Revolution spreading in South America?

[soilride]

Check this out...
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New Rebel Group in Ecuador Claims Ties to FARC
www.stratfor.com
13 September 2002

Summary
A little-known group calling itself the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Ecuador has taken credit for two bombs that exploded recently in the coastal city of Guayaquil. The FARE could be a front for the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) or a stand-alone group. Either way, its emergence suggests the Colombian conflict soon will affect U.S. personnel and assets outside Colombia.

Analysis
A group that calls itself the FARE has claimed credit for two small bombs that detonated in the port city of Guayaquil Aug. 28, damaging a McDonald's restaurant and several buildings. In a statement distributed by e-mail on Sept. 11, the FARE claimed its members were trained by the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC), and it promised more violence in Ecuador, including threats to assassinate corrupt politicians.

Very little is known about the FARE. It is not clear whether the group actually exists or is a FARC cell seeking to frighten Ecuadoreans into rejecting their country's assistance to U.S. forces involved in the war on drugs and rebels in Colombia. However, if the FARE does exist as a separate entity, it could indicate that Colombian rebels are reaching out to like-minded supporters in neighboring countries in an effort to turn the Colombian war into a regional conflict. And if the FARE indeed was responsible for the recent bombings in Guayaquil, it would suggest that the group has sufficient reach to attack political and economic targets in Ecuador's major urban centers, such as the capital city of Quito.

With the first round of Ecuador's presidential elections scheduled for Oct. 20, the government of lame-duck President Gustavo Noboa cannot dismiss the FARE's e-mailed threats as a hoax meant to destabilize the country politically. Several candidates -- including two brothers of former presidents, two coup leaders, an artist and a banana tycoon -- are vying for the presidency. And if any of these candidates is attacked or killed by groups claiming to belong to the FARE, it could influence the outcome of elections in a country where most voters do not support free-market policies, and where deep political divisions exist between the ruling elites in mountainous Quito and coastal Guayaquil.

The first known mention of the FARE apparently surfaced two years ago in graffiti scribblings that appeared in Lago Agrio, the capital of oil-rich Sucumbios province in northern Ecuador. At the time, government and military officials said the FARE appeared to be modeled after the FARC and reportedly numbered up to 400 Ecuadorean and Colombian fighters. Officials in Quito were either unable or unwilling to provide more information about the group.

Although the FARE has been blamed for several attacks against oil infrastructure in the past two years, Ecuadorean authorities have never actually linked the group to these attacks. In fact, the FARE has maintained a very low profile and has not been connected to any of the numerous killings in Sucumbios or the lawless provinces of Carchi and Esmeraldas, which border Colombia. Nor has the group been linked to drugs- or weapons-smuggling in the border regions.

If the FARE is indeed responsible for the recent attacks in Guayaquil, it would represent a significant leap forward for a group that until now had been isolated in part of northern Ecuador and had shown little propensity for political proselytizing or sabotage. The choice of Guayaquil for the inaugural bomb attacks also suggests the group may have ties to criminal drugs- and arms-smuggling gangs, including the FARC, in that city. Ecuador's coastal region is heavily populated with immigrant Arab merchants. Guayaquil, where customs officials are famously corrupt, is also a major hub for smugglers of dry goods, illegal immigrants, narcotics, precursor chemicals, weapons and explosives. This makes Guayaquil important to Colombian groups like the FARC and National Liberation Army (ELN), both of which likely have ties to the city's criminal underworld.

The FARE shares some interesting characteristics with another shadowy group, the Bolivarian Liberation Front (FLB), that recently surfaced in Venezuela. According to news reports from Venezuela's border states with Colombia, the FLB includes up to 2,000 fighters trained by the FARC and ELN.

Both the FARE and FLB say they are receiving training, weapons and logistical support from the FARC in Colombia, although FARC spokesmen have dismissed these claims as false. Both the FARE and FLB also claim to be defenders of indigenous rights and revolutionaries. Finally, while both groups claim to be real, their existence has yet to be verified.

Nevertheless, even if the FARE and FLB prove to be FARC front groups posing as new entities, their emergence would suggest that Colombia's largest rebel army might be developing capabilities to attack U.S. targets outside Colombia and to spread confusion and disinformation meant to destabilize the region even more.

[Guardia Bolivariano]

In south america we have always had insurgent group that fight for verious reasons but they started to disapear because they coulnd't find anymore suport fighters or they just couldn't take te goverment.But now that they that the peace agreements didn't make any huge progress in the latin countrys they are ready to regroup and figth again and this time they will be no more agreements.

