Report Illegal Aliens

[DarkAngel]

[I posted this here, because I'd like both sides to express their opinion]

Today I was watching the news when I ran into a story about a website called Report Illegal Aliens (http://www.reportIllegals.com). I can't beleive this shit. I though this fucking country would atleast uphold what it was based on. Immigrants are now being reported and deported. This website says they are not hard working, they just work for less. I don't know why, this just really pissed me off. Its just a bunch of white men, trying to get rid of all minority...

[hamperleft]

I agree with you, people are complaining that Immigrants from Mexico, Cuba, and of other nationalities, are taking our jobs, this is partially true, but in a way not, they are taking American Jobs, but mostly they are the kinds of jobs that normals Americans(the kind who are complaining about the immigration problem) wouldn't take, they are the jobs in fields, and construction that most Americans would not take, the problem is the exportation of jobs by our own business, Companies like Dell are favoring cheaper, yet just as efficient labor, and are exporting our jobs overseas, to India, and other countries. The problem is not people coming in and taking our jobs(which we wouldn’t do anyway, want to work in a strawberry field picking through spiked weeds all day?) The problem is the exportation of our jobs by major corporation
Also I slightly agree that Immigration is a problem, but not on the level that most see it. A majority of the people immigrating to the united states Illegally are deep in poverty and are coming here to try to earn a livening and send money back home to their starving families, so that they can live. Instead they find low paying, torturous jobs(not always) that can barley support them alone. In my opinion, instead of Reporting them and sending illegal immigrants back to their home countries, we should instead, try to get them a job, where they can actually make enough money to survive and help their families, if there are no jobs available, we can send them back, but at least try to improve there lives in their own country so they are not forced to come to the U.S. to provide for their family.

[MKS]

We should give the Southwestern United States back to Mexico, including California and Texas, its only fair. Also any and all Mexicans should be allowed to emigrate to the US.

Open the borders!
Unite the Americas!
Destory the Anglo monopoly!

[Publius]

I agree, immigration should be opened up.

[Rage]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2005, 08:36 PM
I agree, immigration should be opened up.
x2

America is the "Land of the Free". Free to leave it, but not free to come here.

Hell not even free to leave it for Cuba :cuba:


/,,/
Rock on!

[Publius]

x2

America is the "Land of the Free". Free to leave it, but not free to come here.

Hell not even free to leave it for Cuba :cuba:


/,,/
Rock on!

Don't bring up Cuba, America's immigration laws may be mismanaged and bad, but they're nothing like the constructed malfeance of Cuba.

[Rage]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2005, 08:44 PM

x2

America is the "Land of the Free". Free to leave it, but not free to come here.

Hell not even free to leave it for Cuba :cuba:


/,,/
Rock on!

Don't bring up Cuba, America's immigration laws may be mismanaged and bad, but they're nothing like the constructed malfeance of Cuba.
:lol:


At least you admit America's immigration laws are stupid.

/,,/
Rock on!

[Publius]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2005, 08:52 PM





At least you admit America's immigration laws are stupid.

/,,/
Rock on!

They are.

Perhaps your mingling with non-communists is limited, but libertarians such as myself propose open immigration.

There's nothing at all funny about it.

[Rage]

I was a libertarian, but then I relized about how many people die and suffer in a system like that. But in communism everyone is liveing in a lower standard but still out of poverty. I am pretty much an Anarchist but (sadly) I don't like to associate myself with Anarchists because all of the Anarchists in my Area do stupid thigns like attack corporations and private property. Not goverment things. I am reading some of Mao's things and I like it. Maybe I will be a Maoist. But I will proably change my mind in 3 days. :D


/,,/
Rock on!

[Publius]

I was a libertarian, but then I relized about how many people die and suffer in a system like that. But in communism everyone is liveing in a lower standard but still out of poverty. I am pretty much an Anarchist but (sadly) I don't like to associate myself with Anarchists because all of the Anarchists in my Area do stupid thigns like attack corporations and private property. Not goverment things. I am reading some of Mao's things and I like it. Maybe I will be a Maoist. But I will proably change my mind in 3 days. :D


/,,/
Rock on!

A Maoist huh?

That's really shooting high, better get to work reporting people to Red Guard and starving farmers.

[Rage]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2005, 09:06 PM

I was a libertarian, but then I relized about how many people die and suffer in a system like that. But in communism everyone is liveing in a lower standard but still out of poverty. I am pretty much an Anarchist but (sadly) I don't like to associate myself with Anarchists because all of the Anarchists in my Area do stupid thigns like attack corporations and private property. Not goverment things. I am reading some of Mao's things and I like it. Maybe I will be a Maoist. But I will proably change my mind in 3 days. :D


/,,/
Rock on!

A Maoist huh?

That's really shooting high, better get to work reporting people to Red Guard and starving farmers.
That is :)

Lets try to stay on topic though. Keep talking about how stupid american Immagration laws are.


/,,/
Rock on!

[Publius]

I have a better idea.

Let's talk about Mumia.

Tell me why he should be let out.

[Rage]

If you want to derail the topic sure.



Edit: If you have ever read his book, read the last section, It give the facts of his case.
I am one of his supporters who admits he killed Danial Faukner.

Give me a minuite while I go find the book. IT has a great quote in it.

Edit 2: "For there to be equivalence, the death penalty would have to punish a criminal who had warned his victom of the date at whcih he would inflict a horrible death on him and who, from that moment onward, had confined him at his mercy for months. Such a monster is not encountered in private life" - Albert Camus Reflections on the Guillotinen Resistance, Rebellion and Death.

Mumia Abu-Jamal was in a car with his brother. He was pulled over by cop Danial Faulkner who had no warrent to pull him over. Faulkner harrased Mumias brother who in returen punched him in the face. Faulkner then got out a Flashlight and beat Mumias brother over the head more then five times. Mumia ran out of the car pulled a gun out, because he felt a threat to himself. Faulkner saw the gun aimed at him and fired. The shot hit Mumia in the shoulder. Mumia fired back hitting the cop 4 times in the back. Then once in the head. He was in so much pain he just sat there on the curb until the cops showed up and arrested him.

At his trial Mumia was allocated only $150 pretrial for defense. He faced a judge who had put the most people to death row in all history of American. over 50% of those people were Black. The cops had also bribed some of the witnesses in favor of Faulkner. Mumia was sentanced to Death Row where he has been for over 15 years. He killed one person in his defence. Surely as a Libritaria you would agree that he should not have the death pennilty.



/,,/
Rock on!

[Publius]

If you want to derail the topic sure.



Edit: If you have ever read his book, read the last section, It give the facts of his case.
I am one of his supporters who admits he killed Danial Faukner.

Give me a minuite while I go find the book. IT has a great quote in it.


/,,/

Immigration policy is boring, arguing against Mumia supporters is always fun.

And you say Mumia's book is a good source?

Just like Himmler's autobiography would be a great place to study the Holocaust, right?

[Rage]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2005, 09:27 PM

If you want to derail the topic sure.



Edit: If you have ever read his book, read the last section, It give the facts of his case.
I am one of his supporters who admits he killed Danial Faukner.

Give me a minuite while I go find the book. IT has a great quote in it.


/,,/

Immigration policy is boring, arguing against Mumia supporters is always fun.

And you say Mumia's book is a good source?

Just like Himmler's autobiography would be a great place to study the Holocaust, right?
I was getting a quote from his book. I have also read Danial Faulkners website. They leave out a lot of facts, which Mumias web site does also but I think that this man should not be put on death row.

Edit: Get back on topic I dont want to discuss Mumia in this thread. I will make a new one.


/,,/
Rock on!

[Publius]

Alright, back on topic, the U.S. immigration policy is inherently bad because the flow of immigrants benefits everyone in the long run.

I support open immigration, as long as a background check is consented to.

No running accross the fence, we'll shoot you for that, but instant immigration to those that enter legally, as would be made available.

[truthaddict11]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2005, 10:20 PM
We should give the Southwestern United States back to Mexico, including California and Texas, its only fair. Also any and all Mexicans should be allowed to emigrate to the US.

