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Rage
17th May 2005, 22:45
I am a supporter of Mumia. I am willing to debate people as too why they hate him if they do, and I am willing to talk about how he are going to free him to his supporters.

Taken from a post I made earler:

"For there to be equivalence, the death penalty would have to punish a criminal who had warned his victom of the date at whcih he would inflict a horrible death on him and who, from that moment onward, had confined him at his mercy for months. Such a monster is not encountered in private life" - Albert Camus Reflections on the Guillotinen Resistance, Rebellion and Death.

Mumia Abu-Jamal was in a car with his brother. He was pulled over by cop Daniel Faulkner who had no warrant to pull him over. Faulkner harassed Mumia’s brother who in return punched him in the face. Faulkner then got out a Flashlight and beat Mumia’s brother over the head more then five times. Mumia ran out of the car pulled a gun out, because he felt a threat to himself. Faulkner saw the gun aimed at him and fired. The shot hit Mumia in the shoulder. Mumia fired back hitting the cop 4 times in the back. Then once in the head. He was in so much pain he just sat there on the curb until the cops showed up and arrested him.

At his trial Mumia was allocated only $150 pretrial for defense. He faced a judge who had put the most people to death row in all history of American. over 50% of those people were Black. The cops had also bribed some of the witnesses in favor of Faulkner. Mumia was sentenced to Death Row where he has been for over 15 years. He killed one person in his own Self- defense.


Edit: Publius cleared the facts up for us. The Judge has sentenced 31 people to death. 29 were black.


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Rock on!

Publius
17th May 2005, 23:09
Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2005, 09:45 PM


At his trial Mumia was allocated only $150 pretrial for defense. He faced a judge who had put the most people to death row in all history of American. over 50% of those people were Black. The cops had also bribed some of the witnesses in favor of Faulkner. Mumia was sentenced to Death Row where he has been for over 15 years. He killed one person in his own Self- defense.


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Rock on!

Mumia Abu-Jamal was in a car with his brother. He was pulled over by cop Daniel Faulkner who had no warrant to pull him over. Faulkner harassed Mumia’s brother who in return punched him in the face. Faulkner then got out a Flashlight and beat Mumia’s brother over the head more then five times. Mumia ran out of the car pulled a gun out, because he felt a threat to himself. Faulkner saw the gun aimed at him and fired. The shot hit Mumia in the shoulder. Mumia fired back hitting the cop 4 times in the back. Then once in the head. He was in so much pain he just sat there on the curb until the cops showed up and arrested him.

You don't need a warrent to pull someone over when they commit a traffic offense.

Mumia's brother initiated the violence, meaning Officer Faulkner was fully in the right using force. If you punch me in the face, I just might beat you down with a flashlight.

Mumia didn't feel a theat to himself because he was a hundred feet away, in a car, and the officer didn't even know he was there.

Mumia started firing first, do you want the witness statements or the police report? That's right, you prefer the account from the guy sitting on death row. Surely HE doesn't a pregrogitive.

Tell me, how did Mumia shoot him 4 times in the back if Officer Faulkner shot him first? Did he shoot someone, obviuosly non-fattaly, than return to beating up his brother? The only logical explanation is that Mumia shot him the in the back, like the police report states.


At his trial Mumia was allocated only $150 pretrial for defense. He faced a judge who had put the most people to death row in all history of American. over 50% of those people were Black. The cops had also bribed some of the witnesses in favor of Faulkner. Mumia was sentenced to Death Row where he has been for over 15 years. He killed one person in his own Self- defense.

Mumia was NOT only allocated $150 dollars, that's just simply false. He was given 13,000 dollars: http://www.danielfaulkner.com/indexmyth5.html

You can in no way prove those facts about that judge as those statistics are not kept. They are made up.

The cops did not bribe any witnesses. Can you prove this?

Hampton
18th May 2005, 00:46
Mumia's brother initiated the violence, meaning Officer Faulkner was fully in the right using force. If you punch me in the face, I just might beat you down with a flashlight.

And if you're a black man stopped by the police in the middle of the night for no reason?


Mumia started firing first, do you want the witness statements or the police report? That's right, you prefer the account from the guy sitting on death row. Surely HE doesn't a pregrogitive.

Neither does the website done by the widow of the Daniel Faulker right? Sureeeee.


The cops did not bribe any witnesses. Can you prove this?

http://img274.echo.cx/img274/4693/untitledre5009jl.jpg

Also police testimony suggests that Cynthia White had in fact been a paid informant of the police, and that, at least in the years immediatly following the trial, she may have been getting put up in a fancy apartment across the river from Philly in New Jersey.


You can in no way prove those facts about that judge as those statistics are not kept. They are made up.

http://img289.echo.cx/img289/6369/untitled25005wt.jpg

Taken from Killing Time by Dave Lindorff.

Publius
18th May 2005, 01:16
Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2005, 11:46 PM






And if you're a black man stopped by the police in the middle of the night for no reason?

Driving the wrong-way down a one-way street is 'no reason'?

At 3:55 AM on December 9, 1981 Daniel Faulkner, a twenty five year old police Philadelphia Police Officer Daniel Faulkner observed a light blue Volkswagen driving down 13th Street (a one way street) the wrong way and then turning east onto Locust Street. Officer Faulkner then pulled the Volkswagen over in view of several eyewitnesses.


Not to mention that even IF he was pulled over wrongly, he still has no right to assualt a police officer.



Neither does the website done by the widow of the Daniel Faulker right? Sureeeee.

The facts are sourced, the site hosts the police reports, and hundreds of pages of court room documents.

And honestly, as biased as she may be, Mumia is undoubtably more biased.



Also police testimony suggests that Cynthia White had in fact been a paid informant of the police, and that, at least in the years immediatly following the trial, she may have been getting put up in a fancy apartment across the river from Philly in New Jersey.

CLAIM - The Police allowed Cynthia White, a prostitute and witness for the prosecution, to "work the streets with impunity", and failed to disclose alleged police protection afforded to Ms. White in return for favorable testimony. This claim is based on an assertion made by another prostitute, Veronica Jones (who was mentioned earlier in this piece) and by Mr. Jamal's investigator, Robert Greer.

FACTS - Ms. Jones testified at the 1996 PCRA hearing. Beyond conversations Ms. Jones purported to have had with Cynthia White, Ms. Jones and Jamal's attorneys produced no tangible proof to back her allegations. In her 1996 testimony, Jones stated that White's alleged "deal" was made by police officers whose names Jones couldn't remember. Ms. Jones was also unable to remember when the alleged "deal" was made, or what the benefits to Ms. White were, beyond being permitted to ply her trade without being arrested.

At the 1996 hearing, Ms. Jones repeatedly appeared quite confused as to whom she had spoken to about anything in 1982. She stated that a factor contributing to her confused state in 1996 was her heavy drug use throughout the 1980's.

In addition to her alleged conversation with Cynthia White, Ms. Jones, who in 1982 had been arrested on an armed robbery charge, now claims that she too was visited by police officers while awaiting trial. She alleges that these officers offered her a deal similar to the one allegedly provided for Ms. White, and that they threatened to go hard on her in regards to her pending armed robbery charge, if she didn't cooperate with them.

Again, Ms. Jones recollection regarding the facts of her own alleged meeting with police in 1982 is very unclear. While testifying in 1996, she was unable to remember what the specifics of this alleged deal were and she failed to remember how the deal was to benefit her, beyond being given a break on her pending felony case. Further, Jones couldn't remember the names of the officers that allegedly visited her or when the visit occurred.

The defense was once again unable to produce any corroborative evidence that this alleged meeting ever occurred or that any "deal" was made for Ms. Jones in 1982. Interestingly, in her 1996 testimony, Ms. Jones made it very clear that she never accepted any "deal" in 1982 to give false testimony against Mr. Jamal. Additionally in 1982, Ms. Jones never mentioned the alleged police pressure, which included the offer of a deal directly connected to her pending armed robbery case, to the Public Defender who was representing her in that case.

If any deal regarding Ms. Jones pending felony case had been struck, it would have come not from the police, but rather the District Attorney. The police have no authority to address how cases are dealt with in the courtroom and therefore they couldn't have held up their end of the supposed deal. Failure to do so would certainly have sent Ms. Jones running to the press. The District Attorney's records were reviewed by the defense in 1996 and there is no evidence of a deal being cut for Ms. Jones or Cynthia White in 1982.

And as for the Judge:

Mumia Abu-Jamal's supporters regularly vilify Judge Albert Sabo -- who presided over Jamal's 1982 trial and his 1995, 1996 and 1997 PCRA hearings -- by claiming that he orchestrated a sham trial that never afforded Jamal a chance for justice. They allege that Judge Sabo has sentenced more people to death -- 31 -- than any other judge in the United States. Of these 31 individuals, Jamal's supporters claim that 29 were African American. They argue that this number is evidence that Judge Sabo is a "racist hanging-judge."

Jamal's lawyers argue that Judge Sabo should have never been permitted to hear the case because of his relationship with law enforcement in Philadelphia. They point out that before becoming a Judge in 1974, Sabo served as an "Undersheriff" (the Sheriff's office transports prisoners to court and provides courtroom security) for 8 years, and he was also a member of the Fraternal Order of Police or "FOP" (a police union) during that time. Jamal's supporters contend that Sabo's past membership in the FOP should have precluded him from presiding over Jamal's trial.

In his article, "The Trial of Mumia Abu Jamal", Jamal's lawyer Leonard Weinglass writes, "The case was tried before the Honorable Albert Sabo, notorious for having put more people on death row than any other sitting judge in the United States." Weinglass has repeatedly stated that in 1982 Judge Sabo displayed clear and repeated bias against Jamal throughout the 1982 trial, as he continues to today, and that Sabo is a racist.

To further support their argument, Jamal's supporters often point to an article written by the Philadelphia Inquirer in which it is stated that several criminal defense lawyers claimed that Sabo was, "a defendant's worst nightmare" and that his courtroom was a "picnic for prosecutors."