[Borincano]

I hope this new group won't become like the FARC or el Sendero Luminoso, because they gained very little support from the people because of their violence. Fight for the people, not against them. If Fidel Castro and Ché Guevara did what they did, then they wouldn't have succeded in their revolución. Those who start murdering their own people because they believe that is the only way they'll win, don't deserve victory.

[soilride]

Borincano,

It is quite easy to get mixed up with finding out reports coming out of Colombia and Ecuador concerning guerrillas and revolutionary movements. I once thought as you because most of the time I believed what I was reading and what i was hearing.

For any revolutionary movement to survive, succeed and win is because it consists of the people themselves who have made the conscious decision to fight for people. What the actual situation and conditions exist in Colombia will finally determine how revolutionary these forces will be.

I find it useless to make personal judgments really on any one revolutionary movement or another...only because I firmly believe that reality will determine the final judgement.

soilride

[Borincano]

Quote: from soilride on 10:18 pm on Sep. 16, 2002
For any revolutionary movement to survive, succeed and win is because it consists of the people themselves who have made the conscious decision to fight for people.

That is exactly what I meant. Fighting for the people, not claiming they are the people and fighting for the people, then go into their towns and murder those who don't want to join their revolución. I don't believe everything I read and hear. I believe in reality, just as you do. :)

[soilride]

Quote: from Borincano on 4:22 am on Sep. 17, 2002



That is exactly what I meant. Fighting for the people, not claiming they are the people and fighting for the people, then go into their towns and murder those who don't want to join their revolución. I don't believe everything I read and hear. I believe in reality, just as you do. :)

Actually I don't really know what you mean. *To me, it sounds as if you are unsure of whether to support a revolutionary movement that claims to be fighting *for* the people or a revolutionary movement *of* the people...what if their "claims" of being of the people who are fighting for the people are "correct"?

That is why I do not make such personal judgments upon movements that are legitimate armed struggles against oppressive and repressive regimes. *

Killing their own people? *This is the work of bloody ruling classes and people [such as Uribe] and the military and para-military death squads, who pour into these villages who torture and massacre their own people just for sympathizing with the guerrillas and their revolutionary movement.

And just as it is with Cuba, a struggling nation and movement that must keep true to the conditions of its time and in revolutionary struggle [not yet a flown blown revolution], even the politically unaware are caught up in the battle for consciousness and the fight for reality. *It is definetely a guerrilla warfare for the right to conscience.

Comradely yours,
soilride

[Borincano]

Quote: from soilride on 10:13 pm on Sep. 17, 2002
[quote]Actually I don't really know what you mean. To me, it sounds as if you are unsure of whether to support a revolutionary movement that claims to be fighting *for* the people or a revolutionary movement *of* the people...what if their "claims" of being of the people who are fighting for the people are "correct"?

That is why I do not make such personal judgments upon movements that are legitimate armed struggles against oppressive and repressive regimes.

Killing their own people? This is the work of bloody ruling classes and people [such as Uribe] and the military and para-military death squads, who pour into these villages who torture and massacre their own people just for sympathizing with the guerrillas and their revolutionary movement.

In my opinion, for a revolutionary movement to be truly for the people and to work, it must be of the people. Yes, there could be intellectuals in the 'equation,' (Dr. Salvador Allende Gossens, Dr. Fidel Castro Ruz, Dr. Ernesto 'Ché' Guevara...etc) however, the movement can't completely be made up by intellectuals who live the high-life and know very-little of the true suffering of the people. (I don't specifically mean the examples above.)

You have to make judgements. If you don't, how would you know if they're legitimate? You must seek the truth, not assume what's being told to you by a political group you believe in, is telling the whole truth.

Latin America is full of blood-shed. No need to explain to me who the true murderers are. However, there have been and still are political movements who too are murderers.

(Edited by Borincano at 10:29 pm on Sep. 17, 2002)

[soilride]

Quote: from Borincano on 4:22 am on Sep. 18, 2002
You have to make judgements. If you don't, how would you know if they're legitimate? You must seek the truth, not assume what's being told to you by a political group you believe in, is telling the whole truth.

My question for you is: How do "you" seek the truth? And what is "truth"?