Open the borders!
Unite the Americas!
Destory the Anglo monopoly!
how is it fair or even plausible to give a very large part of our country back? Do you think the average mexican citizen give a damn that they lost the land 150 years ago? I suppose you also support giving back all the land to the indians too?
Also having an open border policy would be suicidal to the United States, border security is a matter of NATIONAL SECURITY. That was one of the reasons behind the Minute Man Project. If people from Mexico or Canada want to come here to work or visit, they need to do it the legal way by appling for Visas. I dont know how wanting to have a safe country means anglo monopoly

[Urban Rubble]

truthaddict, are you actually in favor of "The Minutemen Project"?

[bed_of_nails]

Originally posted by truthaddict11+May 17 2005, 11:05 PM--> (truthaddict11 @ May 17 2005, 11:05 PM)
[email protected] 16 2005, 10:20 PM
We should give the Southwestern United States back to Mexico, including California and Texas, its only fair. Also any and all Mexicans should be allowed to emigrate to the US.

Open the borders!
Unite the Americas!
Destory the Anglo monopoly!
how is it fair or even plausible to give a very large part of our country back? Do you think the average mexican citizen give a damn that they lost the land 150 years ago? I suppose you also support giving back all the land to the indians too?
Also having an open border policy would be suicidal to the United States, border security is a matter of NATIONAL SECURITY. That was one of the reasons behind the Minute Man Project. If people from Mexico or Canada want to come here to work or visit, they need to do it the legal way by appling for Visas. I dont know how wanting to have a safe country means anglo monopoly [/b]
:lol:

Surely you jest, correct?

You may forget this, but those terrorists from 9-11 you so despise entered the country legally.

[Publius]

how is it fair or even plausible to give a very large part of our country back? Do you think the average mexican citizen give a damn that they lost the land 150 years ago? I suppose you also support giving back all the land to the indians too?
Also having an open border policy would be suicidal to the United States, border security is a matter of NATIONAL SECURITY. That was one of the reasons behind the Minute Man Project. If people from Mexico or Canada want to come here to work or visit, they need to do it the legal way by appling for Visas. I dont know how wanting to have a safe country means anglo monopoly

Slow down here.

Isn't the best way to help national security to get background checks on people entering the country? Isn't the best way to do this force/allow them to immigrate legally?

And why would terrorists come accross the border when they can simply fly in?

America isn't as safe as you think.

[bed_of_nails]

And why would terrorists come accross the border when they can simply fly in?

:lol: I forgive you for your stupidity.

[Publius]

I forgive you for your stupidity.

Right...

[Guerrilla22]

Do you think the average mexican citizen give a damn that they lost the land 150 years ago?

Actually they do, which is why Mexico still officially claims Texas, Nevada, California, Arizona, New Mexico, Utah and Colorado as part of their national territory.

National security? How do Mexican immigrants coming over to earn money for their families pose a threat to national security? The 9-11 hijackers all came over from EUROPE, like your ancestors did, on student visas. Besides if so-called terrorist wanted to enter the US they would do by crossing the Canadian boarder, because it is essentielly unguarded and the terrain isn't as hostile, making it easier to cross.

[bed_of_nails]

Guerilla22 has a good point.

If terrorists (Its funny that America hates them so much when the country condones Terrorism) decide to come across a border, they are heading for Canada.

NOBODY stands at the Canadian boarder with an assault rifle waiting to shoot down an illegal immigrant.

[hamperleft]

your right, the Canadian American border isn't very heavily guarded, so it would be easy for anyone to sneak in, the problem is getting into Canada itself, they have security as well, and won't allow any one just to walk into their country

[DarkAngel]

hmm Is there more security on the Mexican border then the Canadian?

[Exploited Class]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2005, 03:31 PM
hmm Is there more security on the Mexican border then the Canadian?
Yes but mostly because of the drug wars.

It all comes down to american mesh of politics/profit incentive merged with government.

Use really easy scare tactics like, "Stealing our jobs", "Taking your place in college", "spanish will be the official language" and then once you work the crowd up in a frenzy and pass a bill that will do nothing to stem the problem you are talking about (because nobody really wants to end illegal immigrants, capitalist economy thrives off of slave labor or the closes thing to it (you can't export the trees that need to be picked for their fruit like you can labor), the bill puts a lot of money into the hands of companies) and then if anybody opposes the bill or voted against it, it makes for easy attacks on them during election. "Senator Danworth voted to have your children learn spanish and force your husband to work for 50 cents an hour. He wants us to pay for the healthcare of people who aren't even suppose to be here, making it harder for you to get proper healthcare."

The samething for drug wars, anybody opposing the funding of a war against drugs is a long haired hippy hooked on cocaine and wanting your 14 year old daughter to prostitute herself out to pay for her crack habit.

It isn't a coincidence that the richest nation on the planet borders one of the poorest. They fucking love undocumented workers in this country.

[truthaddict11]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2005, 06:29 PM

You may forget this, but those terrorists from 9-11 you so despise entered the country legally.
yes I am aware of that but there are reports that Al-Qaeda agents have had plans to enter the country illegally through Mexico possibly through smuggling rings. This does pose a threat to national security, I hope Bush does not wait until another attack to really address this problem. And as I said in my first post I dont mind people comming to america to work, but it needs to be done legally.
And yes Urban Rubble I do support the Minute Man Project.

[OleMarxco]

Truthaddict...arr! You...I'' give you one advice, and it is piss the fuck off from here and anywhere NEAR this! Your name is a despute on this place, polluting ....infesting....making me SICK! Just piss off! Your "growing up" from a leftist to a capitalistic libertarian is TOTAL BULLSHIT, you have betrayed your ideals man, weak mongrel who don't stand by principals! :che:

[bed_of_nails]

Originally posted by truthaddict11+May 19 2005, 11:11 PM--> (truthaddict11 @ May 19 2005, 11:11 PM)
[email protected] 17 2005, 06:29 PM

You may forget this, but those terrorists from 9-11 you so despise entered the country legally.
yes I am aware of that but there are reports that Al-Qaeda agents have had plans to enter the country illegally through Mexico possibly through smuggling rings. This does pose a threat to national security, I hope Bush does not wait until another attack to really address this problem. And as I said in my first post I dont mind people comming to america to work, but it needs to be done legally.
And yes Urban Rubble I do support the Minute Man Project. [/b]
You mean Bush has been getting reports like he was about WMD's in Iraq?

Or how there were links to terrorist organizations in Iraq?

I forgot, we're supposed to think the goal always was to liberate the people.

[Phalanx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2005, 11:11 PM
And yes Urban Rubble I do support the Minute Man Project.
Yes, leave it up to a cappie to support an utterly racist and reactionary "organization" such as the Minute man project.

[truthaddict11]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2005, 06:25 PM
Truthaddict...arr! You...I'' give you one advice, and it is piss the fuck off from here and anywhere NEAR this! Your name is a despute on this place, polluting ....infesting....making me SICK! Just piss off! Your "growing up" from a leftist to a capitalistic libertarian is TOTAL BULLSHIT, you have betrayed your ideals man, weak mongrel who don't stand by principals! :che:
lol i changed for the better, I'm no longer the angry little leftist like the kinds on this site. I actually feel better about myself and the world. i dont know what you mean by me betraying my "principles", communism was just a rebellious phase for me, I have grown up. and your threat to make me leave is a joke! :lol:

[Urban Rubble]

lol i changed for the better, I'm no longer the angry little leftist like the kinds on this site. I actually feel better about myself and the world. i dont know what you mean by me betraying my "principles", communism was just a rebellious phase for me, I have grown up. and your threat to make me leave is a joke!

Man, I honestly don't really care what you believe as far as politics. I have plenty of friends whose politics I despise (or lack of politics in most cases). I can even understand changing your beliefs (the debate about what a collossal failure unrestricted capitlism was can be had some other time). What I can't understand is how you keep repeating that you've "grown up". Seems a bit of an insult to all the people you called friends on this board (as much as you can be friends through the internet of course). I agree with you about angry little wackjobs like OleMarxCo, they bother me too, but you know that there are plenty of rational people here. And please don't act as if you're somehow above everyone because you've gone to the other side. You aren't more mature, you haven't "grown up" anymore than many of the rest of us, you've just changed your ideals, please be aware of that condescending tone before it gets out of hand.

Otherwise, I hope you keep posting when you can. I'm not the type to hate a guy for his politics (within reason of course), but I do tend to get pissed at being called a child because I find faults with Capitalism.


