Hate crimes against Muslims rose 52%

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Internet, Radio Blamed for Discrimination



By WAYNE PARRY, Associated Press Writer Wed May 11, 3:51 PM ET

WASHINGTON - Anti-Muslim Internet traffic and radio broadcasts are fueling an atmosphere of hate and contributing to increased discrimination, the Council on American-Islamic Relations said Wednesday.

Hate crimes against Muslims rose 52 percent to 141 last year compared with 2003, and civil rights violations reported to the council jumped 49 percent to 1,522.

"Whenever there is a beheading or act of terrorism overseas that involves Muslims, we see a rise in reported incidents here," said Ibrahim Hooper, a spokesman for the council.

The trend is toward "rising Islamophobic rhetoric in American society," said Arsalan Iftikhar, the council's legal director.

The organization has become so concerned about anti-Muslim talk that it has launched an awareness campaign so people can contact advertisers about their concerns and file complaints with the
Federal Communications Commission.

Some Muslim leaders were surprised by the council's findings, contained in a report entitled "Unequal Protection."

"I thought we were through with the high point after 9/11," said Yaser El-Menshawy, chairman of New Jersey's council of mosques. "My gut feeling is it may be a combination of the war in
Iraq and mounting casualties, and that we're getting better at collecting this kind of data."

The report divided alleged abuse into 14 categories, from unreasonable arrest — the highest number of complaints with 385 — to Internet discrimination, with four.

Among the most prevalent complaints: There were 225 alleging religious discrimination such as community opposition to the presence of a mosque; 196 asserting employment discrimination; and 190 reported instances of verbal harassment.

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Associated Press writer Wayne Parry in Newark, N.J., contributed to this report.

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[RedAnarchist]

Why is there such an illogical tendancy in Western nations to tar a certain group in society with the same brush? Surely these people arent so bigoted that they see a terrorist who happens to be Muslim and see only his or her faith, and equating it with terrorism?

[fernando]

Bleh here in Holland we have a rise of Muslim hate crime against everybody who isnt muslim :rolleyes:

[Spartacus2002]

fernando is right it does go both ways, i personally would not want to be a jew, christian or hindu living in saudi arabia or sudan and i doubt any of you would. while i think everyone deserves respect regardless of religions i believe that it is not racist to disagree with islam as some people i know have perpetrated. Islam is a religion not a race so i can say islam is crap and that is not a discriminatory statement. its discrimination if i say that muslims are crap which they are not, they are good people but i have serious disagreements with the prophet ped mohammed. as far as people getting stopped at airports and such because they are muslims. that is stupid. its a violation of human rights.

[fernando]

hmm I can see what you're trying to say here. I know some muslim people and they are totally chill. But many muslims (note Marocans) in Holland...dear God Im sounding like a biggot now :( but they tend to cause lots of trouble here, small crimes such a theft, beatings etc is caused by a group of them. Im not saying every Marocan is a criminal but if you look at our crime rates a large number is commited by Marocans. Probably the reason why people here in Holland are starting to get pissed off.

[bolshevik butcher]

what do you expect? They have become the new commies, the new group to target and hate.

[Phalanx]

It is terrible, but they are still behind African Americans, Homosexuals, and Jews. Inequality is nothing new in 'merican society.

[fernando]

Originally posted by Clenched [email protected] 12 2005, 06:08 PM
what do you expect? They have become the new commies, the new group to target and hate.
I would not put them in the same line as commies. We got hate crimes up because a movie maker got killed for expressing his opinion about islam, we got homosexuals molested by young marocan hooligans because homosexuality is 'vile', we got a muslim religious leaders telling their followers to go out and kill homosexuals and how to make carbombs...you wonder why the people here get pissed?

[bolshevik butcher]

sorry, but i didn't just mean in holland, and it doesn't mean that all muslims are like that.

[fernando]

I agree that muslims are not all like this, but we've got a growing number of muslim youths who commit these kind of crimes or (indirectly) support this kind of crime. I dont know how the situation is in other European countries though.

[bolshevik butcher]

I live in edinburgh(scotland) and i have to admit that it's mainly whites that seem to cause trouble.

