mazadak: he is don't want to kill jews, but he is still a fa

[new democracy]

after alot of "extreme liberals" called mazadak a facist, i took my history book and started to read about musoliny. i saw that one men once said "if people were not forced to, they would never do good dids"(i don't agree with that sentance). musoliny was inspired by that sentance and by that he justify facism. mazadak told that he believe that there should be a dictatorship that will force people to act in the "right way". musoliny and mazadak both believe in a dictatorship that force people to act in the "right way". that's why i submit that mazadak don't want to kill jews or anybody because of their nationality, but he is practicly facist. the only thing that make mazadak kind of different from a facist is the fact that he believe that in the end of stalinism the state "die" and it become an utopia. whatever he like it or not, he is practicly a facist.


or maybe he is just a kid that like to make us nuts or need an attention. you figure it out.

[new democracy]

note: i still stand for what i said in the "mazadak here" thread, but i just want to say that mazadak re-invented facism without thinking about it.

(Edited by new democracy at 3:07 pm on Sep. 10, 2002)

[RedCeltic]

FASCISM

A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
Oppressive, dictatorial control.


Stalinism would fall under that definition.

[new democracy]

yes, but mazadak do believe that in the end of stalinism there is a stateless utoia and the dictatorship don't less forever, and mazadak is not a racist.

[RedCeltic]

Once a small group of people have ultimate control of the government and the masses, do you think they are likely to give that up so easy?

Also note I said, "Nationalism OR Racism".

[new democracy]

i know, i am not a stalinist but mazadak believe that in the end it will be a stateless utoia. and ts, lenin, and yuriandrophob called themself nationalist, but mazadak called himself Nationalist?

[new democracy]

note: this is a disscusion about mazadak, not stalinism.

[RedCeltic]

How many threads about one person do you need anyway ND? Silly ***** was barly walkin' & talkin' before the wall fell anyway. He's an example of what hapens when you let anger, not compassion guide your political beliefs. By the time he's 25 he'll be voting for the next ultra right wing candidate.

[Reuben]

Ok heres my contribution.

The world congress of the communist party back in the 20sor 30s defined fascism as:

'The open and terroristic dictatorship by the most reactionary forces of financer capital.


PS mazdaks a twat

[new democracy]

didn't he said that he came from cuba?

[RedCeltic]

he lives in New York City... I don't know if he's a fellow Native New Yorker or born in Cuba however.

[Pinko]

[new democracy]
"...i took my history book and started to read about musoliny. i saw that one men once said "if people were not forced to, they would never do good dids"(i don't agree with that sentance). musoliny was inspired by that sentance and by that he justify facism. mazadak told that he believe that there should be a dictatorship that will force people to act in the "right way". musoliny and mazadak both believe in a dictatorship that force people to act in the "right way". that's why i submit that mazadak don't want to kill jews or anybody because of their nationality, but he is practicly facist. the only thing that make mazadak kind of different from a facist is the fact that he believe that in the end of stalinism the state "die" and it become an utopia. whatever he like it or not, he is practicly a facist."

By that arguement, any government on the planet is facitstic. Every form of government is there to impose order onto an otherwise unrully mob. Every government forces people to act in a way that is condusive to their image of acceptable society. You break the law, you go to prison, if that is not enforcing the "right way" of behaving I don't know what is.

Your arguement is loose and wooly, you centre on one tiny part of the big picture in order to portray someone in a bad light. You are no better than the media, spreading your own brand of propoganda. If you want to formulate a proper arguement based on the whole picture, be my guest, but don't use half cocked reasoning to put accross an arguement.

If you continue to stand by this arguement I will accuse you of being a nazi. I assume you agree with the statement: "I would like to see a world free of geneticly inherited illness and disorder." So did the nazis, that makes you one and the same, you might not want to kill Jews and Slavs, but you are practically a nazi.
You see how hollow and meaningless that arguement is?

[new democracy]

in stalinism and facism, breaking the law mean disagree or saying what you think. in stalinism the "right way" is being a stalinist. in every state if you kill somebody you go to prison. in stalinism and facism, you are froced to agree with anything that the government says. i don't see capitalism as democratic and i think we should create a better society, but capitalism is better than stalinism or facism. in capitalism you are at least can say what you think.

[Anonymous]

I can actually see some sense in forcing people to be good, after a period it should become second nature. Hmmm, maybe im becoming less liberal

[canikickit]

New Democracy, every single time you refer to Mazdak you say "Mazadak". Why is this?

[Pinko]

I didn't want to say anything, but since you started it.
He/she/it couldn't have read the history book too hard, can't even spell Mussolini.

[new democracy]

thank you for telling me how to spell Mussolini. i don't come from an english speaking country you know. i am coming from the country that you love to see her citizens killed in terrorist attacks(israel). you are starting to use childish insults. stop it and go to serious debate.

[Mazdak]

Facist? Facists are right wingers. I am not. It is authoritarian, not facist. Authoritarian uses force to achieve leftist goals, while facism to achieve right wing goals.

It appears i am very popular here. There are so many threads bearing my name. Shouldnt we keep these threads all together.

Reuben thanks alot, i appreciate it.