Socialism and transitional period

[Lamanov]

I wanted to start a discussion where everyone would bring up their ideas concerning the
TRANSITIONAL PHASE TO COMMUNISM [Socialism].
Everyone is wellcome to be open, to start a discussion, bring up his "blueprint", or whatever. There is a big problem about councils, syndicates, communes, and soviets, and their role in the socialist transformation towards communism. I hope that with this discussion we could make a constructive approach to this matter.


Right now there's an idea in my head that includes syndicates [non-hierarchial - the only way I can see them function in the intrest of the workers] in the worker's democracy [dictatorship of the prol.].
- basicly - I see [industrial] trade unions [as non-hierarchial syndicates] as the electoral and controll authority of the worker's democracy, where workers are organised as a collective, and where every worker [ofcourse] participates in management, elections and controll by free democratic principles.
Within these syndicates workers choose their representatives for the [b]communes - [territorial] councils [made up of workers and their representatives] globaly connected, which have functions of: 1) economy planning and sharing management [with other elected communes], 2) coordination within their community.
Legislative and executive authority of both are only implementable through collective agreement of the workers. There is no up-down authority, and no chance of bueraucratization. Syndicates can controll each other, their communes and in opposite direction [basicly, every worker has an insight].

This is just a short, primitive, initial 'blueprint' [which doesn't have a foundation resting on a decade long research ;) ] :P . Any [scientifical and constructive :D ] critique is wellcome.

GRAPHIC (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=35534)

shoot..

[Jaha]

well, the least violent, and most appealing transition would be a proccess of enlightenment.

if there could be movements that would increase the accountability of the governments, that is the most important step. shorten term lengths, make impeachment an easier proccess. force the politicians to seek out civilian advice more often.

then movements that would make money and ownership obsolete. then ideally the highly accountable government would run the economy in the most efficient way possible. state ownership would be the simplest way to do this.

so in not so many words, evolution seems like a more successful proccess then revolution. but it all starts with a revolution of the minds. society has to want this change, or it will be too sorely rejected.



....sorry its so vague, im a big picture person.

[enigma2517]

What stops the process from stagnating? Of course we need to educate others. The revolution will be first and foremost that of ideas. But there will come time for action. Militant class struggle is really the only way to go. Seizing power by political means will be very tempormental, since it is the economic divisions that create and maintain the state, not the other way around. Failure of workers to take control of means of production for themselves (or seizing it and then giving it away to a state apperatus) will inevitably result in a return to capitalism.

Question for DJ-TC: The syndicates electing delegates (not representatives, different meanings from what I've heard) to territoral communes...how will each workplace be represented equally? Simply the number of workers in it or what?

[lvialviaquez]

I think that debating about how a Socialist government will operate is counter-productive. It seems to me that all revolutions that have been led by some kind of elite group have created dengenerated workers' states. If a certain group leads the revolution with a set blueprint of how a new government will operate, that group will eventually become corrupted and be only marginally better than the previous government. For this reason, I disagree with the major tenets of Leninism, but not Marxism.

Indeed, a true Marxist revolution would be an entirely natural, evolutionary revolution developing as the proletariat as one develops a class consciousness and throws off the schackles of the capitalist system. The said proletariat is capable of forming its own revolutionary government or lack thereof in the situation. To develop a plan of action beforehand will most likely lead to a failed revolution.

[Lamanov]

graphic LINK (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=35534)

probably proportinal to the number of syndiate's members [workers, that is]

[ErikuSz -sXe-]

Originally posted by DJ-[email protected] 18 2005, 08:06 PM
graphic LINK (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=35534)

probably proportinal to the number of syndiate's members [workers, that is]
Wow... you really did put some time in that stuff.
Good job. :)

[ErikuSz -sXe-]

A question though; how will the workers keep controll over the W.E.A. ? (Workers Elected Assembley) Because after they have been elected, they will not be workers any longer, they will be civil servants.

[Lamanov]

Originally posted by ErikuSz -sXe-@May 21 2005, 01:00 PM
A question though; how will the workers keep controll over the W.E.A. ? (Workers Elected Assembley) Because after they have been elected, they will not be workers any longer, they will be civil servants.
They are civil servants, but only for that time. Every worker must have total controll over everything this assembly does [total insight]. Civil servants are totaly responsible to the syndicate and workers that chose them, and they can be replaced by them at any time. Besides, workers themselves are armed, so they are the "law enforcer".


For the graphic: Full line means material support, while the dashed line means election and controll.

[ErikuSz -sXe-]

Originally posted by DJ-TC+May 21 2005, 06:14 PM--> (DJ-TC @ May 21 2005, 06:14 PM)
ErikuSz -sXe-@May 21 2005, 01:00 PM
A question though; how will the workers keep controll over the W.E.A. ? (Workers Elected Assembley) Because after they have been elected, they will not be workers any longer, they will be civil servants.
They are civil servants, but only for that time. Every worker must have total controll over everything this assembly does [total insight]. Civil servants are totaly responsible to the syndicate and workers that chose them, and they can be replaced by them at any time. Besides, workers themselves are armed, so they are the "law enforcer".


For the graphic: Full line means material support, while the dashed line means election and controll. [/b]
I have to say... I'm impressed.
Looks very good comrade! :hammer: