A year later

[El Che]

WHY? This was the inadmissible question right after the 11/9. Nothing could explain such horror. In the US it was(is) simply tabu. At best you could raise the rethorical question "why do they hate us so much?" without much hope of recieving an answer. With the goverment pointing the popular sentiment in the same direction: The terrorists are evil people that do irrational things. It was not necessary to understand them, only to destroy them. The evil was too great. To understand all is to forgive all, so said the wise woman. Trying to understand even an miniscule part of the causes of terrorism, was therefore, intolerable. There is only black and white, evil and good, those who are with us and those others who by default are against us.

After the inicial world wide confusion and state of shock, the Bush administration declared war against uncertain persons and third parties in unknown locations. Which is to say it declared war on the world, to be carried out when and where is convinient.
Laucched a new offensive on the liberties and constitutional rights of its own citizens and gave new life to the medival obscurantist campain that replaces the scientific explanation of the genises of humanity and the universe with the bible. The primate Darwin is banned by the ape-like Bush.

Now that the suspected possesion of weapons of mass destruction seems to be considered worse then their use, when reagan suported Iraque against Iran, the US prepares its self for another offensive on the irrational and evil part of the world.

In the end we are left with the unescapable tragedy of it all, on the hand the fanatics, their lack of respect for human life and their ignorance of a human dignity they refuse others by imposing their "views" on them, on the other hand the hypocritical, self serving, ultra-reactionary order imposed by the elite/political class. Lastly, and perhaps most tragic of all, is the failure of the people to see through their political rulers. Through them (or rather between them), they will see others just like them selves.

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(Edited by El Che at 1:28 pm on Sep. 11, 2002)

[Goldfinger]

Just 15 minutes left...

[mentalbunny]

We were holding a one minute silence with the tv on, pictures of the white house and blair at st. paul's, etc. At the end some senator was tlaking aobut the past, how the pilgrim fathers came to America and biult the country on liberty, etc.

I didn't hear anything after liberty, I walked out. There was no point in listening. America's priciples were good in the beginning but look at it now? Since this time last year nothing has changed, the world is not a better place for ANYONE! Instead of declaring war left right and centre we should be helping the people who need it most. Waar is expensive, use this money in another way, medical supplies for the third world, investigating alternative energy sources, etc.

Why, even when we experience such a tragedy as the loss of all those innocent lives, do we continue in our blind way towards destruction?

[Terminal Frost]

"War is peace, Freedom is slavery, Ignorance is strength"
-- George Orwell


Have ever those words seemed more apt?

The "war" against evil brings peace to an ignorant nation, as the masses rally round against a common enemy.

The ignorance binds them together, naively hanging on every word in sheepish collective sorrow.

The "freedom" of Capitalism is their slavery, they are slaves to an economic system of constant selfish struggle, a rat-race where man shits on his fellow man to climb the ladder to monetary "success".



This is the United States of America.

This is the United Kingdom.

This is the "free" world.

[LeonardoDaVinci]

During the minute silence I remembered the thousands who lost their lives in the US backed coup in Chile on September 11 1973. I remembered the hundreds of thousands that perished in Vietnam and Cambodia as a consequence of the indiscriminate carpet bombing of those two countries. I remembered the scores of human beings that have been tortured and murdered in Central and South America by US imposed dictators. I remembered the half a million Iraqi children that have died and countless more who have suffered as a result of UN sanctions. I remembered those who were slain in cold blood in the Sabra and Shatila refugee camp in Lebanon. I remembered the plight of the Palestinian people who have lost thousands upon thousands in search for independence. And finally, in the remaining seconds, I remembered those who lost their lives in the twin towers and their grieving families and hoped that Americans will at last spare a few moments for introspection of oneself, and consequently repudiate the intransigent unilateralism of their government and its ongoing quest for vengeance.

[mentalbunny]

This world is shit.period.

[Terminal Frost]

Optimistic...

[Socialmalfunction]

terminal frost, you forgot 2+2=5, its what they'll have us believe next. but excellent point. i agree completely and many people, if they could, would be shitting away to make it to the top.

[mentalbunny]

Quote: from sociallmalfunction on 4:46 am on Sep. 14, 2002
terminal frost, you forgot 2+2=5, its what they'll have us believe next. but excellent point. i agree completely and many people, if they could, would be shitting away to make it to the top.

I don't quite see what you're getting at. I know the world is shit, so I know I have to make it better, which is what I plan to do.

[Angie]

LeonardoDaVinci, that was amazing. Thank you. :)

[Terminal Frost]

I don't quite see what you're getting at. I know the world is shit, so I know I have to make it better, which is what I plan to do.


The point is that people in a capitalist society get rich by putting others down, by shitting on them. A businessman will pay his workers a wage that is inherently less than the value of the goods they produce, and less than the value of their time. His product will be overpriced, relying on the materialistic nature of the masses to generate revenue.

This massive profit he'll keep for himself, whereas the poor sods that do the work will be in poverty.

[Socialmalfunction]

2+2=5 because the people, in order to gain power will manipulate you until you dont know up from down 4 from 5, your hand from your foot. the worlds gone to shit.

[mentalbunny]

I've been thinking about careers. I could either live by my principles and be poor-ish, or earn loads and then use that money for the betterment of other people and obviously give some as funding for che lives, but i don't think i could do the second one as i would meet so many people that would make me sick!

[queen of diamonds]

Yes, most of the people you meet would be sickening, but people everywhere will be sickening, whichever profession you go into, there will be some of those. The question is not whether you can stand them or not, but whether the extra work you will need to put in to stand them is worth the rewards you will reap - either monetary or emotional (i.e. by using the financial gain to help others). You do what you have to do, and what you think is right.

As for the 11/9 anniversary, I loved the way they kept emphasising the word "innocent".....

(Edited by queen of diamonds at 4:00 am on Nov. 3, 2002)

[mentalbunny]

The other day I was thinking aoubt going into the film industry, probably behind the camera, I'd love ot be the next Sophia Coppola (without the bad acting at the beginning of her career!). kate Adie is also an idol of mine, hmm, so confused, we'll see. I'd like to be known. Anyway this is off topic.


As for the 11/9 anniversart, I loved the way they kept emphasising the word "innocent...


Is anyone innocent? I know I'm not, in so many ways, I know I piss people off and say things I shouldn't, but does that mean I should die? How about when I was selfish when I was too young to understand socialism, etc. You have to admit, all kids are potential capitalists, look at how they act!

I know that's not what you were getting at, and many of the poeple who would have been in the world trade center at the time would have been business men, etc, but not all, so some were innocnet, but I wish america could take it's head out it's own arse, and tony could get his outta Bush's!

[queen of diamonds]

Quote: from mentalbunny on 7:34 am on Nov. 3, 2002



As for the 11/9 anniversart, I loved the way they kept emphasising the word "innocent...


Is anyone innocent? I know I'm not, in so many ways, I know I piss people off and say things I shouldn't, but does that mean I should die? How about when I was selfish when I was too young to understand socialism, etc. You have to admit, all kids are potential capitalists, look at how they act!

I know that's not what you were getting at, and many of the poeple who would have been in the world trade center at the time would have been business men, etc, but not all, so some were innocnet, but I wish america could take it's head out it's own arse, and tony could get his outta Bush's!


Amen to that last sentence!!

Sorry, I perhaps should have made that clearer.....I'm not saying that most of the people who died should have, how capitalistic they may have been, rather that my emphasising the fact that they were civilians, their deaths are somehow made a worse crimes than the many millions of civilians who have died all around the world.....