Truthaddict...arr! You...I'' give you one advice, and it is piss the fuck off from here and anywhere NEAR this! Your name is a despute on this place, polluting ....infesting....making me SICK! Just piss off! Your "growing up" from a leftist to a capitalistic libertarian is TOTAL BULLSHIT, you have betrayed your ideals man, weak mongrel who don't stand by principals!

Will you please just shut up? We're all very impressed with how angry and badass you are, please lay off the steroids.

Edit: Also, truthaddict, even though I pride myself on being a rational and fairly peaceful guy, I really wouldn't mind if a few of those bored yuppie cowboys calling themselves the Minutemen get shot out in that desert. Don't you see how completely ridiculous that shit is? Do you think those guys are really out there trying to stop Osama Bin Laden and his friends from sneaking in? A bunch of beer drinkin' good ole boys armed with shotguns out hunting for Mexicans in the desert, sounds like a good idea to me. Don't you see how that situation has the potential to go very wrong very quick? At least border patrol is accountable!

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Cm'n there are so many reports. There were reports stating that Iraq had WMD's, reports that linked Al'Qaida with Saddam Hussain, that Al'Qaida bought nuclear arms in Africa, reports of Kerry being gay. These mysterious classified reports mean nothing.

The Minute Man Project has nothing to do with Al'Qaida, rather with the local workingclass being pissed that the upperclass hires cheaper illegal laborers. Which in all, is a very valid capitalist action.


lol i changed for the better, I'm no longer the angry little leftist like the kinds on this site. I actually feel better about myself and the world. i dont know what you mean by me betraying my "principles", communism was just a rebellious phase for me, I have grown up. and your threat to make me leave is a joke! laugh.gif

What UR said. Plus what does this indicate? That you are "peacefull" vs us being "angry"? Yet, I am not the paranoid one, seeking a "terrorist" in every corner. Launching full hate against all suspects. Accepting and fully supporting the very "evils" that you claim to fight against. With all this fighting of terrorists, one should take a deep breath and wonder what exactly is a terrorist?

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by truthaddict11+May 20 2005, 01:54 AM--> (truthaddict11 @ May 20 2005, 01:54 AM)
[email protected] 19 2005, 06:25 PM
Truthaddict...arr! You...I'' give you one advice, and it is piss the fuck off from here and anywhere NEAR this! Your name is a despute on this place, polluting ....infesting....making me SICK! Just piss off! Your "growing up" from a leftist to a capitalistic libertarian is TOTAL BULLSHIT, you have betrayed your ideals man, weak mongrel who don't stand by principals! :che:
lol i changed for the better, I'm no longer the angry little leftist like the kinds on this site. I actually feel better about myself and the world. i dont know what you mean by me betraying my "principles", communism was just a rebellious phase for me, I have grown up. and your threat to make me leave is a joke! :lol: [/b]
You talk about 'growing up' and imply that we on the other hand have not. Yet, which of us is a 'libertarian' troll on a radical leftwing forum.

Sorry sunshine, but if you think you've matured, then you are sadly mistaken.

[DarkAngel]

Anybody care to explain the Minute Man Project? ?

[bed_of_nails]

The Minute Man Project is a bunch of Nationalistic Americans who decided they need to keep Mexican immigrants out of America, so they have armed themselves and wandered down to the Arizona border with a cooler full of beer and a few of their buddies.

They think they are helping stop terrorism.

[DarkAngel]

Wow so its basically another form of entertaiment for them...

[RedAnarchist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2005, 02:40 AM
They think they are helping stop terrorism.
They may think that, but i would be very surprised if they didnt also think they could get to kill a few people too. These rednecks live for gun violence and hatred of others who are different. To them, it is just a game where they get to use guns.

[ahhh_money_is_comfort]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2005, 08:36 PM
I agree, immigration should be opened up.
I agree. The USA should maximize the number of immigrants this country can absorb, then ACCEPT NO MORE.

To maximize immigration then accept MORE is disaster.

Immigration should also be controlled with the maxium amount of immgrants. The control should extend to WHO gets in. We should import people who will not be a burden to the rest of us. It is simple common sense. Working hard is not enough. The strenth of the US economy does not come from hard workers. It comes from hard workers who are SMART. The rest of the world out-do's the USA in the abilility to field cheap amounts of labor. The USA can not beat this if it is labor vs labor. It must be labor vs SMART labor. To simply open immigration to hard workers is sucide. It must be open the smart and hard workers.

[ahhh_money_is_comfort]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2005, 02:40 AM
The Minute Man Project is a bunch of Nationalistic Americans who decided they need to keep Mexican immigrants out of America, so they have armed themselves and wandered down to the Arizona border with a cooler full of beer and a few of their buddies.

They think they are helping stop terrorism.
Hmmmm. No.

It is a bunch of people who live on the border scared for thier lives.

It is a bunch of people who 20 years ago left water and food on the porch for migrants.

It is a bunch of people who are getting shot at by border crossers with automatic weapons.

It is two groups of people. One group of ex-military and special forces patorling the border. The second group in support whose mission is to find, seek, report, then run and hide.

[ahhh_money_is_comfort]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2005, 11:42 PM

And why would terrorists come accross the border when they can simply fly in?

:lol: I forgive you for your stupidity.
Yes.

Terrorist enter the country on student visas.

So why would they cross the border?

[ahhh_money_is_comfort]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2005, 01:58 AM

Do you think the average mexican citizen give a damn that they lost the land 150 years ago?

Actually they do, which is why Mexico still officially claims Texas, Nevada, California, Arizona, New Mexico, Utah and Colorado as part of their national territory.

National security? How do Mexican immigrants coming over to earn money for their families pose a threat to national security? The 9-11 hijackers all came over from EUROPE, like your ancestors did, on student visas. Besides if so-called terrorist wanted to enter the US they would do by crossing the Canadian boarder, because it is essentielly unguarded and the terrain isn't as hostile, making it easier to cross.
Because the USA economy is based on SMART, PRODUCTIVE, and EFFICIENT workers. The rest of the world beats the USA in being able to field tons of hard workers. The USA survives by having hard workers and SMART workers. Importation of cheap labor does not help, to compeat with the rest of the world the US needs SMART workers, not the kind to walk across the border, but most likely the ones to apply for a visa and fly in. Cheap labor uneducated labor is a direct threat to US economy and national security. The US economy and national security is the same thing.

[bed_of_nails]

Originally posted by ahhh_money_is_comfort+May 22 2005, 02:12 AM--> (ahhh_money_is_comfort @ May 22 2005, 02:12 AM)
[email protected] 17 2005, 11:42 PM

And why would terrorists come accross the border when they can simply fly in?

:lol: I forgive you for your stupidity.
Yes.

Terrorist enter the country on student visas.

So why would they cross the border? [/b]
You obviously dont see the irony/humor in the American connection between terrorists and airplanes.

[ahhh_money_is_comfort]

Originally posted by bed_of_nails+May 22 2005, 02:16 AM--> (bed_of_nails @ May 22 2005, 02:16 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2005, 02:12 AM

[email protected] 17 2005, 11:42 PM

And why would terrorists come accross the border when they can simply fly in?

:lol: I forgive you for your stupidity.
Yes.

Terrorist enter the country on student visas.

So why would they cross the border?
You obviously dont see the irony/humor in the American connection between terrorists and airplanes. [/b]
One more thing.

I have met with those farmers who were shot at on the rifle range. I have met them taking target practice and instruction from professionals because they were scared for thier lives. They are so scared they carry weapons to the pick up truck in the morning. They are so scared they make sure no one is hiding behind a bush when they walk out the door for fear of getting shot. They are scared because the nearest law enforcement is 20 miles away. They are scared to leave thier pregnant wife at home while they work out on the ranch. They are scared that bullet hole will come through the window from a sniper while they drive the pick up truck.

[bed_of_nails]

Originally posted by ahhh_money_is_comfort+May 22 2005, 02:40 AM--> (ahhh_money_is_comfort @ May 22 2005, 02:40 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2005, 02:16 AM

Originally posted by ah[email protected] 22 2005, 02:12 AM

[email protected] 17 2005, 11:42 PM

And why would terrorists come accross the border when they can simply fly in?

:lol: I forgive you for your stupidity.
Yes.

Terrorist enter the country on student visas.

