to hold the bricks together just take one swing with a Hammer (that was an allusion i guess you could say to the Hammer and Sickel) at the bottom and watch the building fall layer by layer right before your eyes.

The stage is set, the time for revolution is now...We are all Comrades,let us take a step away from capitalism, but this step will not be backwards, this is the only sign for a better day, let us take the first step in unison and SMASH CAPITALISM!!

redstar2000
22nd May 2005, 05:32
Originally posted by jsm21588
Start with boycotting, think about what is a huge capitalist business...CIGARETTE COMPANIES!!!

Um...no. :lol:

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DoomedOne
25th May 2005, 08:24
Things are happening. You realize the people on these forums have not only very diverse opinions ranging on how a revolution should be brought about, what should be changed, etcetera. This is not the forum to create a mass organizations. Even if somehow everyone on this forum got to the point where they agreed on how to go about it, and some how managed to organize together, we're talking an insignificant union.

slim
25th May 2005, 15:02
I like the thought that you have put into your solution but it fails to look further. If we are going to defeat capitalism we must not damage ourselves in the process. I agree with the cigarettes but the oil is something that we cannot afford to boycott. I dont want to see a reply about me being a capitalist pig for being practical.

Boycotting oil will not damage capitalism, it will just mean that the big businesses will have more fuel, only the civilian suppliers will be damaged and they are in essence; the working class.

Boycotting is a dangerous game and if you are not careful it could defeat your movement and it needs international support. We are in a bigger world of multi national corporations.

Do chara de geo.

Rasta Sapian
26th May 2005, 19:11
get some buddies, gather around, watch the flip called fight club, have a shot of whiskey, and giver dude, get down with your anarchist self.

that is what the russians were doing before there revolution

p.s. where something black

Black Dagger
26th May 2005, 19:29
get some buddies, gather around, watch the flip called fight club, have a shot of whiskey, and giver dude, get down with your anarchist self.

Sarcastic right? There's nothing 'anarchistic' about the group presented in 'Fight Club'.

YKTMX
26th May 2005, 20:02
I think someone's had too much caffeine this morning.

Colombia
26th May 2005, 20:46
There are not enough workers here in the US who see the flaws of capitalism and beleive communism to be the answer. The way they see it, is to try and reason with the ruling power to improve their working conditions somewhat.

Until the majority realize how to better improve their lives, revolution is simply no the solution.

Clarksist
26th May 2005, 21:59
Colombia brings up a good point.

The "revolution" would hold no legitimacy if first there wasn't major outcry. If we revolt too soon, then we will never be able to successfully takedown capitalism. And whats more important: we see a failed revolution now, or we see a successful one much later?

socialistfuture
26th May 2005, 23:42
basically it comes down to a few main factors; timing, numbers (both support and the 'doers'), and plan of attack.
whats the point in attempting a revolution if u dont know what to do after u have taken power? or even if taking power will achieve the desired result.
of course big things need to be done NOW and many are. while it may not seems like a socialist/anarchist revolution is underway there definatly is a lot of resistance and actions going on against global capitalism.

if u want a good read on what one man who has been at the game for quite some time thinks go to:
http://globetrotter.berkeley.edu/Elberg/Ali/ali-con0.html
particualy section VI (conclusions)

If you strike at a time when people are not ready for mass change you will have bloodshed without results, yes prehaps matyrs (eg the easter rising) but no overall improvement.

besides the big changes there must be literature and cultural changes, as in getting movies, books, music and so on that questions what is going on and gives ideas for improvement and expression.

and then we got the enviroment, who controls resources controls the people. so eager one don't grow impatient, make the change u want. together we'll get there.

Jazzy
2nd June 2005, 15:34
As Doomed One already pointed out, this forum is an exact example of why we are not ready for a revolution, all the people have different ideas and goals for the revolution....if they all decided now was the time to get things really moving, it would wind up in total chaos and the revolutionaries would more than likely wind up as the losing end. In order for the Revolution to really succeed the people are going to have to be united, with the same ideas and goals in mind, they will have to have some order within in their methods or as I have already said the revolutionaries will wind up at the losing end and the capitalistic establishment will remain in tact. The people need to unite as one in order for the revolution to become a reality. Here in the USA, I know that we are far from being ready as a people, the fact that they re-elected Bush is a prime example of that....the American people(a great majority of them but not all) really rather stick their heads in the sand while the capitalistic pigs run them down.


Power To The People(ALL PEOPLE)

slim
2nd June 2005, 15:55
The ironic thing is that the Easter rising succeeded.

It turned the people who had no real interest in politics into a nation of harborours of revolutionaries. Through the deaths of Connelly (a communist) and Pearse among the others, they became heroes of Irish republicanism and spawned the second wave of freedom fighters (Collins and the IRA).

Organic Revolution
8th June 2005, 19:44
to the author of the first peice:

communism isnt about the abolition of big buissness it is about the state control of them... profeterring for the party and no one else.

Nothing Human Is Alien
9th June 2005, 02:54
Originally posted by rise [email protected] 8 2005, 06:44 PM
to the author of the first peice:

communism isnt about the abolition of big buissness it is about the state control of them... profeterring for the party and no one else.
Exactly!







.. other than the fact that's completely wrong

LuZhiming
9th June 2005, 05:19
I'll be sure to buy myself a gun so I can protect myself from the "revolutionaries...."

anomaly
9th June 2005, 06:39
Originally posted by rise [email protected] 8 2005, 06:44 PM
to the author of the first peice:

communism isnt about the abolition of big buissness it is about the state control of them... profeterring for the party and no one else.
You grasp the concepts of communism about as well as you grasp the concepts of grammar.

Paradox
9th June 2005, 07:14
to the author of the first peice:

communism isnt about the abolition of big buissness it is about the state control of them... profeterring for the party and no one else.

WTF? With this little bit of garbage, how the hell did you get in the Commie Club?

Anyway, I'll pass on a lengthy post as to why a revolution now is not going to happen because the reasons have already been put forth by other members. Not enough people want it. The vast majority have to want Communism. And even those who do want it, can't agree on how to make it happen. Has to be unity and mass support.

Organic Revolution
14th June 2005, 21:36
i dont know how i got in the commie club.... it was like an alien abduction