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coda
18th May 2005, 19:51
This reminds me of what the IRA said to Thatcher: "We only need to be lucky once, you need to be lucky every time."



FBI: Grenade at Bush Rally Was Live

By MISHA DZHINDZHIKHASHVILI
TBILISI, Georgia (AP) - A grenade hurled in a crowd during last week's speech by President Bush in the Georgian capital was live and considered a threat against the president, though it failed to explode because of a malfunction, the FBI said Wednesday.

In Washington, the White House spokesman said Secret Service agents in Georgia were examining whether security changes were needed, noting that some people at Freedom Square were seen getting around metal detectors at Bush's May 10 speech.

Initially Georgian officials said the Soviet-era grenade was found on the ground, was inactive and posed no danger to Bush.

But FBI agent Bryan Paarmann said Wednesday that the grenade, wrapped in a dark handkerchief, fell about 100 feet from the podium where Bush was speaking and ``simply failed to function.''

He identified it as a live hand grenade, whereas initial Georgian statements said it appeared to have been an ``engineering grenade,'' a device that is not designed to spread shrapnel.

``We consider this act to be a threat against the health and welfare of the president of the United States as well as the welfare of the multitudes of Georgian people who turned up for this event,'' Paarmann said.

Bush spoke to tens of thousands of people in Freedom Square, a main plaza in Tbilisi, as part of a visit aimed at cementing relations between the United States and the ex-Soviet republic's new pro-Western leadership. He offered strong support for Georgia's democratic developments, and the crowd response was overwhelmingly favorable.

President Mikhail Saakashvili also was on the podium when Bush spoke, raising the prospect that the grenade could have been directed at him. Saakashvili, who came to power after the 2003 Rose Revolution that ousted Eduard Shevardnadze, has provoked enmity with anti-corruption initiatives and insistence on restoring control over two de-facto independent separatist regions.

Bush spoke from behind bulletproof glass and U.S. officials said last week that he had not been in danger.

In fact, the president was not aware of the grenade incident until Secret Service agents on the plane told him about it as he returned to Andrews Air Force Base outside Washington, White House spokesman Scott McClellan said at the time.

No arrests have been made in the case, and police have appealed to the public for videotapes that may contain footage of the incident.

``Work is going on in a lot of directions; that's all that can be said,'' said Inter Ministry spokesman Guram Donadze.

McClellan said Wednesday the president was updated on the new information Tuesday night and given an additional report when the FBI director attended the president's usual security briefing.

``The FBI is working very closely with Georgian authorities to make sure that this is fully investigated,'' he said. ``We want to see the results of that investigation once it is completed.''

McClellan would not comment on the president's personal reaction to the news and would not say whether it would effect future presidential events.

``The Secret Service is looking into all those issues,'' he said. ``The Secret Service has the full trust of the president. They go to great lengths to provide for his security.''

Weapons apparently are widespread among the Georgian populace, partly because of the disorder that has plagued the ex-Soviet republic during the past decade, including two wars with separatist regions.

The separatist conflicts remain unresolved and two regions - Abkhazia and South Ossetia - bristle at Saakashvili's repeated statement of intent to restore Georgian control of the regions.

Russia has close ties with both regions' internationally unrecognized governments. In his Tbilisi speech, Bush said all nations must respect Georgia's territorial integrity, a clear message to Russia to not exacerbate separatist tensions.


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Socialistpenguin
18th May 2005, 19:56
Hmm...pity <_< What the hell keeps him and his cronies alive? (I&#39;m referring to the Condi incident earlier in the year)

Konqwest
18th May 2005, 20:15
Its funny that the FBI and Georgian officials said to different things aboutt the hand grenade...

viva le revolution
18th May 2005, 20:15
Damn old grenade&#33; However it makes me think that if Bush is assasinated then the media will make create incredible hype about his presidency just like that of John f. kennedy.

cormacobear
18th May 2005, 20:27
They&#39;ll do that anyway look how many people Reagan killed and they treated him like a benvolent master statesman when he died. It&#39;s nice to know at least some people are trying, after all with all the firearms and explosives in the states it&#39;s probably just a matter of time.

bolshevik butcher
18th May 2005, 20:39
Pitty he missed him, he was 100yards off.