So why would they cross the border?
You obviously dont see the irony/humor in the American connection between terrorists and airplanes.
One more thing.

I have met with those farmers who were shot at on the rifle range. I have met them taking target practice and instruction from professionals because they were scared for thier lives. They are so scared they carry weapons to the pick up truck in the morning. They are so scared they make sure no one is hiding behind a bush when they walk out the door for fear of getting shot. They are scared because the nearest law enforcement is 20 miles away. They are scared to leave thier pregnant wife at home while they work out on the ranch. They are scared that bullet hole will come through the window from a sniper while they drive the pick up truck. [/b]
A sniper?

Wow, now they are dealing with professional assassins!

Time to call in...

[ahhh_money_is_comfort]

Originally posted by bed_of_nails+May 22 2005, 02:46 AM--> (bed_of_nails @ May 22 2005, 02:46 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2005, 02:40 AM

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2005, 02:16 AM

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2005, 02:12 AM

[email protected] 17 2005, 11:42 PM

And why would terrorists come accross the border when they can simply fly in?

:lol: I forgive you for your stupidity.
Yes.

Terrorist enter the country on student visas.

So why would they cross the border?
You obviously dont see the irony/humor in the American connection between terrorists and airplanes.
One more thing.

I have met with those farmers who were shot at on the rifle range. I have met them taking target practice and instruction from professionals because they were scared for thier lives. They are so scared they carry weapons to the pick up truck in the morning. They are so scared they make sure no one is hiding behind a bush when they walk out the door for fear of getting shot. They are scared because the nearest law enforcement is 20 miles away. They are scared to leave thier pregnant wife at home while they work out on the ranch. They are scared that bullet hole will come through the window from a sniper while they drive the pick up truck.
A sniper?

Wow, now they are dealing with professional assassins!

Time to call in... [/b]
No.

They are dealing with border crossers with a total disregard for human life and access to automatic weapons. The same automatic weapons that drug dealers and smugglers have. The same smugglers that use poor border crossers to carry thier drugs. The smugglers who look upon farmers and thier houses as places to shack up and rest when thier plans go wrong. Smugglers who will not think twice to kill a rancher because they are too much trouble to deal with alive while they have to rest and get something to eat. That is why even the POOR border crossers must be stopped. They are carrying drugs for the smugglers. The immigrants we want entering this country are educated and enter this country via United Airlines and they are not carrying drugs for smugglers.

You think you know your right from your smug response. The reality is your wrong.

[bed_of_nails]

Originally posted by ahhh_money_is_comfort+May 22 2005, 03:54 AM--> (ahhh_money_is_comfort @ May 22 2005, 03:54 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2005, 02:46 AM

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2005, 02:40 AM

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2005, 02:16 AM

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2005, 02:12 AM

[email protected] 17 2005, 11:42 PM

And why would terrorists come accross the border when they can simply fly in?

:lol: I forgive you for your stupidity.
Yes.

Terrorist enter the country on student visas.

So why would they cross the border?
You obviously dont see the irony/humor in the American connection between terrorists and airplanes.
One more thing.

I have met with those farmers who were shot at on the rifle range. I have met them taking target practice and instruction from professionals because they were scared for thier lives. They are so scared they carry weapons to the pick up truck in the morning. They are so scared they make sure no one is hiding behind a bush when they walk out the door for fear of getting shot. They are scared because the nearest law enforcement is 20 miles away. They are scared to leave thier pregnant wife at home while they work out on the ranch. They are scared that bullet hole will come through the window from a sniper while they drive the pick up truck.
A sniper?

Wow, now they are dealing with professional assassins!

Time to call in...
No.

They are dealing with border crossers with a total disregard for human life and access to automatic weapons. The same automatic weapons that drug dealers and smugglers have. The same smugglers that use poor border crossers to carry thier drugs. The smugglers who look upon farmers and thier houses as places to shack up and rest when thier plans go wrong. Smugglers who will not think twice to kill a rancher because they are too much trouble to deal with alive while they have to rest and get something to eat. That is why even the POOR border crossers must be stopped. They are carrying drugs for the smugglers. The immigrants we want entering this country are educated and enter this country via United Airlines and they are not carrying drugs for smugglers.

You think you know your right from your smug response. The reality is your wrong. [/b]
So you mean I am obviously wrong because though in the newspapers I read about huge drug busts (and small ones), I never hear about immigrants being loaded with drugs?

You could tell me Bigfoot is a drug lord in Nebraska with that logic.

[ahhh_money_is_comfort]

Originally posted by bed_of_nails+May 24 2005, 01:16 AM--> (bed_of_nails @ May 24 2005, 01:16 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2005, 03:54 AM

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2005, 02:46 AM

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2005, 02:40 AM

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2005, 02:16 AM

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2005, 02:12 AM

[email protected] 17 2005, 11:42 PM

And why would terrorists come accross the border when they can simply fly in?

:lol: I forgive you for your stupidity.
Yes.

Terrorist enter the country on student visas.

So why would they cross the border?
You obviously dont see the irony/humor in the American connection between terrorists and airplanes.
One more thing.

I have met with those farmers who were shot at on the rifle range. I have met them taking target practice and instruction from professionals because they were scared for thier lives. They are so scared they carry weapons to the pick up truck in the morning. They are so scared they make sure no one is hiding behind a bush when they walk out the door for fear of getting shot. They are scared because the nearest law enforcement is 20 miles away. They are scared to leave thier pregnant wife at home while they work out on the ranch. They are scared that bullet hole will come through the window from a sniper while they drive the pick up truck.
A sniper?

Wow, now they are dealing with professional assassins!

Time to call in...
No.

They are dealing with border crossers with a total disregard for human life and access to automatic weapons. The same automatic weapons that drug dealers and smugglers have. The same smugglers that use poor border crossers to carry thier drugs. The smugglers who look upon farmers and thier houses as places to shack up and rest when thier plans go wrong. Smugglers who will not think twice to kill a rancher because they are too much trouble to deal with alive while they have to rest and get something to eat. That is why even the POOR border crossers must be stopped. They are carrying drugs for the smugglers. The immigrants we want entering this country are educated and enter this country via United Airlines and they are not carrying drugs for smugglers.

You think you know your right from your smug response. The reality is your wrong.
So you mean I am obviously wrong because though in the newspapers I read about huge drug busts (and small ones), I never hear about immigrants being loaded with drugs?

You could tell me Bigfoot is a drug lord in Nebraska with that logic. [/b]
No.

That is your logic and not mine.

They are called 'donkies' and they are carrying drugs on foot for smugglers and coyoties. The deal is a poor migrant pays a coyote several hundered dollars to be directed across the border. In exchange he gets a guide and transport at a pick up location, but he has to carry drugs for the coyote. It is a win win situation for both of them.

That is why even the poor border corssers must be stopped.

How do I know? Because until last November, I LIVED THERE.

Your also not going to see pictures of bullet holes from machinegun battles from the leftist newspapers. I have not seen the bullet holes, but I have met the ranchers who are so scared they they are buying MACHINEGUNS for protection after they have been shot at by machineguns. These are the same ranchers who in previous generations left food and water on the porch. Now they are buying machineguns.

[bed_of_nails]

Originally posted by ahhh_money_is_comfort+May 24 2005, 01:32 AM--> (ahhh_money_is_comfort @ May 24 2005, 01:32 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 01:16 AM

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2005, 03:54 AM

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2005, 02:46 AM

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2005, 02:40 AM

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2005, 02:16 AM

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2005, 02:12 AM

[email protected] 17 2005, 11:42 PM

And why would terrorists come accross the border when they can simply fly in?

:lol: I forgive you for your stupidity.
Yes.

Terrorist enter the country on student visas.

So why would they cross the border?
You obviously dont see the irony/humor in the American connection between terrorists and airplanes.
One more thing.

I have met with those farmers who were shot at on the rifle range. I have met them taking target practice and instruction from professionals because they were scared for thier lives. They are so scared they carry weapons to the pick up truck in the morning. They are so scared they make sure no one is hiding behind a bush when they walk out the door for fear of getting shot. They are scared because the nearest law enforcement is 20 miles away. They are scared to leave thier pregnant wife at home while they work out on the ranch. They are scared that bullet hole will come through the window from a sniper while they drive the pick up truck.
A sniper?

Wow, now they are dealing with professional assassins!