[dso79]

The problem is that the media and the right-wing politicians are very anti-Islamic. They’re always talking about Islamic terrorism, even though there has never been a (Islamic) terrorist attack here in Holland, and almost all the terror suspects that have been put on trial have eventually been acquitted. Or they come up with Qur’anic passages that incite violence against women or homosexuals, without mentioning that similar passages can be found in the Bible, Talmud, etc. The truth is that there is very little religious violence in this country and that most Muslims here are decent, law-abiding citizens.

The young Moroccan criminals are indeed a problem, but I don’t believe that their crimes are religiously motivated. They don’t seem to be very devout Muslims.

[bolshevik butcher]

of course they are, as i said they are looking for smeone to hate. I read an artical that said that a stuy conducted showed that americans atre actaully on aveage to the left of centre so the right wing governmnet uses issues such as this as a distraction.

[Phalanx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2005, 03:04 PM
I agree that muslims are not all like this, but we've got a growing number of muslim youths who commit these kind of crimes or (indirectly) support this kind of crime. I dont know how the situation is in other European countries though.
Where i live, the few Muslims in the area are very nice, intelligent, peaceful people. The ones that get in trouble are people like my neighbor, who's the most racist person i've ever met, and can't vote because he beat his wife. Every chance he gets he talks about how the African-Americans (not really what he says) cause so much crime. He's a bastard who i believe deserves to die.

[Anarcho-Communist]

muslisms are bullshit, they terrorize citizens that have done no harm and they preach a crap religion, but as chingis khan was saying where i live they are nice, yes because they are not in their own country but look they are trying to make countries turn into their rules with what they wear and stuff, if we went their we would be made to do what they do why dosent that happen here???

[viva le revolution]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2005, 09:39 PM
muslisms are bullshit, they terrorize citizens that have done no harm and they preach a crap religion, but as chingis khan was saying where i live they are nice, yes because they are not in their own country but look they are trying to make countries turn into their rules with what they wear and stuff, if we went their we would be made to do what they do why dosent that happen here???
Well..... i guess you then think that the west is much better then. yes? Of course the west did not colonize muslim countries and force them to adopt western styles and attitudes. and no they did not introduce capitalism? And no they did not exploit cheap labour there? No when you go to another country with a separate culture you should just piss on it, right? No muslims are generalized as terrorists right? Tell me my friend how many muslims do you know in their own countries hmmmm? If no then you are just another wannabe "bad boy" who likes to spout off shit because he just heard it on Fox, well then, it MUST be true right?
Son, let me tell you about a term religious-fundamentalism. ever heard of it? It happens in every religion, christianity, Islam, Juddaism, Hinduism. Those constitute a minority but often a disproportionately vocal one. But to brand an entire people as bullshit on the basis of their religion?..hmm.....didn't somebody in Germany once do that?

[fernando]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2005, 08:15 PM



Or they come up with Qur’anic passages that incite violence against women or homosexuals, without mentioning that similar passages can be found in the Bible, Talmud, etc. The truth is that there is very little religious violence in this country and that most Muslims here are decent, law-abiding citizens.
Many are, some are not, same could be said of non muslims. And yes the bible and other religious books also say negative things about homosexuality, but we did not have catholic priests here going that we have to kill all the homosexuals and blow up the cars of the infidels, there is a difference between saying "homosexuality is dirty" and "all homosexuals have to be thrown off flatbuilding with their heads facing Mekka"



The young Moroccan criminals are indeed a problem, but I don’t believe that their crimes are religiously motivated. They don’t seem to be very devout Muslims.
Not all crimes, but some of their crimes are following islam morality (anti gay behavior), again this could be found with other groups as well.


always talking about Islamic terrorism, even though there has never been a (Islamic) terrorist attack here in Holland,
I agree that the murder of Theo van Gogh was not a terrorist action, the word "terrorism" has lost its meaning after September 11 I think, but the strange thing is that a large number of Muslim, even those who are decent law-abiding citizens seemed to praise/agree with this assassination, some protested, but if I would look at the muslims at my school for example almost all of them found it understandable and almost "just" that Theo van Gogh got murdered for saying the things he said :rolleyes:

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Well the real number of muslim fundamentalist youngsters is actually quite small. The Dutch Secret Service (AIVD) estimates their number to be around 200. This number is nothing compared with the media circus created around it, or the number of vicious racists.