And for the record, no political organization has ever told me what to believe or otherwise. And as far as "intellectuals" within the ranks of the FARC-EP living the "high-life" is just ignorance to the fact that Manuel Marulanda Velez Chief Commandant of the FARC-EP [among many other leaders who have the background neccessary] was a peasant and worker when he first joined the guerrilla struggle against imperialism. His "high-life" consists of living in the mountains with the people struggling for survival. Now that is more than you or I are doing and in this respect who is really living the "high-life"? As far as the General Staff is concerned, they can not afford to be "philosophical" and see themselves as "intellectuals" about their situation. The only difference between you and the FARC-EP is experience and the guts to struggle based on the conditions of their situation.

If you are not for the FARC-EP or the ELN then may I ask: What are you for? And then I would ask how would you consist of implementing your ideas? Based on the conditions you may find yourself I hardly think that your revolutionary movment [if you had one that is] in Colombia would be any different than the FARC-EP, or ELN in spite of the lack of experience you would have trying to implement it.

Take care comrade.

[soilride]

Something I forgot to mention.

It is one thing to "criticize" and talk about believing in reality. It is another to actually fight for it.

[Borincano]

Quote: from soilride on 10:07 am on Sep. 18, 2002
[quote]

My question for you is: How do "you" seek the truth? And what is "truth"?

And for the record, no political organization has ever told me what to believe or otherwise. And as far as "intellectuals" within the ranks of the FARC-EP living the "high-life" is just ignorance to the fact that Manuel Marulanda Velez Chief Commandant of the FARC-EP [among many other leaders who have the background neccessary] was a peasant and worker when he first joined the guerrilla struggle against imperialism. His "high-life" consists of living in the mountains with the people struggling for survival. Now that is more than you or I are doing and in this respect who is really living the "high-life"? As far as the General Staff is concerned, they can not afford to be "philosophical" and see themselves as "intellectuals" about their situation. The only difference between you and the FARC-EP is experience and the guts to struggle based on the conditions of their situation.

If you are not for the FARC-EP or the ELN then may I ask: What are you for? And then I would ask how would you consist of implementing your ideas? Based on the conditions you may find yourself I hardly think that your revolutionary movment [if you had one that is] in Colombia would be any different than the FARC-EP, or ELN in spite of the lack of experience you would have trying to implement it.

I have never called you ignorant, so don't do the same to me. I can see that you're getting a little frustrated or inpatient with me. As for myself, I'm calm, lol.

How I seek the truth? From hearing from all sides of the political spectrum. Then making a judgement from what I've learned.

I didn't mean the FARC specifically. I meant all the movements of Latin America passed and present. My opinion of the FARC is not very flattering, but you're an "expert" on them, so I'll keep them to myself. ;)

I support Puerto Rican Independence. IHowever, I don't support any of the violent, "revolutionary" groups that sprang up in the 60's to the present.

Are you fighting with the FARC or in Ecuador with that new "revolutionary" group? If you are or going to, then good for you! You know very little about me and I'm not about to write my autobiography on this forum. Therefore, keep your personal comments about me following through on my beliefs to yourself and let's keep on the subject. Take care. ;)

[soilride]

From what I recall in my last post to you, i have never called you ignorant, or asked you about your personal life and activities. I think I only asked you to place yourself in that situation, not for your autobiography. And in actuality, I am not fustrated nor 'impatient' by anything that is said between us. This discussion digresses from the main subject because it was made personal through personal comments, not political nor social.

I find that personal opinions don't do much to change society and only the sideliners boo at the players on the field playing hardball, metaphorically speaking. Anyone can sit and "criticize' but not everyone will struggle and share in the hardships of what it means to make the world a better place, by any means necessary. It is up to you whether you want to continue being "against" these groups, but that is not important really. What are you for? What world are you for? What are your answers to the current problem? What type of society should the people go? All these questions are left unanswered [and don't feel that you have to reply to me-just think and reflect on what you really stand for in this world-you don't have to share with anyone unless you want to]

I am sorry you do not support any movements from the 1960's on and I am sorry you draw the line at "violence" since all these things are not really the issue. A great example is the social struggle waged by the Zapatistas in which the peasants and the Indians play the decisive role in the way society should go. When the people have decided that is time for peace or for armed struggle-one should support them in any decision they make and realize in their decision they are demonstrating to the world and each other their path towards self-empowerment and liberation.