Time to call in...
No.

They are dealing with border crossers with a total disregard for human life and access to automatic weapons. The same automatic weapons that drug dealers and smugglers have. The same smugglers that use poor border crossers to carry thier drugs. The smugglers who look upon farmers and thier houses as places to shack up and rest when thier plans go wrong. Smugglers who will not think twice to kill a rancher because they are too much trouble to deal with alive while they have to rest and get something to eat. That is why even the POOR border crossers must be stopped. They are carrying drugs for the smugglers. The immigrants we want entering this country are educated and enter this country via United Airlines and they are not carrying drugs for smugglers.

You think you know your right from your smug response. The reality is your wrong.
So you mean I am obviously wrong because though in the newspapers I read about huge drug busts (and small ones), I never hear about immigrants being loaded with drugs?

You could tell me Bigfoot is a drug lord in Nebraska with that logic.
No.

That is your logic and not mine.

They are called 'donkies' and they are carrying drugs on foot for smugglers and coyoties. The deal is a poor migrant pays a coyote several hundered dollars to be directed across the border. In exchange he gets a guide and transport at a pick up location, but he has to carry drugs for the coyote. It is a win win situation for both of them.

That is why even the poor border corssers must be stopped.

How do I know? Because until last November, I LIVED THERE.

Your also not going to see pictures of bullet holes from machinegun battles from the leftist newspapers. I have not seen the bullet holes, but I have met the ranchers who are so scared they they are buying MACHINEGUNS for protection after they have been shot at by machineguns. These are the same ranchers who in previous generations left food and water on the porch. Now they are buying machineguns. [/b]
Of course its my logic. I am the one telling you these people never are specifically reported, BUT THEY ARE THERE I GARUNTEE YOU!

Of course the media is leftist. I mean look at how they ripped into John Kerry so much more than Bush. It was some nefarious quasi-leftist scheme!

Edit: Oh, and I live by the border also =)

[ahhh_money_is_comfort]

Originally posted by bed_of_nails+May 24 2005, 01:49 AM--> (bed_of_nails @ May 24 2005, 01:49 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 01:32 AM

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 01:16 AM

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2005, 03:54 AM

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2005, 02:46 AM

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2005, 02:40 AM

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2005, 02:16 AM

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2005, 02:12 AM

[email protected] 17 2005, 11:42 PM

And why would terrorists come accross the border when they can simply fly in?

:lol: I forgive you for your stupidity.
Yes.

Terrorist enter the country on student visas.

So why would they cross the border?
You obviously dont see the irony/humor in the American connection between terrorists and airplanes.
One more thing.

I have met with those farmers who were shot at on the rifle range. I have met them taking target practice and instruction from professionals because they were scared for thier lives. They are so scared they carry weapons to the pick up truck in the morning. They are so scared they make sure no one is hiding behind a bush when they walk out the door for fear of getting shot. They are scared because the nearest law enforcement is 20 miles away. They are scared to leave thier pregnant wife at home while they work out on the ranch. They are scared that bullet hole will come through the window from a sniper while they drive the pick up truck.
A sniper?

Wow, now they are dealing with professional assassins!

Time to call in...
No.

They are dealing with border crossers with a total disregard for human life and access to automatic weapons. The same automatic weapons that drug dealers and smugglers have. The same smugglers that use poor border crossers to carry thier drugs. The smugglers who look upon farmers and thier houses as places to shack up and rest when thier plans go wrong. Smugglers who will not think twice to kill a rancher because they are too much trouble to deal with alive while they have to rest and get something to eat. That is why even the POOR border crossers must be stopped. They are carrying drugs for the smugglers. The immigrants we want entering this country are educated and enter this country via United Airlines and they are not carrying drugs for smugglers.

You think you know your right from your smug response. The reality is your wrong.
So you mean I am obviously wrong because though in the newspapers I read about huge drug busts (and small ones), I never hear about immigrants being loaded with drugs?

You could tell me Bigfoot is a drug lord in Nebraska with that logic.
No.

That is your logic and not mine.

They are called 'donkies' and they are carrying drugs on foot for smugglers and coyoties. The deal is a poor migrant pays a coyote several hundered dollars to be directed across the border. In exchange he gets a guide and transport at a pick up location, but he has to carry drugs for the coyote. It is a win win situation for both of them.

That is why even the poor border corssers must be stopped.

How do I know? Because until last November, I LIVED THERE.

Your also not going to see pictures of bullet holes from machinegun battles from the leftist newspapers. I have not seen the bullet holes, but I have met the ranchers who are so scared they they are buying MACHINEGUNS for protection after they have been shot at by machineguns. These are the same ranchers who in previous generations left food and water on the porch. Now they are buying machineguns.
Of course its my logic. I am the one telling you these people never are specifically reported, BUT THEY ARE THERE I GARUNTEE YOU!

Of course the media is leftist. I mean look at how they ripped into John Kerry so much more than Bush. It was some nefarious quasi-leftist scheme!

Edit: Oh, and I live by the border also =) [/b]
I crossed the foot paths of border crossers every weekend, my sub division was bounded by a foot path used by border crossers and given up after it became urbanized. Suburban border areas like San Diego maybe physically close to the border, but it is not an open border area and ranch area that is crossed by donkies and coyoties.

If you lived by the border ranch areas then I don't have to tell you or inform you of what a coyote is, you should already know. Then you DO know that coyotes do smuggle drugs on foot. Then what is your beef? You know that coyotes are using poor border crossers to move drugs by foot, then what is the beef? Why don't you want to stop them?

[bed_of_nails]

Originally posted by ahhh_money_is_comfort+May 24 2005, 02:03 AM--> (ahhh_money_is_comfort @ May 24 2005, 02:03 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 01:49 AM

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 01:32 AM

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 01:16 AM

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2005, 03:54 AM

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2005, 02:46 AM

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2005, 02:40 AM

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2005, 02:16 AM

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2005, 02:12 AM

[email protected] 17 2005, 11:42 PM

And why would terrorists come accross the border when they can simply fly in?

:lol: I forgive you for your stupidity.
Yes.

Terrorist enter the country on student visas.

So why would they cross the border?
You obviously dont see the irony/humor in the American connection between terrorists and airplanes.
One more thing.

I have met with those farmers who were shot at on the rifle range. I have met them taking target practice and instruction from professionals because they were scared for thier lives. They are so scared they carry weapons to the pick up truck in the morning. They are so scared they make sure no one is hiding behind a bush when they walk out the door for fear of getting shot. They are scared because the nearest law enforcement is 20 miles away. They are scared to leave thier pregnant wife at home while they work out on the ranch. They are scared that bullet hole will come through the window from a sniper while they drive the pick up truck.
A sniper?

Wow, now they are dealing with professional assassins!

Time to call in...
No.

They are dealing with border crossers with a total disregard for human life and access to automatic weapons. The same automatic weapons that drug dealers and smugglers have. The same smugglers that use poor border crossers to carry thier drugs. The smugglers who look upon farmers and thier houses as places to shack up and rest when thier plans go wrong. Smugglers who will not think twice to kill a rancher because they are too much trouble to deal with alive while they have to rest and get something to eat. That is why even the POOR border crossers must be stopped. They are carrying drugs for the smugglers. The immigrants we want entering this country are educated and enter this country via United Airlines and they are not carrying drugs for smugglers.

You think you know your right from your smug response. The reality is your wrong.
So you mean I am obviously wrong because though in the newspapers I read about huge drug busts (and small ones), I never hear about immigrants being loaded with drugs?

You could tell me Bigfoot is a drug lord in Nebraska with that logic.
No.

That is your logic and not mine.

They are called 'donkies' and they are carrying drugs on foot for smugglers and coyoties. The deal is a poor migrant pays a coyote several hundered dollars to be directed across the border. In exchange he gets a guide and transport at a pick up location, but he has to carry drugs for the coyote. It is a win win situation for both of them.

That is why even the poor border corssers must be stopped.

How do I know? Because until last November, I LIVED THERE.

Your also not going to see pictures of bullet holes from machinegun battles from the leftist newspapers. I have not seen the bullet holes, but I have met the ranchers who are so scared they they are buying MACHINEGUNS for protection after they have been shot at by machineguns. These are the same ranchers who in previous generations left food and water on the porch. Now they are buying machineguns.
Of course its my logic. I am the one telling you these people never are specifically reported, BUT THEY ARE THERE I GARUNTEE YOU!