Then on the young Marrocans. As you notice, those in poverty always commit the most crimes, have a thougher lifeattitude and have to deal with the cops the most. Just like blacks and latino's in the USA. Marrocans are probaly the poorest ethnec group in Holland. The cause of the problems hasn't do to with the Marrocan youth in particular, but rather with the capitalist model in general.

Obviously, the establishment isn't going to shout out that they are to blame. Especially, since they were those who brought the Marrocans to Holland to work as cheap labor. Rather then that they created a media circus. The headlines of the evening news were stories about Muslim clerics stating that all gay should die. A very sickening fact, but the media doesn't reveal that Christianity states the same. There are a lot of stories in the media which target Marrocans. Pushing them further as social outcasts, enlarging bias about them and popularising extreme-rightwinged groups.

As a well-thinking person, you shouldn't re-repeat the media message, but rather tell what is really the cause of the problems: capitalism.

[Konqwest]

American Society pretty much looks for someone to look down upon. And since terrorist attacks and all Muslims are the new target. It is pretty much bullshit, but its not just Muslims who are targeted. African Americans, Homosexuals, Jews, Spanish, even White Europeaners are disrespected here. But Muslims are on the rise basically because of whats been going on, but still its not right at all and never is right anywhere period.

[Anarcho-Communist]

im not against any religion just when they try and make other countreis adopt to their lifestyle

[viva le revolution]

Well then i guess american foreign policy is a much graver threat than those you mention. American foreign policy advocates war upon other nations to introduce "american style democracy" and "free market" systems".
The main threat here is not religion, it is capitalism and globalistion. Islamic fundamentalism arose as a reactionary force against attempts by imperialists to infuse other countries with capitalism. Religion has no place in the state. Religious-fundamentalism is just a footnote in the conflicts of today. It's just a distraction to confuse the masses so they do not know the real reason their kids are dying, Economics and Capitalism.
Iraq was paraded around as a crusade against evil, in reality it was a war about oil.
Afghanistan was paraded around as showing a backward people a light of civilization, it was really to install a puppet regime and get a stronger foothold in the region and keep an eye on a pipeline passing from Iran through Pakistan and into India.
In today's world, it's all about the MONEY!

[dso79]

And yes the bible and other religious books also say negative things about homosexuality, but we did not have catholic priests here going that we have to kill all the homosexuals and blow up the cars of the infidels, there is a difference between saying "homosexuality is dirty" and "all homosexuals have to be thrown off flatbuilding with their heads facing Mekka"

I don’t remember any imams encouraging people to kill homosexuals. The passage you mentioned, about throwing them off buildings, was from a (rather old) book, that merely described what the Qur’an (or Sunna or whatever) says about homosexuality - which is similar to what the Bible says:


Leviticus 20:13

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

[Spoonman]

It seems as though a lot of people in the world can't seem to realize that though people are of the same culture or race that doesn't mean that they have the same ideals, beliefs or even ways of life. It is just angry westurners that feel the need to put the blame on somebody. It's really to bad that they put it on people that usually have a similar physical appearance to Bin Laden or any middle easturn. It doesn't just happen to muslims. Even sikhs get it bad. It really saddens me that one of the facts on this side of the world is that if you have a beard and turban you will be attacked sometime or even many times in your life.

[Omar]

what was the reaction in holland to theo van goghs murder?

how many mosques were attacked with petrol bombs for instance?

the throwing homosexuals off building with their heads facing makkah issue is in a tafsir (explanation on the meaning of the Quran) quoting from a very weak hadith (supposed saying of Muhammad SAWS), it is not a trusted hadith by anybody who knows anything about the science of ahadith.

and to the guy who cant spell going on about "im not against any religion just when they try and make other countreis adopt to their lifestyle" a muslim is commanded to abide by the laws of the "countreis" they reside in, this doesnt mean that muslim citizens of say the US cant use the legislative system to change things to suit them (the way any other group would do), such an attitude is simply xenophobic.

[Black Dagger]

this doesnt mean that muslim citizens of say the US cant use the legislative system to change things to suit them (the way any other group would do), such an attitude is simply xenophobic.

But this is not 'ok', a minority legislating it's version of morality to the majority is even more abhorrent than the christian morality currently being legislated in the US. At least in that case there are LOTS of americans who do support those ideas, like the clean-sweep on referendums banning same-sex marriage at the last federal election. Nevertheless, imposing religion and religious morality on others, in that and every case is unjustified. The reactionary nature of religion aside.