FAO Irish Trots and Anarchists

[PRC-UTE]

At this event attended by members of various Anarchist groupings, a statue dedicated to Connolly was vandalised.

How does this help? How does this advance the struggle of the working class?

I figured it was the usual antics of the mindless crusty bloc lumpen/petty bourgois kids, until I saw members of the Workers Solidarity Movement defending it and playing it off like it's nuthin!

What gives? :angry:

Wish I'd been there to show those kids, but I unfortunately wasn't.

http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=69655

EDIT: SP were not involved!

[RedAnarchist]

That is just sad. How can these so-called communists just deface a memorial to a great man, who believed not only in socialism, but in the liberation of a united Ireland, free of British imperialism?

[BOZG]

Actually, it wasn't attended by the SP and if there were any SP members at it (I don't know of any), they went of their own accord.

[bolshevik butcher]

WHY? This is just a stupid act. They attack the man that helped liberate them. While today ireland is hardly something that conolley would be proud of, at least it is free of bristish rule. Why attack what you stand for?

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2005, 10:41 PM
I saw members of the Workers Solidarity Movement defending it and playing it off like it's nuthin!
What do you mean, you "saw" them? What were they supposed to say really. I mean, it wasn't exactly the end of the world.

It was just a statue.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by Clenched [email protected] 11 2005, 06:39 PM
Why attack what you stand for?
It obviously wasn't.

They did only use crayon.

[Redmau5]

They shouldn't have vandalised it, end of story. Theyre just dickheads with nothing better to do.

[PRC-UTE]

Originally posted by The Anarchist Tension+May 11 2005, 05:44 PM--> (The Anarchist Tension @ May 11 2005, 05:44 PM)
Clenched [email protected] 11 2005, 06:39 PM
Why attack what you stand for?
It obviously wasn't.

They did only use crayon. [/b]
No, there was permenant damage with spray paint. Some of the WSM are apparently going back to clean it up, but cleaning it may actually cause further damage.


What do you mean, you "saw" them?

Read the link provided.


What were they supposed to say really. I mean, it wasn't exactly the end of the world.

It was just a statue.

'Sorry we stood by and did nuthin', or 'well get those responsible' would be a good start.

We all know that defacing statues is a very political act. Connolly is a working class martyr. He died in the fight for a Socialist Republic.

These middle class wankers are hurting their own cause, and so is the WSM by not condemning it. I hope they do issue a statement against it. I am sympathetic to Platformism, and I used to think they were a sound group.

[PRC-UTE]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2005, 04:37 PM
Actually, it wasn't attended by the SP and if there were any SP members at it (I don't know of any), they went of their own accord.
Good to hear; I reread the link and noticed that some anarchists called the SP 'sectarian' for calling the WSM on doing nothing about the vandalism!! :lol:

[Poum_1936]

Didnt WSM just have an article giving praise to Connolly in their paper?

[SonofRage]

That's pretty fucked up. I can only blame ignorance.

[Jersey Devil]

Isn't Marxism suppose to be about "no leaders". Indeed, yet people unquestionably follow "leaders" like Marx, Lenin, a forum dedicated to Che Guevara or in Ireland you have socialists fighting over who Connolly belongs to. The entire notion seems self-contradictory.

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by Jersey [email protected] 11 2005, 08:28 PM
Isn't Marxism suppose to be about "no leaders". Indeed, yet people unquestionably follow "leaders" like Marx, Lenin, a forum dedicated to Che Guevara or in Ireland you have socialists fighting over who Connolly belongs to. The entire notion seems self-contradictory.
In principle, you are quite right, of course.

Indeed, the unseemly squabbles over corpses (including Marx's) are, at best, nothing more than "argument from authority" writ large.

But many people do seem to "need" "inspirational heroes" to...well, inspire them, I guess.

Under such circumstances, I much prefer they choose statues rather than people who are still alive.

Statues provide good places for pigeons to shit...and have no ambitions to be the next "great leader".

On topic: I am quite shocked that "anarchists" would vandalize a statue of Connolly.

Are there no churches left in Ireland?

http://www.websmileys.com/sm/cool/123.gif

[chebol]

As an aside, today is the anniversary of Connolly's murder by the Brits.

Tiocfaidh ár lá. RIP comrade.

[Poum_1936]

On topic: I am quite shocked that "anarchists" would vandalize a statue of Connolly.

Are there no churches left in Ireland?

HAHAHAHA! :lol: Now there would be a great target.

WSM's paper called Conolly Irelands greatest national hero... or something to that extent. Rather surprizing that anarchists would pick such a target. Churches or even government buildings would be more of a prime target.

[PRC-UTE]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2005, 02:58 AM
But many people do seem to "need" "inspirational heroes" to...well, inspire them, I guess.

Under such circumstances, I much prefer they choose statues rather than people who are still alive.
Well, a statue to Connolly is not really to the man himself, but to the struggle he was instrumental in organising (imo). His politics are important not only because he was so involved in enormeous examples of class struggle and national liberatiion, but because he's also an example of anti-reformism.

[KrazyRabidSheep]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2005, 03:50 AM

On topic: I am quite shocked that "anarchists" would vandalize a statue of Connolly.

Are there no churches left in Ireland?

HAHAHAHA! :lol: Now there would be a great target.

WSM's paper called Conolly Irelands greatest national hero... or something to that extent. Rather surprizing that anarchists would pick such a target. Churches or even government buildings would be more of a prime target.
No offence, (Hell, even if there is, it's aimed at my family and myself, too) but they've become soft in Ireland.

Pussies.
Maybe not every one, but where is that historical spirit? The "comradeship", the intensity so often taught (or my case, avoided) to Irish children?
Dosen't anybody want to be a hero anymore?
I have an uncle with a bullet in the knee (rooftops of Belfast). He would be ashamed to learn this sort of crap was going on. Lucky he's pretty old and out of it, or he'd be out in the streets with a half-brick in a sock or a nail in a board or something.

See, there would be retaliation if a church or govornment building were attacked. People would care, and while that's exactly the point, those responsible would be persued.
So they didn't.

Why don't we nick the pope's hat? Now that would be a target.
Not that anyone would notice, I haven't even seen that fucker wear it yet.
He seems he like that big, goofy, white yamaca better.

Someone should steal that.

[BOZG]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2005, 08:55 PM
Didnt WSM just have an article giving praise to Connolly in their paper?
Yeah, it was in Red Black Revolution. They were arguing for him being closer to Anarchism than Marxism.