BRIEF REBUTTAL

As a strategy to gain sympathy for Jamal, Weinglass and Jamal's supporters regularly misrepresent Judge Sabo's legitimate attempts to maintain order and proper decorum in his courtroom as evidence of bias against Jamal. Yet every legitimate news agency and periodical that has reviewed the case (ABC-TVs 20/20, KGO-TV in San Francisco, American Justice, Time, and Vanity Fair) has found that it was Jamal and his attorneys who acted improperly in their efforts to antagonize Judge Sabo at every turn. They also agreed that these combative actions by Jamal and his attorneys, which required the Judge to maintain order in the courtroom, have been misrepresented by Jamal.

The findings of these news organizations were echoed and confirmed by the Supreme Court in their 1998 decision when they wrote, "Upon review of the entire record, we cannot conclude that any of Judge Sabo's intemperate remarks were unjustified or indiscriminate, nor did they evidence a settled bias against Appellant."

As for Judge Sabo's record, it is unquestioned that he has a well-earned reputation for being a "no-nonsense" or "law and order" type of judge. Due to the length of his tenure and the fact that he was assigned to preside over homicide cases exclusively, it would not be surprising to find that more murderers have been convicted by juries and sentenced to death in his courtroom than in any other.

But the 31 convictions mentioned by Jamal's supporters were jury trials, in which the jury, not the judge, convicted and sentenced the defendants.

Further, it goes without saying, that a judge cannot select the race of the individuals that come before him. According to US Census Bureau statistics, Judge Sabo presided over trials in a city in which roughly 40% of the population were people of color. Given this simple demographic fact, it is not surprising that many of the defendants who appeared in Sabo's courtroom were black men. These men committed brutal and vicious crimes, and were found guilty and sentenced by jurors of their peers. Was Judge Sabo supposed to override the jury verdicts and release them in order to demonstrate his racial sensitivity?

The alleged "statistic" that Judge Albert Sabo "has sentenced more black men to death than any other judge in America," which is regularly thrown out as "fact" by Jamal's lawyers, is not a statistic at all. It's a piece of pure propaganda, invented by Jamal's lawyers out of thin air. In fact, there is no known agency that keeps track of such statistics. Jamal's lawyers have never bothered to cite the source for this supposed "fact," because it simply doesn't exist.

It is our feeling that the offensive label of "racist," -- which Jamal's supporters so freely attached to Judge Sabo -- should not be used lightly as to any individual. When challenged, Jamal's pitiful, hate-filled lawyers and supporters cannot point to a single scrap of evidence for their horrendous accusations against this well-respected and hard-working jurist.

Jamal's supporters complain that Jamal should not be stigmatized as a violent killer simply because he was a member of the Black Panthers. Then, in the same breath, they attack Judge Sabo, accusing him of bias against Jamal simply because Sabo was a member of the Fraternal Order of Police. Judge Sabo was, at one time, a member of the FOP. What Jamal's supporters won't tell you is that he last held this membership when he was an "Undersheriff" in 1974, eight years before he presided at Jamal's trial.


FACTS SUPPORTING OUR REBUTTAL

WAS JUDGE SABO BIASED AND UNFAIR?

Anyone who reads the trial transcripts with an open mind will see that it was not Judge Albert Sabo who had a vendetta against Jamal, as Jamal's attorneys contend. To the contrary, they will see that it was Jamal who engaged in an unrequited war with the entire legal system.

The 1982 trial record makes it eminently clear that Judge Sabo went to extraordinary lengths to accommodate Jamal's whims. Each time Jamal confronted the judge with one of his rambling tirades, the judge would ask the jury to be excused "so they will [would] not be adversely impacted by the defendants statements." Judge Sabo repeatedly explained his rulings to Jamal and detailed the legal recourse available to Jamal to challenge these rulings. Prior to removing him from the courtroom for his obstructionist behavior, Judge Sabo gave Jamal repeated warnings and he repeatedly told him that his resulting absence from the courtroom would likely be to his own detriment.

A review of the transcript of June 17, 1982 -- which was supposed to have been the first day of trial -- shows that Judge Sabo pleaded in vain with Jamal to allow the trial to move forward. He gave Jamal repeated warnings and direction as to how to address the rulings he made. In turn, Jamal insulted the judge and suggested that his only intent was to deny him "counsel of my choice" -- i.e., non-counsel John Africa -- and to see him convicted:

Defendant: "Judge, I have a statement."

Court: "If you have anything to say, say it at sidebar."

Defendant: "I need a microphone."

Court: "I don't have one."

Defendant: "You can get one."

Court: "You should have asked for one earlier."

Defendant: "I need one now."

Court: "You have to speak up and if you can't speak up then I may have to remove you and put in Mr. Jackson."

Defendant: "I don't care."

Court: "You can do whatever you want."

Defendant: "You can do whatever you want!"

Defendant: "I need a microphone."

Court: "I don't have a microphone."

Defendant: "You can get one, judge."

Court: "Lets go."
Defendant: "I need a microphone, judge."

Court: "I'm sorry."

Defendant: "Your sorry?"

Court: "Mr. McGill, please. [Let's proceed.]"

McGill: "Yes Your Honor."

Defendant: "I'm not finished!"

Court: "Mr. McGill, please."

Defendant: "I need a microphone."

Court: "You don't need a microphone now."

Defendant: "I need one now!"