Tupac-Amaru
18th May 2005, 21:07
Are you guys sure you want Bush dead?

I mean no doubt he&#39;s a mothafuka, BUT if he dies...guess who takes over?....yes...Cheiny.

That&#39;s even worse&#33;

Socialistpenguin
18th May 2005, 21:13
Originally posted by Tupac&#045;[email protected] 18 2005, 08:07 PM
Are you guys sure you want Bush dead?

I mean no doubt he&#39;s a mothafuka, BUT if he dies...guess who takes over?....yes...Cheiny.

That&#39;s even worse&#33;
Hmmm...you have a point there Comrade. Heaven knows we don&#39;t want MORE company influence in the white house

Intifada
18th May 2005, 22:39
But it would bring a lot of joy.

Matthew The Great
18th May 2005, 22:47
It would also jam up the news for about a month or so.

Nothing but Bush coverage and Cheney taking over coverage. Another reason to not cover anything of real importance. (Not that Michael Jackson, police chases, and random celebrity trials aren&#39;t interesting :rolleyes: )

DISTURBEDrbl911
19th May 2005, 01:24
my few leftist friends and i all sighed in anger when we heard the news....i do agree with that fact that cheney would also be bad with bush dead, however there are many different thoughts coming to mind. Yes Bush is Bad, Cheney may be Worse, and if Cheney goes, then it is utter death to anyone who says anything against the U.S. personally i think it would be best if bush, cheney, and the whole cabinet went, but thats just me, I must admit i wish the one who threw the granade had a better arm.

ÑóẊîöʼn
19th May 2005, 06:52
This is a useful lesson - don&#39;t use old outdated equipment.

Purple
19th May 2005, 12:07
well, if bush died, that would pretty much be it for fox news....

Colombia
19th May 2005, 15:52
US declares war on Georgia.

I&#39;m sure thats what we all want to see.

El_Revolucionario
19th May 2005, 16:21
Originally posted by Tupac&#045;[email protected] 18 2005, 08:07 PM
Are you guys sure you want Bush dead?

I mean no doubt he&#39;s a mothafuka, BUT if he dies...guess who takes over?....yes...Cheiny.

That&#39;s even worse&#33;
If Cheney takes over it will only be temporary, there MUST be an election. And Cheney will NEVER win an election for President.

OleMarxco
19th May 2005, 16:41
Why not? Because he&#39;s an impotent corporate neo-con motherfucker, of course. But he has money and "powerful groups" to win, so who cares, right? There&#39;s nothin&#39; ta do to stop &#39;rese idiots, after-all&#33; SO JUST SHOOT &#39;EM UP&#33;

ARGH&#33;&#33; :angry: Why didn&#39;t it detonate? Fuck it, I must hire better grenadieers - with a decent throwin&#39; arm, next time, &#39;tho&#33; :D

existential1
19th May 2005, 17:59
Though it would suck with Cheney as president, he would never be able to put a "charming" face on his wickedness the way Bush so eloquently seems to do. George Bush is a wolf in sheep&#39;s clothing, but Cheney is just a vicious son of a ***** in wolf&#39;s clothing.

rikaguilera
19th May 2005, 20:11
It amazes me that this has not happened sooner. With all the layoffs here in the U.S., with all of the injured or dead solidiers families wanting something for their loss, I don&#39;t understand how this moron has remained un-affected. I can&#39;t see how such a gun happy country, with so many against him, has not tried any attempt on the (and I use the term loosley) mans life. I am not saying go out and do it, but I just thought this kind of idiot would have been brought down by now. It is a shame that it did not go off.....

