hey how you doing

[untamed1]

Hi, am a canuck who thinks that communism is the only answer for the future. I am talking true communism. I do get very upset with "every injustice." Can't help it just the way I am wired.

[Dre_Guevara]

We are far from establishing true communism..We have a long way ahead of us.

[bunk]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2005, 06:11 PM
We are far from establishing true communism..We have a long way ahead of us.
this is negative talk. Create a situation.

[Dre_Guevara]

It's not negative talk, it's simply being realistic. If you want to talk about it, make a thread about it.

[bunk]

Your name is guevara, then surely you must believe in creating a situation. He started the Cuban revolution by going over there and starting something. Als, can i ask how do you know how long it will take for communism to be achieved in any place?

[Dre_Guevara]

Originally posted by Josh of [email protected] 21 2005, 06:29 PM
Your name is guevara, then surely you must believe in creating a situation. He started the Cuban revolution by going over there and starting something. Als, can i ask how do you know how long it will take for communism to be achieved in any place?
True Communism was never established in any nation ever. The Cuban Revolution was a Socialist Revolution. Socialism is the path to Communism. Cuba never became Communist, the leaders and the party were communist but the country as a whole was not based on true Communist ideas in its entirety. Che Guevara knew this, any revolutionary Marxist leader knew/knows this, that it would take a while to have a truely communistic model. And it would take a long time possibly several generations to form true communism because of the fact that religion and differences amongst culture and customs are practically inevitable. True and serious Marxists would agree with me on this. Only those who are dogmatic, unrealistic, and biased would think otherwise.

[OleMarxco]

Hail yeah! Seriously, we need more people like this "Dre Guevara" dude here. No-nonsense, no-bullshit. I like your style, friend :redstar2000:

Welcome Comrade Untamed, 'tho! ;)

[bunk]

Originally posted by Dre_Guevara+May 21 2005, 08:03 PM--> (Dre_Guevara @ May 21 2005, 08:03 PM)
Josh of [email protected] 21 2005, 06:29 PM
Your name is guevara, then surely you must believe in creating a situation. He started the Cuban revolution by going over there and starting something. Als, can i ask how do you know how long it will take for communism to be achieved in any place?
True Communism was never established in any nation ever. The Cuban Revolution was a Socialist Revolution. Socialism is the path to Communism. Cuba never became Communist, the leaders and the party were communist but the country as a whole was not based on true Communist ideas in its entirety. Che Guevara knew this, any revolutionary Marxist leader knew/knows this, that it would take a while to have a truely communistic model. And it would take a long time possibly several generations to form true communism because of the fact that religion and differences amongst culture and customs are practically inevitable. True and serious Marxists would agree with me on this. Only those who are dogmatic, unrealistic, and biased would think otherwise. [/b]
did i say cuba was communist? No

[Dre_Guevara]

did i say cuba was communist? No

No, but from the looks of it, you have no idea what True Communism is really all about (not to insult/judge you or anything) because of the fact that you said I am talking negatively about Communism, which is obviously unreasonable for you to say. If you think I'm wrong for claiming we are far from establishing a bona fide Communistic principle, then enlighten me with your theory, comrade.

[Dre_Guevara]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2005, 08:24 PM
Hail yeah! Seriously, we need more people like this "Dre Guevara" dude here. No-nonsense, no-bullshit. I like your style, friend :redstar2000:

Thanks, Comrade OleMarxo. :che:

[bunk]

We weren't discussing communism, i thought you're revolutionary attitude is negative.

[OleMarxco]

I would disagree with you there. I think his revolutionary attitude his REALISTIC, but I don't doubt his revolutionary SPIRIT is positive :D

And don't double-post! *waves hands in a vanguard-like way!*

[Dre_Guevara]

Originally posted by Josh of [email protected] 21 2005, 09:55 PM
We weren't discussing communism, i thought you're revolutionary attitude is negative.
What's negative is saying that Communism will not or probably will not work, not now, not later, not ever. That's negative talk about Communism and holding a negative Revolutionary attitude. I am only being reflective and realistic about Revolution and Communism as a whole. That is not having a negative Revolutionary attitude. Revolutionaries are serious-minded, self-conscious, and realistic individuals. They know that Communism is far from being established, but of course, this thought should not be revealed to the masses. I guess I am guilty of revealing this outlook on this board for it may spread negative attitude about me, which is indeed a shame. Well, I don't want to have this drag on any further. Make a thread and enlighten me if you think I'm holding a negative outlook on Communism.


but I don't doubt his revolutionary SPIRIT is positive

Oh, on the contrary, my revolutionary spirit is more positive than you can imagine. I am only trying to enlighten you with genuine outlook. Outlook that can quickly change your mindset to become a more determined and enlightened individual. ;)

[rikaguilera]

I would have to say that both Josh and Guevara are correct on some points. No, true communism has never been achieved, and would be a form of "Utopia" once (if ever) reached. I think the point that Josh was trying to make, (I can't speak for you, but can only voice my view on your comments) is that it seemed to be a defeatest attitude in the response. I don't see it that way, I see the response as one of guidance as to what has never existed. Why I say Josh is correct is in the attitude he has towards reaching communism. If nobody ever really steps up, then it will not just take a long time, but it will take forever. It does take an uprise in the people, but it takes somebody, or a group of people, to say "enough" and organize in a way that a revolt could happen. Nobody can say how long it would take, but yes, this kind of change would take a very long time as it would be fought by propaganda, and lies from the opposition. The spirit may be high, but the action is the only thing that will really matter..

[KrazyRabidSheep]

Excuse me for going off topic for a moment to welcome the new member to the board. :D

I just hope you haven't scared him away. . .that's my job.
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[Dre_Guevara]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2005, 03:17 AM
Excuse me for going off topic for a moment to welcome the new member to the board. :D

I just hope you haven't scared him away. . .that's my job.
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Hahaha, yes, I'm sorry. Welcome to the board, Comrade untamed1

[workersunity]

hey comrade, welcome post much and prosper

[bolshevik butcher]

Originally posted by Josh of [email protected] 21 2005, 09:55 PM
We weren't discussing communism, i thought you're revolutionary attitude is negative.
No, it's realistic, i hate these small groups of people claiming to be the mass party of the working class. Poor guy having his intro thread decnd into and argument, well hi, josh of heavens.

[KrazyRabidSheep]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2005, 05:10 PM
hey comrade, welcome post much and prosper
I need to come up with my own mass-produced, all-use welcome, too. . .

[bunk]

Originally posted by Clenched [email protected] 23 2005, 07:56 PM
No, it's realistic, i hate these small groups of people claiming to be the mass party of the working class. Poor guy having his intro thread decnd into and argument, well hi, josh of heavens.
The working class isn't all going to rise up at the exact same time, they need a group to instigate it.

[OleMarxco]

OH YEAH!? Like WHAT group, a fuckin' vanguard or some kind of bullshit like fascistic-like group with leaders? TO HELL WITH THAT, stop doubting the Proleteriat's ability to stand up for themselves and SHOOT A GODDAMN RIFLE! The world is -theirs- for the taken, and revolution is -NOW-. Or atleast should be :)

[bunk]

wha tthe fuck. I don't want a vanguard you stranger. I'm just saying a group of the working class will rise up before the rest. You think everyone will have the confidence if some of them don't start setting an example.

[bolshevik butcher]

Certain;ley we need oragnization, but they should be honest rather than saying that a group of 12 poeple in a coffe shop is the revolutionary vanguard of the working class, it's a start not the complete vnaguard.