[Borincano]

Quote: from soilride on 11:29 pm on Sep. 18, 2002
From what I recall in my last post to you, i have never called you ignorant, or asked you about your personal life and activities. I think I only asked you to place yourself in that situation, not for your autobiography. And in actuality, I am not fustrated nor 'impatient' by anything that is said between us. This discussion digresses from the main subject because it was made personal through personal comments, not political nor social.

I find that personal opinions don't do much to change society and only the sideliners boo at the players on the field playing hardball, metaphorically speaking. Anyone can sit and "criticize' but not everyone will struggle and share in the hardships of what it means to make the world a better place, by any means necessary. It is up to you whether you want to continue being "against" these groups, but that is not important really. What are you for? What world are you for? What are your answers to the current problem? What type of society should the people go? All these questions are left unanswered [and don't feel that you have to reply to me-just think and reflect on what you really stand for in this world-you don't have to share with anyone unless you want to]

I am sorry you do not support any movements from the 1960's on and I am sorry you draw the line at "violence" since all these things are not really the issue. A great example is the social struggle waged by the Zapatistas in which the peasants and the Indians play the decisive role in the way society should go. When the people have decided that is time for peace or for armed struggle-one should support them in any decision they make and realize in their decision they are demonstrating to the world and each other their path towards self-empowerment and liberation.

You don't need to ask me or call me anything directly for to I to know what you mean. You asked what political groups I support, assuming I was apart of anything...etc that is asking personal questions. Also, I didn't write that you asked for an autobiography. You have to read between the lines in my posts. That is why we're still conversing. It was a figure of speech.

I have answered many of the questions you asked in this forum before. I rather keep to the subject on this thread, but if you want to know, then just look into what I write on other threads. I made decisions on my personal beliefs long ago, no need for you to assume I'm still confused about this world just because I don't support any groups that claim to be for and of the people, when they are the ones who make the people's lives as miserable as the right-wing/neo-liberalist leaders.

Anyway, I support the Zapatistas head on. They're different from the FARC. They use violence, yes, but they don't sell drugs that enslave the oppressed minorities in the USA that the same gov't leaders who oppress Latin America are keeping subversive and docile. They don't forcibly recruit peasants, they don't plant bombs in México D.F. They deserve more respect than any of the other "revolutionary" groups in Latin America. If you don't agree with me, that's your opinion. I find that probably 90% of this forum don't support the FARC and/or prefer the Zapatistas over the FARC.

I'm not from Colombia, México, or Ecuador. What I really know about is Puerto Rico, my nation, and my criticism of anything Puerto Rican is a right that I have since people such as myself will probably make decisions that will change Puerto Rico's future. I may criticize the FARC on this forum from all the information I gathered, because it's my right as well. They waged war, great, but is everything they're doing, right? I have an opinion, just as everyone else. Just because I don't prefer to get up and fight for Colombia doesn't mean I can't comment on their war. If that was so, then there wouldn't be a world press or any internet forums.

If I supported them, you'd probably wouldn't care if I'm fighting with them, just that I support a cause you believe in. However, because I don't, you want to cry "foul." Sorry, you can't have it both ways. :)

I never meant that I don't support any groups after the 1960's. I meant I don't support any Puerto Rican political groups after the 60's that support violence. That was made clear when I wrote that directly after my comment on supporting Puerto Rican independence.

Also, my first comment on this thread was so simple. It was because you inferred wrong, that you have brought this to the point it is. All I pretty much meant was that I hope that this new "revolutionary" group won't use the same violence against the people, and give the military and right-wing leaders an excuse to oppress, as some other Latin American groups have. Pretty much, I meant that it should be something like the Zapatistas and not like el Sendero Luminoso.

(Edited by Borincano at 4:41 pm on Sep. 19, 2002)

[soilride]

When I ask you what are you for, I mean what do you stand on? I don't care what guerrilla movement you stand for or your personal opinions about them...I am more interested in what your political platform is that has arisen from the world around you.

It is one thing to talk of revolutionary movements that are happening in other countries and to receive information that may or may not be true. It is quite another to focus on the political realites of the day in the world that you find yourself. And that is what I am most concerned with.

Unlike you, I don't assume that you are part of any political organization and vice versa. And even if you were, it wouldn't really be important.

As far as the FARC-EP is concerned, there is no evidence that the FARC-EP is selling drugs-I duly noted this when I read anti-FARC-EP books who are just looking to call the guerrilllas "narco-terrorists" on the covers and yet not one thing mentioned between guerrillas making profit from the drug trade when one reads the contents. A book to read to find that out is LONG MARCH TO FREEDOM: Tom Hargrove's Own Story of His Kidnapping by Colombian Narco-Guerrillas by Thomas R. Hargrove himself. And the FARC-EP doesn't recruit members through the use of force or terrorism. I used to believe all this as well...

