an unbiased view

[new democracy]

note: this thread is mostly about the palestinian terror, but also i will say some about other armed organizations.
as much as i opposed zionism, i also oppose terrorism from the palestinians side. some of you expressed support for palestinian terror. now to all the people who support palestinian terror or other armed organizations: do you know how people in countries who suffer civil war? all of the people here who support farc or shining path(luckily most of the people here don't support them), do you know what kind of suffer the colombian people suffer because of them? i know that the right wing militias and the government are also responsible for the current situation, but the farc have lot of responsibility too. about supporting palestinian terror(which have more support here than the farc), anyone who support it know what is to suffer from it? do you live in israel? anyone know what is to be afraid to get out of the house? do you know what is like to loose your baby? i never suffered from the terror, but i know people who did. do you think it is fun to loose your love ones? when you say you support terror attacks, just say "i like to dee israeli die". next time when you say that you support terrorist attacks, think about the innocent people who dies in this attacks. now i do understand the terrorists and why do they do this and i don't support the israeli occupation, but i don't support the terrorist attacks either. and to the people who support MRTA or shining path you are disgusting. shining path and the MRTA were terrorizing the pruvian people until there fall in 1,992. i don't support fugimoro, but the guerilla were criminals too. i ma sorry if you see this thread as pointless but people who support terrorism realy make me angary.

[trebboR]

Your totally right ND, if you react on terrorism with terrorism your just as evil as the other one. The whole situation there is going nowhere. Killing innocent people isn't the solution. It's a difficult problem they got there in Isreal or Palestina or whatever you want to call it. But violence is not the answer.

[new democracy]

thank you very much trebboR. i realy hate those people who call hamas "freedom fighters".

[Frosty]

They are freedom fighters, but they use discusting means of fighting.

But i agree on your points.

[trebboR]

Offcourse they are freedom fighters, but they should fight with words not with terrorist actions. And an action always has a reaction and as long as they keep going on with terrorist actions they will get terrorist actions back.

(Edited by trebboR at 8:33 pm on Sep. 12, 2002)

[Pinko]

Quote: from trebboR on 7:31 pm on Sep. 12, 2002
Offcourse they are freedom fighters, but they should fight with words not with terrorist actions. And an action always has a reaction and as long as they keep going on with terrorist actions they will get terrorist actions back.


I whole heartedly agree. But what do you do when words fail? What do you do when nobody listens? What do you do when peaceful protest is met with guns and violence?
I have never condoned terrorist acts, but I do ask the question: What do they do instead?
Would the Northern Ireland peace process (flawed as it is) have happened if the IRA were not killing people in mainland England for twenty years? I am not sure it would.
Peacefull protest has to be listened to, if not then these people will have nowhere else to turn and will resort to the tactics of terror. When protesters are met with tear-gas and batton charges (or in some cases bullets) what else is there left to try? People need to take notice of issues before people start getting killed, it is as simple as that. But as long as the causes of the just are being ignored, terrorists will arise.

In response to new democracy's initial post, I don't know what it is like to live in such conditions (I grew up in a rural area), but I know an awfull lot of people that did. People I know grew up looking under every car they got into and checking doors for tampering because their father was in the British military. I know someone who saw his father killed in a car bomb attack, I know someone who was injured in the Omagh bombing, in know someone whose mother was working in the Hotel that was destroyed by an IRA bomb targetting the delegates at the conservative party conference.

[trebboR]

Your right Pinko, it's really hard to not act with weapons if people not listen to your words and your protest is met with guns. It's very difficult. I think all socialist know that when someone slaps you in the face, you should be the wise one and walk away but that's hard and sometime, because of the the way it is, you can't just walk away. It's always hard to solve a problem if it cannot be solved with words.

[Reuben]

ND is right. Regarding Pinko's post, i do understand to a great extent the feelings of Palestinians who are everyday persecuted, deprived and oppressed, and most significantly are absolutely disenfranchised to challenge elctorally or otherwise the behaviour of the occupying govenrmnet. HOWEVER I have no sympathy with the Political leaders of fundamentalist organizations such as Hamas. They have to take more responsibility. Not only are they behaving towards israeli civilians in a way which is morally unjustifiable, but by acting unilaterally in a way which effects vast numbers of other palestinians, they are absolutely underminging democracy within their own palestinian struggle.

Finally, i believe tht the peace movement in Israel needs a chancer to build in a way it cannot in the face of suicide/homicide bombs.