Court: "You're speaking loud enough now, I can hear you."

Defendant: "I need everyone in the courtroom to hear me. I want everyone in the jury to hear me."

N.T. 6/17/82, 1.45-1.46

Court: "When I make a ruling you [Mr. Jamal] have an automatic exception to that ruling. It will be reviewed by the Appellate Court. I don't want to stand here and argue with you all day long on every ruling, I'm going to make throughout this trial."

Defendant: "Judge..."

Court: "I'm telling you now that if you continue that way I will have no alternative but to remove you as counsel, and you can sit in here.

Mr. Jackson will proceed. And if you continue to disrupt this court while you're sitting here, I will then be forced to consider contempt proceedings against you."

Defendant: "Again, those warnings of contempt are meaningless to me."

Court: "I know that."

Defendant: "You are threatening me with death and you think contempt means something to me?"

Court: "I don't care, but I'm required by the law to advise you of this, what will happen."

N.T. 6/17/82, 1.110-12

But Jamal said he didn't care what Judge Sabo said or, for that matter, what the law said. He told the judge that he would continue to obstruct the progress of the trial by demanding to have Africa as his "counsel." Even though Judge Sabo explained to Jamal that the law would not permit him to allow John Africa to pretend to be a lawyer, Jamal refused to accept his explanations.

The Court: [Sabo]: "I'm sorry, but the Court is bound by the law just as you are. I can't change that."

Defendant: "Well, I'm telling you that I cannot participate without John Africa, not in this trial. It's my life on the line."

McGill: "That surprises me. I didn't think you would pull this one."

Defendant: "Pull what? Pull what?"

McGill: Pull out of this case. You're saying you want to be tried, you want to be tried."

Defendant: "Did you hear what I said?"

McGill: "Why don't you do it [proceed pro se]?"

Defendant: "Did you hear what I said?"

McGill: "You said you don't want to participate."

Defendant: "Unless John Africa is here. Did you hear the whole statement?"

McGill: "I heard what you said."

Defendant: "Don't put words in my mind."

McGill: "Let's see you stay here and represent yourself and don't try to chicken out."

Defendant: "I'm not chickening out. That's unimportant to me. What I want is a representative of my choice, not your choice, not of his choice, he's court appointed."

The Court: "You don't understand, I'm bound by the law as well as you are, and the law is clear on this; that John Africa cannot represent you. You can represent yourself."

N.T. 6/17/82, 1.59-60

Judge Sabo continually warned Jamal that he would lose his right to act as his own lawyer if he persisted. Yet, Jamal refused to heed these warnings and continued to demand to have John Africa as his attorney.

Court: "And if you keep acting that way, you have to be removed from the courtroom."

Defendant: "That's absolutely meaningless to me. I am not --"

Court: "That's unfortunate that it's meaningless to you."

Defendant: "Let me make a point."

Court: "It's unfortunate --"

Defendant: "Let me make a point!"

Court: "I want it on the record so that you understand that I have advised you that our United States Supreme Court has spoken on this question [i.e., "representation" by a non-lawyer], the Pennsylvania Supreme Court has spoken on this question, and I've ruled on the law and that's it. And if you don't like it, take me up --"

Defendant: "Judge, you have ruled on procedure. You have not ruled on law because there is no law."

Court: "I have no choice. As long as Mr. Jackson ---"

Defendant: "Mr. Jackson --"

Court: "--can represent you."

Defendant: "He cannot represent me because I'm representing myself!"

N.T. 6/17/82, 1.110- 1.112

It wasn't until an entire day had been wasted arguing with Jamal that Judge Sabo's patience finally wore thin:

Court: "My position is that Mr. Jamal has been intentionally disrupting the orderly progression of this trial ---"

Defendant: "How!"

Court: "--- and what I said in the very beginning, when I make a ruling that's it, you don't argue with the Court about the ruling ---"

Defendant: "Judge, fine!"

Court: "You have certain rights but what I said is this: My position is that you have deliberately disrupted the orderly progression of this trial. Therefore, I am removing you as primary council and I am appointing Mr. Jackson to take over as primary counsel."

N.T. 6/17/82, 1.122

While the jury -- who had lives of their own that they had put on hold -- sat waiting in an adjacent room, Sabo, McGill and Jackson spent the better part of an entire day arguing with Jamal about John Africa. In an extraordinary effort to get the trial started, McGill (who prosecuted the case alone) and Sabo actually agreed to allow Jamal to have John Africa, and anyone else he wanted to bring in, to sit in the gallery directly behind the defense table. This was the very same place that McGill's support staff occupied on the prosecution side of the room. They further agreed to allow Africa to confer with Jamal during the trial and Judge Sabo even agreed to make arrangements to have Africa visit Jamal is his cell while the trial was not in progress. In short, the only thing Sabo refused to do was allow Africa to pretend that he was Jamal's attorney.