I do not believe in what I hear about the FARC-EP anymore by other sources who claim they have the "truth" about them. The reality in Colombia determines the truth. To condemn the FARC-EP for "hurting" other working class abroad is the same as condemning a portion of the working class whose main task is building weapons of mass destruction in the U.S. to bomb, murder and devestate entire working class communities around the world. Once one realizes this is useless, then one must go beyond just condemning revolutionary movements and concentrate on what can be done in society today?

No one is in a position to judge the FARC-EP anymore than the FARC-EP is in a position to judge what we do...

And I really think that is a problem on this board along with the revolutionary movments happening today...everyone is caught up on having to make judgments on everything when it sidetracks the real issue of what is to be done?

I don't care if 99.9% of this board prefers Zapatistas over FARC-EP simply because they appear to more or less "violent". I am not moved by statistics, but rather by what reality is telling us what we need to do.

Comradely yours,
soilride

[Borincano]

Quote: from soilride on 8:55 pm on Sep. 19, 2002
When I ask you what are you for, I mean what do you stand on? I don't care what guerrilla movement you stand for or your personal opinions about them...I am more interested in what your political platform is that has arisen from the world around you.

It is one thing to talk of revolutionary movements that are happening in other countries and to receive information that may or may not be true. It is quite another to focus on the political realites of the day in the world that you find yourself. And that is what I am most concerned with.

Unlike you, I don't assume that you are part of any political organization and vice versa. And even if you were, it wouldn't really be important.

As far as the FARC-EP is concerned, there is no evidence that the FARC-EP is selling drugs-I duly noted this when I read anti-FARC-EP books who are just looking to call the guerrilllas "narco-terrorists" on the covers and yet not one thing mentioned between guerrillas making profit from the drug trade when one reads the contents. A book to read to find that out is LONG MARCH TO FREEDOM: Tom Hargrove's Own Story of His Kidnapping by Colombian Narco-Guerrillas by Thomas R. Hargrove himself. And the FARC-EP doesn't recruit members through the use of force or terrorism. I used to believe all this as well...

I do not believe in what I hear about the FARC-EP anymore by other sources who claim they have the "truth" about them. The reality in Colombia determines the truth. To condemn the FARC-EP for "hurting" other working class abroad is the same as condemning a portion of the working class whose main task is building weapons of mass destruction in the U.S. to bomb, murder and devestate entire working class communities around the world. Once one realizes this is useless, then one must go beyond just condemning revolutionary movements and concentrate on what can be done in society today?

No one is in a position to judge the FARC-EP anymore than the FARC-EP is in a position to judge what we do...

And I really think that is a problem on this board along with the revolutionary movments happening today...everyone is caught up on having to make judgments on everything when it sidetracks the real issue of what is to be done?

I don't care if 99.9% of this board prefers Zapatistas over FARC-EP simply because they appear to more or less "violent". I am not moved by statistics, but rather by what reality is telling us what we need to do.

I already stated my political platform. Puerto Rican Independence. Sorry, but this is a problem with you. You go along and ask a question that I already clearly answered. I also support democratic-socialism. I'm not seeking to change the world, first, I rather focus on my docile nation.

Again, another thing I clearly answered. I don't just read comments from one point of view. I seek the truth from different point of views. I came to the conclusion that the FARC do sell drugs. If they didn't, then where are all these drugs from Colombia coming from? The para-militaries can't be making them all. Puerto Rico is a main stop for drugs from Colombia.

Why do think that book is the ultimate truth and the others were not? Again, I have a mind and I'm allowed to make judgements. I'm not posting up anti-FARC posters and fighting for the para-military, but my mind is mines to keep.

You're right, one must focus on what one could do to improve society. However, one has a mind, a mind that is able to think what it will. If you don't like something, you have a right to think and/or express that. It was the FARC's judgement on the right-wing Colombian gov't that made them want to change society.

Take care. ;)

[soilride]

I would like to make one correction on something I have said and that is concerning statistics. Just because everyone else may have a "preference" over one revolutionary group over another doesn't mean anything. Just because *you* have a preference for the Zapatistas over the FARC-EP [insert any movement you wish here] doesn't mean anything. I don't have preferences and I don't need them.

