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RedStarOverChina
13th May 2005, 15:06
Located about 100 miles north of Shanghai in Jiangsu province, Huaxi has been described in the domestic media as both a "paradise" and a "dictatorship". While its residents are nominally richer than any other community, they have less time and freedom to spend their money. Bars and restaurants close before 10pm so that workers do not oversleep. Holidays are scarce. And villagers get little cash from their paper assets. Eighty per cent of their annual bonus and 95% of their dividend must be reinvested in the commune. If they leave the village, this paper wealth disappears.

"Our assets belong to the commune not to the individual," said Sun Hai Yan, a member of the village government. "We have a local saying that your dividend lasts only as long as you stay in the village and the factories keep running."

But with living standards improving rapidly, few people seem to mind. Sun has done particularly well. As a child he remembers only being able to eat meat once a week. Now, he treats visitors to lavish meals of globe fish at the local restaurant and lives in a new villa - decorated with Greek pillars and a marble staircase - by the edge of an artificial lake.

Pragmatism rather than ideology is the guiding principle. "No matter whether it's a new kind of ism or an old kind of ism, our aim is to make everyone rich," said Wu Renbao, the former village chief who is credited with starting the Huaxi miracle.



For the whole article see http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/st...1480145,00.html (http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,1480145,00.html)

OleMarxco
13th May 2005, 21:17
"Communism" <_<

RedStarOverChina
14th May 2005, 00:00
Pardon?

Colombia
14th May 2005, 02:54
First time I heard about this. This is definetly what China needs to be doing in other towns as well.

workersunity
14th May 2005, 02:56
pragmatism is the enemy of communism

Commie Rat
14th May 2005, 03:09
Pragmatism rather than ideology is the guiding principle. "No matter whether it&#39;s a new kind of ism or an old kind of ism, our aim is to make everyone rich," said Wu Renbao, the former village chief who is credited with starting the Huaxi miracle.


our aim is to make everyone rich,"

that sounds way to much liek a captialist goal to me

Phalanx
14th May 2005, 03:33
Ever hear of a kibbutz?

RedStarOverChina
14th May 2005, 10:41
Originally posted by Commie [email protected] 13 2005, 09:09 PM

Pragmatism rather than ideology is the guiding principle. "No matter whether it&#39;s a new kind of ism or an old kind of ism, our aim is to make everyone rich," said Wu Renbao, the former village chief who is credited with starting the Huaxi miracle.


our aim is to make everyone rich,"

that sounds way to much liek a captialist goal to me
what...? So in ur ideal society everyone should suffer from poverty? The problem with capitalism is that, it DOESNT make everyone rich. If it does then we wouldnt need communism now, would we?

RedStarOverChina
14th May 2005, 10:43
Originally posted by Chinghis [email protected] 13 2005, 09:33 PM
Ever hear of a kibbutz?
I&#39;m afraid not...what is that?

comrade_mufasa
14th May 2005, 16:46
The Huaxi system appears to resemble the imperial dynasties of old more than communism. At the top is the ruling family: Wu has been replaced as village chief by his son, Xie&#39;en, who was recently re-elected with 100% of the votes in the commune. At least half of the village&#39;s main companies are run by other children and grandchildren.

At the bottom are the 30,000 migrant workers who do most of the work in the steel mills and textile factories for less than £80 a month. "They get the same salaries as locals," said Wu. "The difference is that they don&#39;t own any capital."
And how is this communism?

Redmau5
14th May 2005, 16:55
Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2005, 09:41 AM
what...? So in ur ideal society everyone should suffer from poverty? The problem with capitalism is that, it DOESNT make everyone rich. If it does then we wouldnt need communism now, would we?
No, everyone won&#39;t suffer from poverty. At the minute i live in a decent house and my parents earn a decent income. Im not in poverty but im hardly rich either.

In communist society there should be no rich or poor, just equality

El_Revolucionario
14th May 2005, 17:00
So I assume that this "commune" still has the brutality of Chinese government? I can imagine the horrible punishment one might receive for such a petty thing as painting one&#39;s house a different color from the others, so as to violate the commune&#39;s rules of "uniformity".

RockinTheLxSxDx2
14th May 2005, 17:59
im not too knowledgable about the chinese revolution but didnt mao set up a bunch of farm communes to try and increase agricultural output called the Great Leap Foward but it failed with low production and a few years of hunger? dont get me wrong i learned this in an american text book so i dont trust it at all ..

RedStarOverChina
14th May 2005, 20:26
Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2005, 10:46 AM

The Huaxi system appears to resemble the imperial dynasties of old more than communism. At the top is the ruling family: Wu has been replaced as village chief by his son, Xie&#39;en, who was recently re-elected with 100% of the votes in the commune. At least half of the village&#39;s main companies are run by other children and grandchildren.

At the bottom are the 30,000 migrant workers who do most of the work in the steel mills and textile factories for less than £80 a month. "They get the same salaries as locals," said Wu. "The difference is that they don&#39;t own any capital."
And how is this communism?
I didnt say its communism nor did the article claim it to be...its a commune. Like the official said, they dont care what ism it is, as long as it makes everyone rich.

The commune doesnt seem to be very democratic but it will come naturally because the middle class is strong.



So I assume that this "commune" still has the brutality of Chinese government? I can imagine the horrible punishment one might receive for such a petty thing as painting one&#39;s house a different color from the others, so as to violate the commune&#39;s rules of "uniformity".


Yeah, also we eat babies and have sex with machines. <_< Where did u learn that? the Arabian Nights? Get real.


im not too knowledgable about the chinese revolution but didnt mao set up a bunch of farm communes to try and increase agricultural output called the Great Leap Foward but it failed with low production and a few years of hunger? dont get me wrong i learned this in an american text book so i dont trust it at all ..

yea. U got the facts correct, but dont trust any statistic regarding this issue.

Monty Cantsin
16th May 2005, 16:02
Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2005, 01:56 AM
pragmatism is the enemy of communism
wtf? how do you mean that statment? Pragmatism repersents a few different things.

RedAnarchist
16th May 2005, 16:13
Originally posted by RedStarOverChina+May 14 2005, 09:43 AM--> (RedStarOverChina @ May 14 2005, 09:43 AM)
Chinghis [email protected] 13 2005, 09:33 PM
Ever hear of a kibbutz?
I&#39;m afraid not...what is that? [/b]
Some sort of Jewish settlement.

Link - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibbutz

Tupac-Amaru
16th May 2005, 16:37
Yea kibbutz are lovely.

But apparently less and less people choose to stay in them.