McGill: "If I may say to the Court, the Commonwealth has no objection if Mr. Jamal wants to bring in John Africa, wants to bring in anyone who is not incarcerated that is, into the courtroom and place them in the chairs back there behind the barriers there, exactly where my officers are. Detective Bill Thomas, Officer Gwen Thomas, right there, I have stated to the Court that I will be here at this table alone during the course of the trial. I have stated that Detective Bill Thomas will be in the room; however, he will be back where he is now, which is second row or someplace there. I have no objection and unless the Court has an objection of John Africa or anybody else sits in those chairs back there providing an opportunity for Mr. Jamal at recess or in between witnesses to go and discuss matters and that would include discussing matters before the Court. We could have Mr. Jamal down here at quarter after nine instead of 9:30, or some kind of arrangement consistent with the administrative needs of the Sheriff's Department so that he can discuss with them there anything he wishes about his defense.

I also, Your Honor, would have no objection if, along with Mr. Jackson, there would be times when Mr. Africa would go up to his cell room; that is, consistent with the needs of the Sheriff's Department. I do not want to go necessarily against the regulations there.

...There will be no one up here. It may cause me a little problem in terms of getting all the exhibits but there will be no one here except me. Mr. Jamal can be there and bring in anybody."

N.T. 6/17/82, 193-6

McGill: "Your Honor. Your honor has not really ruled as far as my, at least, suggestion was before."

The Court: "Look, anybody can be in this courtroom."

McGill: "You have no objection to Africa being here?"

The Court: "During breaks and all that."

McGill: "How about visiting upstairs?"

The Court: "Well, take it up with the Sheriff. If he can visit up there and they are able to accommodate, fine, he can visit him in the prison.

As far as I'm concerned he can visit him anywhere he wants. I'm not holding back on that."

McGill: "You have no objection if his name was placed on a list for him to be able to visit Mr. Jamal at the prison?"

The Court: "Certainly not. What difference does that make?"

N.T. 6/17/82, 1.114-5

To make Jamal appear victimized by Judge Sabo, his supporters regularly point to Judge Sabo's decision to remove Jamal from self-representation as evidence of his supposed "clear cut bias against Jamal." But this is exactly what the law required Sabo to do. Legal precedent clearly establishes that:

"When a defendant's obstreperous behavior is so disruptive that the trial cannot move forward, it is within the trial judge's discretion to require the defendant to be represented by counsel." (United States vs. Brock, 159 F.3d 1077, 1079) (7th Cir. 1998)

On two occasions, the Supreme Court has been asked to review and rule on Judge Sabo's actions. They found that Sabo displayed admirable patience with Jamal and that his decision to terminate his "pre se" status was both within the law and timely.


JUDGE SABO'S ACTIONS AND
RULINGS DURING THE TRIAL

One of the decisions made by Sabo that Jamal's supporters like to throw up as "evidence" of "bias" is Judge Sabo's decision to remove a black juror, Jeannie Dawley, from the jury after she violated sequestration. According to Jamal's supporters, Juror Jennie Dawley, supposedly "requested" to be allowed to go home to take care of her pet cat. The record shows that Ms. Dawley didn't request anything -- she just left, violating the court's sequestration order, saying, "I don't care what Judge Sabo or anybody says, I do what I have to do. Nobody is going to stop me" (N.T. 6/18/82, 2.35-2.39). She was therefore removed from the jury, with the full agreement of Jamal's lawyer (N.T. 6/18/82, 2.40-2.46) who had noted that Dawley had been "belligerent" towards Jamal from the start.

How on earth would this display Sabo's bias against Jamal? Well, Amnesty International explains that Dawley was replaced by one of the alternates, who was white. Now who's being racist? The law required replacement of a dismissed juror with the first alternate, who happened to be white. Was the Judge supposed to violate the law and find an alternate juror of a different color in order to satisfy the racial preferences of Jamal's supporters? Apparently so, according to Jamal's friends.

Jamal's followers also like to point to Judge Sabo's decision not to allow evidence of Robert Chobert's arson conviction (Chobert plead no contest to having thrown a Molotov cocktail into an empty school yard when he was 18 years old. He was in the final year of a five-year probation when he witnessed Officer Faulkner's murder.) Jackson wanted to argue to the jury that, because Chobert had committed this crime, he could be considered an untruthful person. After lengthy argument, Judge Sabo decided not to allow this because, under the law, arson is not a "crimen false" crime -- that is, it is not a crime which implies dishonesty or a tendency to testify falsely. As with all the other alleged "evidence" of Judge Sabo's bias, this decision has been reviewed twice by the Supreme Court and found to be proper. Yet, Jamal's supporters freely throw it out as clear evidence of Sabo's rampant bias against Jamal.

Jamal's followers often pointed to Judge Sabo's decision not to grant Jamal's request for a delay in the trial so that he could call police Officer Gary Wakshul as a witness. Jamal's more devious supporters, like Amnesty International, select a comment made by Sabo and take it out of context to make it appear that Sabo was biased against Jamal. Once again, when the entire situation and Judge Sabo's comment are reviewed in their entirety, we find Jamal and his attorneys distorting the record to fabricate "evidence" that simply does not exist.