I'll tell you a little bit about myself, so that you may know where I am coming from. I was born in Colombia, grew up in the United States. I served in the US Military as an Infantry Airborne soldier-[I must sadly admit] and currently I am looking to goto school to pursue some sort of education I may be interested in. i am no "student" nor "intellecutal' as well. So please don't tell me that I am an "expert" on anything. One thing I have noticed from my political work with the working class is that there is a deep resentment for the experts and for those who think they have everything all figured out. And it is precisely those who are "experts" and "intelligent" who have done nothing to fight for the working class.

Being born in Colombia has nothing to do with my support for the guerrilla movement inside Colombia, or any country in the world. I do not base my political activism on where I am "from" or to who and what people I am "connected" to nationally. And because of that I am for the Puerto Rican Independence as well especially from American imperialism and colonialism. Yet in the context of my support for these revolutionary movements-and knowing that what happens in the world is directly related to where I am in the world, I must fight for people's empowerment and people's conscience and people's reality where i am now.

There are many other books out there concerning the "violent" "narco-guerrillas" in Colombia...I have only mentioned one as an example.

A good book to read about the drug trade and kidnappings of Colombia is Gabriel Garcia Marquez's book "News of a Kidnapping" and will does depict the lives of the Drug lords and cartels and mafias who are in control of the international drug trades between other criminal organizations.

As far as "truth" is concerned-it is a confirmation of knowledge based in the real world. Where does knowledge come from? Nature and society and learning from the material conditions of life based in this reality.

Listening to all points of the political spectrum to obtain truth is hardly logical way of trying to receive correct information. The world as it is changing right now is our learning place, not by what can be heard from the mouths of others.

It was FARC-EP's decision to struggle for reality when the peasant and the workers realized this is what needed to be done...and that the right-wing and conservatives and majority of the liberals have shown that they do not represent themselves as working towards solutions to the problems in society. Their decision was based on the historical conditions, not on political opinions that contrasted with politicians and elements of the ruling classes. This was also the case with the Zapatistas, who did not struggle for their rights because it conflicted with "other" people's opinions, but struggled because society and nature demanded it to ensure the rights of all.

Comradely yours,
soilride

[Borincano]

My preferences mean something to me.

It's great that you explained yourself to me. However I really wasn't interested, lol. :) It's also great that you support the working class. I do as well. I see the working class everyday. I work with them all the time. I consider you to be an intelligent individual, however I know that you will be an intellectual that will help the people in their struggles for freedom. Like those I mentioned before, they were intellectuals that used their intelligence to help the people. There are also those who use their intelligence for power. Don't condem all intellectuals just because they have intelligence, lol. :)

It's also great that you support Puerto Rican independence. Sadly, there are many who support causes without knowing much about it, soley because they are associated with it some how. (As for yourself, supporting the working class and revolutionary movements in Latin America....etc) I accept anyone who supports freedom for my island, but I rather see those who support us for who we are and what we live under instead because we live under the USA in particular. Get what I'm saying?

I find learning from others very logical. (Again, you don't read in between the lines. I never wrote only through mouth. You could clearly infer through books, news, internet, television and people...etc I can see from your posts that you've learned from books...that learning from others.) We all learned from others in our lives. In many cases, that's the only way to learn about things you don't see in front of your face. Again, I'm not in Colombia. I don't see the oppression, the FARC, the death. I must learn from it somewhere else. However, in the case of Puerto Rico. I've seen it in front of my face, thus that is why I support independence.

So you pretty much mean, that they've received a call from nature to fight for themselves? That it had nothing to do with those who didn't want to help them? If their opinions didn't contrast with the leaders of their country, they wouldn't have fought for their rights, because it already would have been ensured. It was because they were living in the conditions that they were in, saw no change and disagreed with the way their leaders were handling their situation, that they decided to fight. (I don't mean the FARC specifically, but all of Latin American's strugglers.)

Also, what is your proof that the FARC isn't selling drugs? Either way, I don't want it in my country, lol.

I can see we'll never agree on the FARC. I simply don't support them or care for them. I love Latin Americans, but the problems of Colombians are the problems of Colombians. The problems of the Puerto Ricans are the problems of my people, therefore I will focus on that first....but I still have a mind full of opinions on many things in this world. Something you could disagree on from here to the moon, but it won't change the way I think. Good luck for your struggle in Colombia. :)

(Edited by Borincano at 10:39 pm on Sep. 19, 2002)