Justice.

[Spoonman]

I am sure that this has been a topic that has been up for discussion many times and if it annoys you I apologize. I'm new here and would love to talk about what your perception of justice really is. What defines a just act?

Firstly, I do not believe that anyone ever chooses to follow the evil path. People always have what they percieve to be good intentions in what they do but remember everyone see's the world in a different way. One thing that a person does that seems good in his or her own perception can appear bad to the majority but because he or she didn't see their act as wrong, is it just to punish them? Sometimes yes and sometimes no depending on who your asking. Because of this is it right that a person can choose the just way of dealing with another person when their perceptions of the world are completely different? If no then can true justice even exist?

[Nirvus System]

This goes along with a book/collection of articles I am writting on utopia.

How can we, in a diverse society, really determine what is an ideal solution, cause, punishment, anything really?

Firstly, I would like to make it know that people are able to choose the 'evil path'. People are aware that their actions are wrong is many cases. You will find many murders that knew killing the person was the wrong course of action - its if they care which is the issue.

Justice must really be determined by which ever party is ruling at the time. It is the laws and concequences which determine which is right or wrong. Some countries believe open execution is a just solution to theft, which in a county like Canada or the US, it isn't. But who really can tell them they are wrong?

I have my own view on justice based on what I think are important, disruptive or deviant issues. The Government of Canada, which I live under has different views on many of these principles but neither of us are right or wrong.

There is only so much you can do with an issue like justice. True, undeniable global justice really can't exist. With over 6 billion people existing with their own working minds, it is impossible. That doesn't mean there aren't more ideal or progressive justice practices - but expecting everyone, everywhere to believe it is a hard go.

What could be done and has been attempted, it is have the world governments take on a common aggreance of justice. The United Nations and other such groups have attempted this in the past and it is obvious it doesn't always work. For the most part, it is just putting the paper out there and then crossing you fingers and hoping for the best.

[DoomedOne]

I sort of like the way jsutice is handled here, though it needs to be thrown out and redone completely.

I think justice are two things, and two things only:

Making the criminal understand the fullest what he has done

Making the victims directly or indirectly feel a balance.

With that idea in mind, seperation between right and wrong is unneeded. What it breaks down into is fairness. Forget a criminal understanding or rehabilitating. Fairness and rehabilitation don't go together. Throwing someone in a prison does the opposite.

[LSD]

Justice must really be determined by which ever party is ruling at the time.

Clearly justice is determined by the ruling class, but why "must" it be so?

Shouldn't justice be determined by the people subject to it?


Some countries believe open execution is a just solution to theft, which in a county like Canada or the US, it isn't. But who really can tell them they are wrong?

I can!

So can you, so can anyone who gives a damn about anything.

If you believe that someone is doing something wrong, tell them! Don't assume that they have the "right" to do it unless you can come up with a damn good reason why they do.

Murder in support of property is an abomination and you should never be afraid to say so.


There is only so much you can do with an issue like justice. True, undeniable global justice really can't exist.

Again, I disagree.

I don't think that "global justice" is achievable in the immediate future, but I do think that it is achievable.

Certainly that's what communism is all about!

[Dwarf Kirlston]

I dont believe in justice... I dont believe in right and wrong, good and evil, God and Satan, Order and Anarchy.

I found the "Justice vs Power" debate between Chomsky and Foucalt enlightening.
I don't know where that places me on the left or on the right or on nowhere at all.

[Patchy]

Although official justice is determined by the ruling class, I prefer to believe in a more personal justice. If I see some kid being picked on, and I know that the kid is picked on a lot, and probably did very little to deserve that, I'll step in. That is a fine example of justice to me.

I almost became a member of the RCMP just so that I could help people out, justice. And then I realised something. I would have to follow through on every single law of Canada, serving justice to Canada. I don't agree with most of these laws, such as marijuana laws, curfews, and house parties, to name a few. It would be my job to enforce all of this, no questions asked.

No way. So now I want to learn how to be a paramedic, a firefighter, and maybe a social worked. More useful things that are directly related to people. Handing out traffic tickets isn't justice. Tripping a thief who just jacked an old ladies purse is justice. And if he's poor, giving him a twenty, and telling him to move along.

Justice is what you make of it.