Officer Gary Wakschul was one of the police officers that heard Jamal confess to the murder (For more information on Gary Wakschul and Jamal's confession see Myth #7). Jamal had received a copy of Officer Wakshul's statements to that effect prior to trial. Jackson acknowledged that he too had seen Wakshul's report before the trial began. Judge Sabo had reminded McGill, Jackson and Jamal to list every witness they intended to call during the trial. The defense never mentioned any desire to call Officer Wakshul. On the last day of the trial, while in the midst of offering character witnesses, Jackson abruptly told Judge Sabo that he and Jamal had both "forgotten" to call Wakshul; who was allegedly their "most important witness". (N.T. 7/1/82, 32). By this time, Officer Wakshul had concluded that he would not be needed, and had left on a previously-scheduled vacation. Rather than permit a delay that would have caused the trial to run into the 4th of July holiday, requiring the sequestered jury to sit waiting in a hotel room for several days, Judge Sabo denied Jackson's request for a continuance. Jamal, as usual, argued about this decision. Judge Sabo said in response, "Your attorney and you goofed."

And so they had. Not that it made any difference -- Wakshul testified in 1995 that he had indeed heard Jamal confess to the murder, and so his testimony would not have been helpful to the defense. But the circumstances of Jamal's "goof" concerning Wakshul demonstrate no bias or impropriety on the part of the Judge. The Pennsylvania Supreme Court rejected this claim in 1998.


JUDGE SABO'S RECORD

Judge Sabo began hearing cases as a judge in 1974. During his tenure he heard almost exclusively murder cases in a city that, according to U.S. Census Bureau statistics, was composed of nearly 40% "non-whites." Judges are obviously not permitted to choose the ethnicity of the defendants that come before them. And according to Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershewitz, nearly 90% of all defendants who go to trial are in fact guilty. If it were true that -- as Jamal's supporters claim -- Judge Sabo has presided over trials where the jury has "sent more people to Death Row than any other sitting judge," that would say absolutely nothing about Judge Sabo's quality as a judge, or his bias or lack of bias.


SO WHOSE STATISTIC IS THIS ANYWAY?

But is it even true? The supposed statistic that Judge Sabo has "sentenced more people to death than any other sitting judge" is constantly repeated by Jamal's lawyers, but the factual basis for this assertion -- if any -- has never been identified. At times, Leonard Weinglass will suggest that this supposed statistic was developed by the NAACP (National Association for the Advancement of Colored People). However, we contacted the NAACP's national legal department and they told us that this statistic did not come from them, because they "do not have the facilities or the resources to track such a statistic." Jamal's lawyers nevertheless represent it as if it were a fact.


ANYTHING BUT THE FACTS

In the end, Jamal's supporters clearly feel no need to present any actual evidence to support their accusations of judicial bias. It is our belief that the most open-minded and legally enlightened opinion regarding Judge Sabo's alleged bias and misconduct in the courtroom, would come from the seven Justices charged with reviewing this matter on behalf of all the people of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. Therefore, we have included the unanimous opinion rendered by the seven-member Pennsylvania Supreme Court, in October 1998, regarding the issues of misconduct and bias, leveled against Judge Albert Sabo, by Leonard Weinglass. Justice Cappy, who is a former defense attorney, wrote the Court's decision.

"Our careful review of the proceedings reveals that none of the challenged behavior on the part of Judge Sabo evidences an inability to preside impartially.

While there are certain instances in the record where the judge displays displeasure and/or impatience, those instances were, in large part, a direct result of obstreperous conduct on the part of Appellant's counsel. The record reveals instances where defense counsel refused to accept a particular ruling offered by the court, relentlessly urging the court to reconsider. Although we certainly don't condone unjustified or indiscriminate rhetoric on the part of the presiding judge, we are nevertheless mindful of the fact that judges, too, are subject to human emotion. It simply cannot be denied that this particular case was one that was not only highly publicized, but also highly emotionally charged. As a result, the judge's duty to maintain the judicial decorum of the proceedings, was, at times, met with great resistance. Upon review of the entire record, we cannot conclude that any of Judge Sabo's intemperate remarks were unjustified or indiscriminate, nor did they evidence a settled bias against Appellant."

Opinion of the Court, Pennsylvania Supreme Court, 10/29/98, 9-10

As we've seen over and over again as we have reviewed the Free Mumia campaign, the truth means little to Jamal's supporters. In order to shift the focus of the case from the real criminal, Mumia Abu-Jamal, his attorneys launch a baseless character assassination campaign against Judge Albert Sabo. But as the Supreme Court did, anyone who actually reviews the court record will see that it was Jamal, not the judge, who acted improperly.

Hampton
18th May 2005, 03:57
You can in no way prove those facts about that judge as those statistics are not kept. They are made up.



Mumia Abu-Jamal's supporters regularly vilify Judge Albert Sabo -- who presided over Jamal's 1982 trial and his 1995, 1996 and 1997 PCRA hearings -- by claiming that he orchestrated a sham trial that never afforded Jamal a chance for justice. They allege that Judge Sabo has sentenced more people to death -- 31 -- than any other judge in the United States. Of these 31 individuals, Jamal's supporters claim that 29 were African American. They argue that this number is evidence that Judge Sabo is a "racist hanging-judge."

Good job contradicting yourself.

But in all honesty unless you can supply your own argument and not copy and paste a mile long article. Congratulations you win the make your eyes bleed award of the day.

bed_of_nails
18th May 2005, 04:38
I read parts of it because frankly, I dont have THAT long of an attention span.

Publius, your claim of how
And honestly, as biased as she may be, Mumia is undoubtably more biased. has no backing ground.

You are looking at the widow of a police officer who wants to see somebody pay, and you have someone who's life is on the line.

I would much rather believe the man who's life is on the line.

MKS
18th May 2005, 04:50
Mumia should be set free, just to get even for all the black men killed by the cops over the past 200 years of American history.

t_wolves_fan
18th May 2005, 13:32
Light the fucker up like a Christmas tree and get it over with already.

The guy is a coward and cop-killer. Zap the fucker with enough juice to light up Philadelphia.

Rage
18th May 2005, 14:45
Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2005, 12:32 PM
Light the fucker up like a Christmas tree and get it over with already.

The guy is a coward and cop-killer. Zap the fucker with enough juice to light up Philadelphia.


I am pretty sure that they don't use electric chairs anymore...





Mumia was NOT only allocated $150 dollars, that's just simply false. He was given 13,000 dollars:

That is the most bullshit I have ever heard.

Both Propaganda lie at some point, but I am willing to trust Mumia, A cop killer yes, then a pig.

While I think that most cops are fine at doing there job, they are still doing there job.


Also Publius: Are you one of the Liberitarians who belive in the ablolishion of police because they are part of the goverment?

/,,/
Rock on!

Rage
18th May 2005, 14:59
Honstly, Do you think if a white man did this he would be on death row? Hell Michal Peterson who brutly murdered his wife, is only on a life sentence. Who says he can't get off on parol?

Now lets look at Army Sergeant Hasan Akbar. He killed 2 and injured 14 fellow soliders, and he is proably NOT getting the death sentence. HE WAS IN THE ARMY ! HE should be persucuited twice as hard as anyothers! Mumia killed 1. A cop yes, and he killed him because he felt he was in danger.

While akbar also felt he was in danger, they were not hitting his brother.



/,,/
Rock on!

t_wolves_fan
18th May 2005, 15:03
Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2005, 01:45 PM



I am pretty sure that they don't use electric chairs anymore...

Yeah, they use lethal injection now, so it's more humane. Much more humane than the way Mumia shot the police officer.



Both Propaganda lie at some point, but I am willing to trust Mumia, A cop killer yes, then a pig.

While I think that most cops are fine at doing there job, they are still doing there job.

It's not surprising that someone who doesn't understand the proper use of the word "there" trusts a cop killer more than a cop.

Sad, but not surprising.

Rage
18th May 2005, 15:07
Originally posted by t_wolves_fan+May 18 2005, 02:03 PM--> (t_wolves_fan @ May 18 2005, 02:03 PM)
[email protected] 18 2005, 01:45 PM



I am pretty sure that they don't use electric chairs anymore...

Yeah, they use lethal injection now, so it's more humane. Much more humane than the way Mumia shot the police officer.



Both Propaganda lie at some point, but I am willing to trust Mumia, A cop killer yes, then a pig.

While I think that most cops are fine at doing there job, they are still doing there job.

It's not surprising that someone who doesn't understand the proper use of the word "there" trusts a cop killer more than a cop.

Sad, but not surprising. [/b]
Are you suggesting that Mumia should have pulled out a needle and just stabbed the guy in the arm?



It was a typo. How can you stereotype that someone who makes typos (stupid I am presuming) is the kind of person who would support a cop killer? He is a cop killer. He is also a great journalist, and someone who is wrongly on death row. I would not support someone just because they killed a cop.


/,,/
Rock on!

Invader Zim
18th May 2005, 15:08
I'm undecided, it seams to me that Mumia was guily. However, I think there are a lot of unanswered questions about the case. The only person who really knows I suppose is Mumia, and we will never know if he is telling the truth.

t_wolves_fan
18th May 2005, 18:40
Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2005, 02:07 PM

Are you suggesting that Mumia should have pulled out a needle and just stabbed the guy in the arm?



It was a typo. How can you stereotype that someone who makes typos (stupid I am presuming) is the kind of person who would support a cop killer? He is a cop killer. He is also a great journalist, and someone who is wrongly on death row. I would not support someone just because they killed a cop.


/,,/
Rock on!
I'm suggesting he should have just followed the law.

He killed a cop, he belongs on death row. I don't care if it's Mother Theresa, you shoot a cop in the back for no good reason, you should die.

Rage
18th May 2005, 19:26
So if a cop came into your house saying "I am going to ass rape your mom you nigger." Then shoots your wife and makes more threats and holds a gun to your face, you would not think it would be right to shoot him?

/,,/
Rock on!

t_wolves_fan
18th May 2005, 19:58
Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2005, 06:26 PM
So if a cop came into your house saying "I am going to ass rape your mom you nigger." Then shoots your wife and makes more threats and holds a gun to your face, you would not think it would be right to shoot him?

/,,/
Rock on!
No, I'd shoot him.

Too bad nothing similar applied to Mumia.

Rage
18th May 2005, 20:03
He had a reason, to protect his brother. Even if he had no reason do you think he should be on death row?


/,,/
Rock on!

Hampton
18th May 2005, 20:06
Light the fucker up like a Christmas tree and get it over with already.

