Matter of opinion

[ComradeChris]

I know many on this forum have taken the politicalcompass quiz, and am just curious as to how people here answered the question (paraphrased), "Do you feel the enemy of an enemy is an ally?"

In this website, I know many people are anti-authoritarian, yet many Stalinists roam this site. Or the war in Iraq, would you rather see the defeat of US or extremists? Just issues like that make me wonder how other people feel on this issue.

[workersunity]

ya that was a hard question it could go either way, i think i clicked disagree

[burn_ladiesagainstfeminism]

I clicked disagree, It was a hard one, but when you really think about it it makes sense not to agree....I can't really explain, its all a matter of opnion

[OleMarxco]

The enemy of my enemy COULD be my ally, but that only then TEMPORARY, until I've seen if they can prove themselves to be more than "On-my-side-because-of-the-situation". I have my reason for this; I don't trust "allies" because just because we have the same enemies, it might be for different reason, and perhaps even different IDEOLOGIES. For example? A fascist would likewise as I, a commie (NOT a Schtalinist, there's not that many Totalarians here, are there, no?) would fight a Capitalist, but after the fight - unlikely we would stay friends - Situationary allies are neutral of you generally since "you just happen to be on their side", such as the strikes in Germany in the early 30's - SPD's and Brown-skirt Nazies fighting alongside (!) against the police for the worker's rights. Then they went back to fighting each-other again ;)

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

I disagreed. Especially for us anarchists this should be a clear one. Betrayal in Spain, Ukrain, we should have learned our lesson by now.

[Dre_Guevara]

Where can I find the politicalcompass quiz?

[Rage]

ComradeChris: What is your icon of? The KKK Flag thingy?


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Rock on!

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 01:43 AM
Where can I find the politicalcompass quiz?
http://www.politicalcompass.org/

[Hiero]

Why did you mention about "Stalinist"?

I choose dissagree.

[STI]

The problem with the statement "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" is that it can't be applied universally either way.

For example, we should certainly support the Iraqi resistence, the best thing going right now in terms of direct opposition to US imperialism.

We shouldn't support the Aryan Nation, who oppose the US government (for reasons entirely different than our own).

So, then, it's a ridiculous statement that should be tossed out.

[ComradeChris]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2005, 09:12 PM
ComradeChris: What is your icon of? The KKK Flag thingy?


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Rock on!
Umm...no the Khmer Rouge flag. Do some research!

I think OleMarxo stated how I believe on this question. But everyone's imput seems to be relatively similar. As STI said it isn't a universally applicable situation either.

[Hiero]

You support the Khmer Rouge?

Do you support the Pol Pot faction.

[ComradeChris]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 01:39 AM
You support the Khmer Rouge?

Do you support the Pol Pot faction.
I supported what they tried to do (their ideal outcome). Just like you defend Stalin on what he could have done. ;)

[bolshevik butcher]

Strongly disagree, this is a very oppertunist policy, what if the neemy of your enemy is soemeone like hitler?

[OleMarxco]

Originally posted by Non-Sectarian Bastard!@May 23 2005, 11:17 PM
I disagreed. Especially for us Anarchists this should be a clear one. Betrayal in Spain, Ukrain, we should have learned our lesson by now.

Oh, really? If so, Educate me. When did this happen, and who were your "allies"? Not our Communists I hope, because then it would've also meant we were the ones who turned our backs on you! Crackpretzel! I'm sure I'd never do that, but that's only because we're on the same side of the political crane :)

[Rage]

Umm...no the Khmer Rouge flag. Do some research!

I new I had seen that flag Somewhere. It looks like the KKK flag. Sorry.

I have done research on the Khmer Rouges but that was a long time ago.

My Apoligies.

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Rock on!

[ComradeChris]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 04:57 PM

Umm...no the Khmer Rouge flag. Do some research!

I new I had seen that flag Somewhere. It looks like the KKK flag. Sorry.

I have done research on the Khmer Rouges but that was a long time ago.

My Apoligies.

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Rock on!
No sweat. Sorry for the outburst. I just don't like the idea that people would even think I supported any form of racial oppression or fascism.


Strongly disagree, this is a very oppertunist policy, what if the neemy of your enemy is soemeone like hitler?

Very true. And we can see where Stalin's alliance to divide Poland got him. So obviously Stalin would probably have strongly agreed with that statement.

[ComradeChris]

Here's another one I'm interested in. How many people believe in the death penalty (or an eye for an eye) type philosophy?

[OleMarxco]

As far as that, I believe more in a kick-ass revenge quest a.l.a. Kill Bill than a fuckin' death penalty - which is MORE tooth for an tooth, in fact. Death penalties are just for sissies, and takes longer time. Plus, the victim isn't even allowed to feel the satisfying feeling of...getting square! Death penalty is killing one person for killing another, but what if they kill more than one people? Seriously, after the revolution, the new "death penalty" should be the victim, and a samurai sword. When the guilthy is not looking, the victim shall strike and slice the guilthy's head off the neck! PIAW! Of course there will be a trial, but no tears and a long death-row wait here, no! That's just inhuman :P

[ComradeChris]

I agree, the prison waits are a rediculous waste of time. But should we really let one person take their own revenge? What if in revenge they go to far?

But I think if there's conclusive evidence (DNA, multiple creditable witnesses, videotape, etc.) their shouldn't be a wait at all. But if the evidence provides doubt either way, the wait would be beneficial to acquit or condemn the suspect.

[Jazzy]

I put disagree, that's a pretty hard question and would require quite a bit of thinking.

[apathy maybe]

Do you really wish to ally yourself with fascists? After all you both hate capitalism.

The way I see it is that you should only work together on things you both agree with, and when you stop agreeing, you stop working together.

But you must make sure you don't leave yourself too open to attack. For once you have done what you set out to do you must attack them.

An example is the People's Army attacking the Nationalists (and vise versa) after the defeat of Japan (and before) (in China).

[Clarksist]

That is a very odd test, because I take it once in a while and I don't remember making any change in answers, but the score will fluctuate.

Anyways, about the question. No, an enemy of America is Osama Bin Laden, but he is in NO way my friend, in fact he is my enemy. But America is as well.

[codyvo]

I put strongly disagree. It could lead to some mexican stand offs but the enemy of my enemy is sometimes a friend, but very often Hitler, or if Hitler is the enemy I speak of, then Churchill and Roosevelt aren't my friends either. Also, Stalin, you could plug in their have a douzen more situations, so I think as a principle, an enemy of an enemy is not a friend.

[Sir Aunty Christ]

The Death Penalty? Hell no. Why should the state be able to get away with murder?

The question is the enemy of my enemy my friend? Depends on the situation and who's the greater threat. If you look at it from the American and British perspective during the war, they believed that the USSR was going to spread communism and eventually get round to them but Hitler had actually said that he wanted war with Britain and America.