Of course the media is leftist. I mean look at how they ripped into John Kerry so much more than Bush. It was some nefarious quasi-leftist scheme!

Edit: Oh, and I live by the border also =)
I crossed the foot paths of border crossers every weekend, my sub division was bounded by a foot path used by border crossers and given up after it became urbanized. Suburban border areas like San Diego maybe physically close to the border, but it is not an open border area and ranch area that is crossed by donkies and coyoties. [/b]
And the attempt at refuting my other arguments is where?

[ahhh_money_is_comfort]

I can not believe how narrow minded you are. You claim to live right on the border and these problems are right in your lap and you can not see them? Then of course it makes sense, you would have to be really narrow minded to be able to stick you head in the sand so easily and not see experience drug carrying border crossers. You must have had family or friends experience drug traffic if you live on the border. My experience was so common it was a way of life.

So your right because it does not happen?

Ridiculus it does happen. You right because scared ranchers I have met imagined the bullets? Thier fear was all just 'mental'.

I am sorry but I can not introduce you to the scared ranchers and thier families. I don't have video and audio tape of ranchers shooting the breeze while on lunch break. I am sorry I didn't have a reporter to interview the guy next to me with his family taking target practice. I'm sorry I didn't have Associated Press with me when my border patrol buddy meets me at a dance and relys that he busted another semi truck with drugs AND border crossers.

[bed_of_nails]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 02:34 AM
I can not believe how narrow minded you are. You claim to live right on the border and these problems are right in your lap and you can not see them? Then of course it makes sense, you would have to be really narrow minded to be able to stick you head in the sand so easily and not see experience drug carrying border crossers. You must have had family or friends experience drug traffic if you live on the border. My experience was so common it was a way of life.

So your right because it does not happen?

Ridiculus it does happen. You right because scared ranchers I have met imagined the bullets? Thier fear was all just 'mental'.

I am sorry but I can not introduce you to the scared ranchers and thier families. I don't have video and audio tape of ranchers shooting the breeze while on lunch break. I am sorry I didn't have a reporter to interview the guy next to me with his family taking target practice. I'm sorry I didn't have Associated Press with me when my border patrol buddy meets me at a dance and relys that he busted another semi truck with drugs AND border crossers.
Thats alright, I forgive you. :) :wub:

[ahhh_money_is_comfort]

Originally posted by bed_of_nails+May 24 2005, 02:42 AM--> (bed_of_nails @ May 24 2005, 02:42 AM)
[email protected] 24 2005, 02:34 AM
I can not believe how narrow minded you are. You claim to live right on the border and these problems are right in your lap and you can not see them? Then of course it makes sense, you would have to be really narrow minded to be able to stick you head in the sand so easily and not see experience drug carrying border crossers. You must have had family or friends experience drug traffic if you live on the border. My experience was so common it was a way of life.

So your right because it does not happen?

Ridiculus it does happen. You right because scared ranchers I have met imagined the bullets? Thier fear was all just 'mental'.

I am sorry but I can not introduce you to the scared ranchers and thier families. I don't have video and audio tape of ranchers shooting the breeze while on lunch break. I am sorry I didn't have a reporter to interview the guy next to me with his family taking target practice. I'm sorry I didn't have Associated Press with me when my border patrol buddy meets me at a dance and relys that he busted another semi truck with drugs AND border crossers.
Thats alright, I forgive you. :) :wub: [/b]
Then I'm right and your wrong.

Coyoties do use poor migrations to carry drugs.

That is why the poor migrants must be stopped.

Besides the expert opinion of this Customs Agent is:

"Creativity aside, the vast majority of trafficking cases still consist of throwing as many people, cars and backpacks at the border as possible, said Morgan" - http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/border/54190.php

That means throwing as many people on foot with backpacks full of drugs into the border regions.

I don't know why you don't know this? This is such a fact of life in border areas that basically anyone who lives here or has lived here knows it to be true. That is why I don't understand why you don't know this. It is not just hearsay from someone who head it from someone who heard it from someone who heard it from someone. It is meeting that orginal person who WAS THERE at the drug bust. It is meeting the rancher who WAS THERE getting shot by machineguns. It is meeting the person who WAS THERE getting ambushed. I lived on the border and we all knew that person, so I don't understand why you don't know this.

[bed_of_nails]

Originally posted by ahhh_money_is_comfort+May 24 2005, 02:56 AM--> (ahhh_money_is_comfort @ May 24 2005, 02:56 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 02:42 AM

[email protected] 24 2005, 02:34 AM
I can not believe how narrow minded you are. You claim to live right on the border and these problems are right in your lap and you can not see them? Then of course it makes sense, you would have to be really narrow minded to be able to stick you head in the sand so easily and not see experience drug carrying border crossers. You must have had family or friends experience drug traffic if you live on the border. My experience was so common it was a way of life.

So your right because it does not happen?

Ridiculus it does happen. You right because scared ranchers I have met imagined the bullets? Thier fear was all just 'mental'.

I am sorry but I can not introduce you to the scared ranchers and thier families. I don't have video and audio tape of ranchers shooting the breeze while on lunch break. I am sorry I didn't have a reporter to interview the guy next to me with his family taking target practice. I'm sorry I didn't have Associated Press with me when my border patrol buddy meets me at a dance and relys that he busted another semi truck with drugs AND border crossers.
Thats alright, I forgive you. :) :wub:
Then I'm right and your wrong.

Coyoties do use poor migrations to carry drugs.

That is why the poor migrants must be stopped.

Besides the expert opinion of this Customs Agent is:

"Creativity aside, the vast majority of trafficking cases still consist of throwing as many people, cars and backpacks at the border as possible, said Morgan" - http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/border/54190.php

That means throwing as many people on foot with backpacks full of drugs into the border regions.

I don't know why you don't know this? This is such a fact of life in border areas that basically anyone who lives here or has lived here knows it to be true. That is why I don't understand why you don't know this. It is not just hearsay from someone who head it from someone who heard it from someone who heard it from someone. It is meeting that orginal person who WAS THERE at the drug bust. It is meeting the rancher who WAS THERE getting shot by machineguns. It is meeting the person who WAS THERE getting ambushed. I lived on the border and we all knew that person, so I don't understand why you don't know this. [/b]
Because the region I moved to Arizona from makes this place look like a god-damned tea party.

You complain about getting shot at by immigrants when people got stabbed in my school quite frequently. Weapons on campus were no suprise to anyone really.

I dont believe you because you dont seem credible EVER.

You could be making everything up, and because you have no specific documented evidence about illegal immigrants carrying loads of drugs, I will not believe that is the huge reason.

You cannot have a war on a damned noun. (Drugs)

[ahhh_money_is_comfort]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 03:10 AM

I dont believe you because you dont seem credible EVER.

You could be making everything up, and because you have no specific documented evidence about illegal immigrants carrying loads of drugs, I will not believe that is the huge reason.

No documentation?

Why don't you click on this: http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/border/54190.php

What does this mean to you?

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Creativity aside, the vast majority of trafficking cases still consist of throwing as many people, cars and backpacks at the border as possible

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

To me it means migrants carry drugs across the border in backpacks.

Plus what does the violence and guns that you expiernce OUTSIDE of Arizona have anythng to do with problems that ranchers have?

What does your experience OUTSIDE of Arizona have to do with being an expert on drug smuggling in the border regions? Your seriously confused.

[truthaddict11]

Originally posted by Urban [email protected] 19 2005, 08:17 PM
What I can't understand is how you keep repeating that you've "grown up". Seems a bit of an insult to all the people you called friends on this board
repeating? I have made ONE POST saying it! and its in my profile, hardly repeating

[ahhh_money_is_comfort]

Originally posted by ahhh_money_is_comfort+May 24 2005, 05:50 AM--> (ahhh_money_is_comfort @ May 24 2005, 05:50 AM)
[email protected] 24 2005, 03:10 AM

I dont believe you because you dont seem credible EVER.

You could be making everything up, and because you have no specific documented evidence about illegal immigrants carrying loads of drugs, I will not believe that is the huge reason.

No documentation?

Why don't you click on this: http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/border/54190.php

What does this mean to you?