The guy is a coward and cop-killer. Zap the fucker with enough juice to light up Philadelphia.

It amazes me that people can justy post blanket statments and have nothing to back it up with. Anyone who holds this position has obviously not read anything about that night, the trial, or anything else on the matter and simply takes the side of the fanatics that favor state sponsored murder.

You are no better than the people who spout that Bush is a fascist, but at least they have some evidence to back themselves up.

This conversation has went down fast.

Publius
18th May 2005, 20:47
I read parts of it because frankly, I dont have THAT long of an attention span.

Publius, your claim of how
And honestly, as biased as she may be, Mumia is undoubtably more biased. has no backing ground.

You are looking at the widow of a police officer who wants to see somebody pay, and you have someone who's life is on the line.

I would much rather believe the man who's life is on the line.

People's who lives are on the line are often the least trustworthy.

Many people would say ANYTHING to get out of dying. If I say 'admit to this or I'm going to shoot you', you very well might confess to anything.

But the fact is, none of this at all matters, because Mumia's case has been reviewed extensively, and found sound every time by the real courts.

Publius
18th May 2005, 20:50
Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2005, 01:45 PM





That is the most bullshit I have ever heard.

Both Propaganda lie at some point, but I am willing to trust Mumia, A cop killer yes, then a pig.

While I think that most cops are fine at doing there job, they are still doing there job.


Also Publius: Are you one of the Liberitarians who belive in the ablolishion of police because they are part of the goverment?

Way to back up your assertions there.

And no, I don't believe in abolishing the police. Perhaps in hiring firms to do policing, but not abolishing them.

I generally don't have a problem with police and fire, at the community level.

Publius
18th May 2005, 20:52
Good job contradicting yourself.

But in all honesty unless you can supply your own argument and not copy and paste a mile long article. Congratulations you win the make your eyes bleed award of the day.

Well since the article wasn't mine to begin with, as you noted, I was not contradicting myself, I was contradicting the article I posted, meaning YOU are contradicting yourself.

And why write anything when all the necessary information is provided there?

If you don't care enough about the case to read a few paragraphs, why even participate in the thread?

Publius
18th May 2005, 21:11
Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2005, 06:26 PM




So if a cop came into your house saying "I am going to ass rape your mom you nigger." Then shoots your wife and makes more threats and holds a gun to your face, you would not think it would be right to shoot him?

Sure, off his ass.

But if the case is your brother is going the wrong way on a one way street, gets pulled over then punches the cop in the face, no, you don't have the right to shoot him.

Ele'ill
18th May 2005, 23:06
I don't love or hate him. How can you love or hate someone you've never met or been around for extended periods of time? Do you subscribe to teen magazines and idolize all your favorite stars?
I try not to get involved in these petty affairs. Were you one of the people outside the scott peterson trial crossing your fingers hoping for his death? That made me blush when I saw those people that caught up in it. I actually blushed.

Rage
19th May 2005, 15:25
Originally posted by Publius+May 18 2005, 08:11 PM--> (Publius @ May 18 2005, 08:11 PM)
[email protected] 18 2005, 06:26 PM




So if a cop came into your house saying "I am going to ass rape your mom you nigger." Then shoots your wife and makes more threats and holds a gun to your face, you would not think it would be right to shoot him?

Sure, off his ass.

But if the case is your brother is going the wrong way on a one way street, gets pulled over then punches the cop in the face, no, you don't have the right to shoot him. [/b]
He hit his brother in the head with a flash ligth numerious times. IMHO He was justified for killing the cop. You belive other wise, but it is his court trial that was horrible.


I don't love or hate him. How can you love or hate someone you've never met or been around for extended periods of time? Do you subscribe to teen magazines and idolize all your favorite stars?
I try not to get involved in these petty affairs. Were you one of the people outside the scott peterson trial crossing your fingers hoping for his death? That made me blush when I saw those people that caught up in it. I actually blushed.


Well most people I know either hate him, like Pulius, or they want to set him free.
I also did not really watch the Scott Peterson trial, and did not care what his fate would be.


/,,/
Rock on!

Monky
24th May 2005, 17:55
The cop hit him after he was punched in the face. You're just setting a double standard that it's okay for someone to hit a cop but not for the cop to retaliate. The cop could have charged the brother with assault.

Why don't you care about the Petterson trial..it's the same. Is it because he's white and you can't act like its a racist trial?


Honstly, Do you think if a white man did this he would be on death row? Hell Michal Peterson who brutly murdered his wife, is only on a life sentence. Who says he can't get off on parol?

Now lets look at Army Sergeant Hasan Akbar. He killed 2 and injured 14 fellow soliders, and he is proably NOT getting the death sentence. HE WAS IN THE ARMY ! HE should be persucuited twice as hard as anyothers! Mumia killed 1. A cop yes, and he killed him because he felt he was in danger.

While akbar also felt he was in danger, they were not hitting his brother.

This makes no sense...Hasan Akbar is not white, he is also a black man. Akbar got a lower sentance because he's not all there in the head. Thinking you're going to get killed and seeing your brother get hit do not equate to the same thing. Nor does the second allow you to shoot someone.