Tupac-Amaru
20th May 2005, 11:10
Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2005, 03:21 PM

If Cheney takes over it will only be temporary, there MUST be an election. And Cheney will NEVER win an election for President.
Yes, but the election would be at the end of Bush&#39;s term in office. Meaning 4 years. So if Bush died today..Cheney would be in power for 4 years before an election...and that gives him enough time to destroy the world&#33; :ph34r:

break them chains&#33;
20th May 2005, 17:54
this is the same thing as ww1&#33; its even the sam location&#33; do you really want anther world war? america will make any excuse to fight a war and take more power from more countries than it already has. FUCK AMERICA&#33; and fuck the president and his fascist ways&#33;

MKS
20th May 2005, 18:15
Cheney already is the President , Bush is just a puppet, an electable face for the crowds, the lovable down home Texan, as opposed to the cold hearted corporate stooge, and architect of everything Imperial (Cheney).

Inti
1st June 2005, 03:10
Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2005, 04:41 PM
Why not? Because he&#39;s an impotent corporate neo-con motherfucker, of course. But he has money and "powerful groups" to win, so who cares, right? There&#39;s nothin&#39; ta do to stop &#39;rese idiots, after-all&#33; SO JUST SHOOT &#39;EM UP&#33;

ARGH&#33;&#33; :angry: Why didn&#39;t it detonate? Fuck it, I must hire better grenadieers - with a decent throwin&#39; arm, next time, &#39;tho&#33; :D
Perhaps you should hire one MLB pitcher next time:) I have heard that some of them are pumped up on some goodstuff;) :lol:

Colombia
1st June 2005, 16:02
The pitcher could probably just throw it at Bush&#39;s head and kill him.

bolshevik butcher
1st June 2005, 19:00
Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2005, 05:15 PM
Cheney already is the President , Bush is just a puppet, an electable face for the crowds, the lovable down home Texan, as opposed to the cold hearted corporate stooge, and architect of everything Imperial (Cheney).
True, it wouldn&#39;t really have made a difference, as long as the current system remains in place then reactionary polititians will reamain.

workersunity
1st June 2005, 19:03
too bad it didnt go off :(

Che NJ
1st June 2005, 20:02
Though it would suck with Cheney as president, he would never be able to put a "charming" face on his wickedness the way Bush so eloquently seems to do.
He&#39;s right, Bush gets most of his popular vote from people who think he&#39;s a good guy. I don&#39;t think Cheney is popular at all. Also the republicans would probably lose some of their christian fundamentalist support with bush gone.

Inti
1st June 2005, 22:01
Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2005, 04:02 PM
The pitcher could probably just throw it at Bush&#39;s head and kill him.
Which would be A OK by me:) The nade xploding afterwards would just be a bonus :ph34r:

OleMarxco
1st June 2005, 22:15
Originally posted by Inti+Jun 1 2005, 02:10 AM--> (Inti @ Jun 1 2005, 02:10 AM)
[email protected] 19 2005, 04:41 PM
Why not? Because he&#39;s an impotent corporate neo-con motherfucker, of course. But he has money and "powerful groups" to win, so who cares, right? There&#39;s nothin&#39; ta do to stop &#39;rese idiots, after-all&#33; SO JUST SHOOT &#39;EM UP&#33;

ARGH&#33;&#33; :angry: Why didn&#39;t it detonate? Fuck it, I must hire better grenadieers - with a decent throwin&#39; arm, next time, &#39;tho&#33; :D
Perhaps you should hire one MLB pitcher next time ) I have heard that some of them are pumped up on some goodstuff ;) :lol: [/b]
Yeah, well, don&#39;t sweat it. What the fuck is a MLB pitcher? I heard this on the radio too, once, before I read this thread, &#39;tho, me thinkesth. And what so, is this so-called "goodstuff"? We ain&#39;t needin&#39; go goddarn good stuff, we need some seriously "pumped up" wicked stuff, that KEELS&#33; Foh real, mutha&#33; :P

Commie Rat
2nd June 2005, 10:35
good it didn&#39;t go off
i hate the motherfucker- but in death he would be a martyr and this would allow for more crack downs on all leftists

there is a time and a place for this but it is not now

bolshevik butcher
2nd June 2005, 21:34
true.