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Creativity aside, the vast majority of trafficking cases still consist of throwing as many people, cars and backpacks at the border as possible

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

To me it means migrants carry drugs across the border in backpacks.

Plus what does the violence and guns that you expiernce OUTSIDE of Arizona have anythng to do with problems that ranchers have?

What does your experience OUTSIDE of Arizona have to do with being an expert on drug smuggling in the border regions? Your seriously confused. [/b]
Hey you still with me on this one? Can I be credible now?

Frankly I don't understand how you can not know about drug smuggling methods across the Arizona border. It is such a fact of life that everyone knows about it? Can you please explain? I'm curious.

[bed_of_nails]

Originally posted by ahhh_money_is_comfort+May 29 2005, 01:16 AM--> (ahhh_money_is_comfort @ May 29 2005, 01:16 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 05:50 AM

[email protected] 24 2005, 03:10 AM

I dont believe you because you dont seem credible EVER.

You could be making everything up, and because you have no specific documented evidence about illegal immigrants carrying loads of drugs, I will not believe that is the huge reason.

No documentation?

Why don't you click on this: http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/border/54190.php

What does this mean to you?

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Creativity aside, the vast majority of trafficking cases still consist of throwing as many people, cars and backpacks at the border as possible

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

To me it means migrants carry drugs across the border in backpacks.

Plus what does the violence and guns that you expiernce OUTSIDE of Arizona have anythng to do with problems that ranchers have?

What does your experience OUTSIDE of Arizona have to do with being an expert on drug smuggling in the border regions? Your seriously confused.
Hey you still with me on this one? Can I be credible now?

Frankly I don't understand how you can not know about drug smuggling methods across the Arizona border. It is such a fact of life that everyone knows about it? Can you please explain? I'm curious. [/b]
My point is that I dont necessarily believe everything that I hear on the news. Fabrication seems to be a common source with the media, especially FOX news.

[ahhh_money_is_comfort]

Originally posted by bed_of_nails+May 29 2005, 02:29 AM--> (bed_of_nails @ May 29 2005, 02:29 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 01:16 AM

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 05:50 AM

[email protected] 24 2005, 03:10 AM

I dont believe you because you dont seem credible EVER.

You could be making everything up, and because you have no specific documented evidence about illegal immigrants carrying loads of drugs, I will not believe that is the huge reason.

No documentation?

Why don't you click on this: http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/border/54190.php

What does this mean to you?

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Creativity aside, the vast majority of trafficking cases still consist of throwing as many people, cars and backpacks at the border as possible

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

To me it means migrants carry drugs across the border in backpacks.

Plus what does the violence and guns that you expiernce OUTSIDE of Arizona have anythng to do with problems that ranchers have?

What does your experience OUTSIDE of Arizona have to do with being an expert on drug smuggling in the border regions? Your seriously confused.
Hey you still with me on this one? Can I be credible now?

Frankly I don't understand how you can not know about drug smuggling methods across the Arizona border. It is such a fact of life that everyone knows about it? Can you please explain? I'm curious.
My point is that I dont necessarily believe everything that I hear on the news. Fabrication seems to be a common source with the media, especially FOX news. [/b]
I'm not quoting FOX news. The link is Arizona Daily Star. I don't get Arionza Daily Star anymore, but I still keep up on thier website. Plus I'm not asking you to believe the news or me, geeez. It is such a fact of life in Arizona they everyone knows about it, why don't you? Live in Arizona long enough you will know ranchers, border patrol, police, or anyone involved or touched by smuggling. So I don't understand how you don't know about migrants carrying drugs for coyotes across the border. It has been happening since almost the begging of time.

[Colombia]

Well this is just something I recently wrote when I was bored on the subject of illegal immigration.

Lately, corporate media has turn to the supposed danger of illegal immigration. Republicans such as Bill O' Reilly has even called upon our government to even build a wall! It dissapoints me how our leaders want to deal with in every way except the right way. Many readers may call me bias for my views seeing that I am Hispanic but I ask only for you to see the legitimacy of my argument.
First off, let us look at the hypocrosy of many people who dislike the growing Hispanic population. Here in the North, many Italians and Irishmen hold this viewpoint. What hypocrites! Were they not once immigrants as well? How can you oppose immigration when your ancestors were one? Sure, one can argue that unlike most immigrants these days, they came here legally. If you were to compare what it took to become a US citizen in the past compared to the present, you would see it is nearly impossible to become an American citizen these days. To deny these people the right to become a citizen is selfish on so many levels.
Now let us look on the fact that Hispanics are taking jobs away from your average American. When someone says that to me, I laugh and ask them one thing. Who is hiring them? American bosses are! Seriously, you all be staring us down when your enemy is standing adjacent. By deporting them, who are working harder than most Americans do anyway, you attack the problem but don't kill it. If these people were seriously concerned, ( and simply weren't biased against Hispanics) they would go after the bosses who are hiring Hispanics for less than minimun wage. This is called class exploitation.
Minutemen. How I despise them. These people are just vigilantes. No I'm sorry, they are criminals. They make up these lies about how terrorists can easily cross the border but that is rubbish. US intelligence is too well organized these days to let someone like that just slip into the country and trust me, I would know. These minutemen just don't want more Hispanics in there neighborhoods because they are bias. I wonder how many Hispanics have disappeared in their hands. The fact that the US government has taken little action against the minutemen shows that they don't really mind what they are doing.
I know someone will ask me this so I will answer this now. What would I do? Nothing at all. For Hispanics this is not a win-win situation so I will stay neutral (although in all honesty lending in the side of allowing all Hispanics in). I will not support any minutemen, border wall, or whatnot. I will support how they have been dealing with the issue however.
These people don't intend on making average Americans lifes difficult. They just want a better standard of living. The fact that they usually work below minimun wage, in sweatshops for excrutiating hours should show America that. I can only hope that an issue benefiting the workers will soon come into affect.

[ahhh_money_is_comfort]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 05:54 AM
Well this is just something I recently wrote when I was bored on the subject of illegal immigration.

Lately, corporate media has turn to the supposed danger of illegal immigration. Republicans such as Bill O' Reilly has even called upon our government to even build a wall! It dissapoints me how our leaders want to deal with in every way except the right way. Many readers may call me bias for my views seeing that I am Hispanic but I ask only for you to see the legitimacy of my argument.
First off, let us look at the hypocrosy of many people who dislike the growing Hispanic population. Here in the North, many Italians and Irishmen hold this viewpoint. What hypocrites! Were they not once immigrants as well? How can you oppose immigration when your ancestors were one? Sure, one can argue that unlike most immigrants these days, they came here legally. If you were to compare what it took to become a US citizen in the past compared to the present, you would see it is nearly impossible to become an American citizen these days. To deny these people the right to become a citizen is selfish on so many levels.
Now let us look on the fact that Hispanics are taking jobs away from your average American. When someone says that to me, I laugh and ask them one thing. Who is hiring them? American bosses are! Seriously, you all be staring us down when your enemy is standing adjacent. By deporting them, who are working harder than most Americans do anyway, you attack the problem but don't kill it. If these people were seriously concerned, ( and simply weren't biased against Hispanics) they would go after the bosses who are hiring Hispanics for less than minimun wage. This is called class exploitation.
Minutemen. How I despise them. These people are just vigilantes. No I'm sorry, they are criminals. They make up these lies about how terrorists can easily cross the border but that is rubbish. US intelligence is too well organized these days to let someone like that just slip into the country and trust me, I would know. These minutemen just don't want more Hispanics in there neighborhoods because they are bias. I wonder how many Hispanics have disappeared in their hands. The fact that the US government has taken little action against the minutemen shows that they don't really mind what they are doing.
I know someone will ask me this so I will answer this now. What would I do? Nothing at all. For Hispanics this is not a win-win situation so I will stay neutral (although in all honesty lending in the side of allowing all Hispanics in). I will not support any minutemen, border wall, or whatnot. I will support how they have been dealing with the issue however.
These people don't intend on making average Americans lifes difficult. They just want a better standard of living. The fact that they usually work below minimun wage, in sweatshops for excrutiating hours should show America that. I can only hope that an issue benefiting the workers will soon come into affect.
Nope.

How about this? Close the border down tight? Stop all the illegal immigration. Then lets go to Mexico and STEAL thier doctors, teachers, scientist, and skilled labor. I am all up for 100% open immigration for all the Mexicans who can make this country more competitive and agressive. This country survives by working smart, hard, and efficient. Hard work is not enough. The rest of the world can beat the USA in fielding hard workers. It is hands down we will loose. That is why we need doctors, teachers, and scientist. Bring them all on, hell, we should even give money to attract them to come over here. I'm all for that, total, open, and even aggresive immigration for doctors, teachers, and scientist. Lets bring them all in.

[bed_of_nails]

Originally posted by ahhh_money_is_comfort+May 29 2005, 09:15 AM--> (ahhh_money_is_comfort @ May 29 2005, 09:15 AM)
[email protected] 29 2005, 05:54 AM
Well this is just something I recently wrote when I was bored on the subject of illegal immigration.

Lately, corporate media has turn to the supposed danger of illegal immigration. Republicans such as Bill O' Reilly has even called upon our government to even build a wall! It dissapoints me how our leaders want to deal with in every way except the right way. Many readers may call me bias for my views seeing that I am Hispanic but I ask only for you to see the legitimacy of my argument.
First off, let us look at the hypocrosy of many people who dislike the growing Hispanic population. Here in the North, many Italians and Irishmen hold this viewpoint. What hypocrites! Were they not once immigrants as well? How can you oppose immigration when your ancestors were one? Sure, one can argue that unlike most immigrants these days, they came here legally. If you were to compare what it took to become a US citizen in the past compared to the present, you would see it is nearly impossible to become an American citizen these days. To deny these people the right to become a citizen is selfish on so many levels.
Now let us look on the fact that Hispanics are taking jobs away from your average American. When someone says that to me, I laugh and ask them one thing. Who is hiring them? American bosses are! Seriously, you all be staring us down when your enemy is standing adjacent. By deporting them, who are working harder than most Americans do anyway, you attack the problem but don't kill it. If these people were seriously concerned, ( and simply weren't biased against Hispanics) they would go after the bosses who are hiring Hispanics for less than minimun wage. This is called class exploitation.
Minutemen. How I despise them. These people are just vigilantes. No I'm sorry, they are criminals. They make up these lies about how terrorists can easily cross the border but that is rubbish. US intelligence is too well organized these days to let someone like that just slip into the country and trust me, I would know. These minutemen just don't want more Hispanics in there neighborhoods because they are bias. I wonder how many Hispanics have disappeared in their hands. The fact that the US government has taken little action against the minutemen shows that they don't really mind what they are doing.
I know someone will ask me this so I will answer this now. What would I do? Nothing at all. For Hispanics this is not a win-win situation so I will stay neutral (although in all honesty lending in the side of allowing all Hispanics in). I will not support any minutemen, border wall, or whatnot. I will support how they have been dealing with the issue however.
These people don't intend on making average Americans lifes difficult. They just want a better standard of living. The fact that they usually work below minimun wage, in sweatshops for excrutiating hours should show America that. I can only hope that an issue benefiting the workers will soon come into affect.
Nope.

How about this? Close the border down tight? Stop all the illegal immigration. Then lets go to Mexico and STEAL thier doctors, teachers, scientist, and skilled labor. I am all up for 100% open immigration for all the Mexicans who can make this country more competitive and agressive. This country survives by working smart, hard, and efficient. Hard work is not enough. The rest of the world can beat the USA in fielding hard workers. It is hands down we will loose. That is why we need doctors, teachers, and scientist. Bring them all on, hell, we should even give money to attract them to come over here. I'm all for that, total, open, and even aggresive immigration for doctors, teachers, and scientist. Lets bring them all in. [/b]
I find that post rather amusing, because it is admitting that Americans are become lazy and stupid.

That is classic American behavior. "We cant do this, so why dont you come over and do it for us?"

[ahhh_money_is_comfort]

Originally posted by bed_of_nails+May 29 2005, 07:39 PM--> (bed_of_nails @ May 29 2005, 07:39 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 09:15 AM

[email protected] 29 2005, 05:54 AM
Well this is just something I recently wrote when I was bored on the subject of illegal immigration.

Lately, corporate media has turn to the supposed danger of illegal immigration. Republicans such as Bill O' Reilly has even called upon our government to even build a wall! It dissapoints me how our leaders want to deal with in every way except the right way. Many readers may call me bias for my views seeing that I am Hispanic but I ask only for you to see the legitimacy of my argument.
First off, let us look at the hypocrosy of many people who dislike the growing Hispanic population. Here in the North, many Italians and Irishmen hold this viewpoint. What hypocrites! Were they not once immigrants as well? How can you oppose immigration when your ancestors were one? Sure, one can argue that unlike most immigrants these days, they came here legally. If you were to compare what it took to become a US citizen in the past compared to the present, you would see it is nearly impossible to become an American citizen these days. To deny these people the right to become a citizen is selfish on so many levels.
Now let us look on the fact that Hispanics are taking jobs away from your average American. When someone says that to me, I laugh and ask them one thing. Who is hiring them? American bosses are! Seriously, you all be staring us down when your enemy is standing adjacent. By deporting them, who are working harder than most Americans do anyway, you attack the problem but don't kill it. If these people were seriously concerned, ( and simply weren't biased against Hispanics) they would go after the bosses who are hiring Hispanics for less than minimun wage. This is called class exploitation.
Minutemen. How I despise them. These people are just vigilantes. No I'm sorry, they are criminals. They make up these lies about how terrorists can easily cross the border but that is rubbish. US intelligence is too well organized these days to let someone like that just slip into the country and trust me, I would know. These minutemen just don't want more Hispanics in there neighborhoods because they are bias. I wonder how many Hispanics have disappeared in their hands. The fact that the US government has taken little action against the minutemen shows that they don't really mind what they are doing.
I know someone will ask me this so I will answer this now. What would I do? Nothing at all. For Hispanics this is not a win-win situation so I will stay neutral (although in all honesty lending in the side of allowing all Hispanics in). I will not support any minutemen, border wall, or whatnot. I will support how they have been dealing with the issue however.
These people don't intend on making average Americans lifes difficult. They just want a better standard of living. The fact that they usually work below minimun wage, in sweatshops for excrutiating hours should show America that. I can only hope that an issue benefiting the workers will soon come into affect.
Nope.

How about this? Close the border down tight? Stop all the illegal immigration. Then lets go to Mexico and STEAL thier doctors, teachers, scientist, and skilled labor. I am all up for 100% open immigration for all the Mexicans who can make this country more competitive and agressive. This country survives by working smart, hard, and efficient. Hard work is not enough. The rest of the world can beat the USA in fielding hard workers. It is hands down we will loose. That is why we need doctors, teachers, and scientist. Bring them all on, hell, we should even give money to attract them to come over here. I'm all for that, total, open, and even aggresive immigration for doctors, teachers, and scientist. Lets bring them all in.
I find that post rather amusing, because it is admitting that Americans are become lazy and stupid.

That is classic American behavior. "We cant do this, so why dont you come over and do it for us?" [/b]
No.

That is not what I said. I was very specfic that I said EXACTLY the opposite of what you posted.

This country does not survive by working hard. It survives by working hard, smart, and efficient.

The rest of the world has the ability to field hard workers very CHEAP. The only way this country survives is to field hard workers who are SMART and EFFICIENT. That is why we should only allow the people we selectively filter into this country. Let them all in, only after we filter the cream of the crop from Mexico. Then if we have room for the others, then let them all in, but no more than this country can allow in without hurting ourselves. We don't have a filter if the border is not locked down.

[bed_of_nails]

That doesnt seem very kind.


This country does not survive by working hard. It survives by working hard

:lol:

[ahhh_money_is_comfort]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 09:44 PM
That doesnt seem very kind.


This country does not survive by working hard. It survives by working hard

:lol:
Why don't you qoute the rest of the text?

You just did is what slimy politicians practice as a craft. You MADE a new meaning from my text. You MADE a meaning that was not there before. You made a meaning of the text that was not there before to make your point. You USED me in a way that I don't even suscribe to your skillfull and slimy cut and paste. I think you have found your talent and calling. I think I have found the skill you should gravitate to, it is political slime, half-truth, and lies.

My full text is there for everyone to see on May 29 2005, 09:34 PM.

From your selective cut and paste you MADE a meaning of the text that was not there before.

Without out a doubt I think you are one slimy person.