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TheKingOfMercy
9th May 2005, 19:54
Now, they knee-jerk reaction to this name is 'NAZI BURN THEM', and on this BB a few months, thats exactly what happened, when someone wanted to say that national socialism isnt actually the same as nazism, they were shot down, banned, and generally flamed into a non-existence, so spare me that crap eh ? ;)

And before anyone bans me, im just typing up a theory for you all to debate over, im not a nationalist, a nazi, or anything else you want to call me, I just thought some intelligent debate about this could be nice. :)

Righty, first off, socialism - the want, through the use of the standing political system, do implement a people-based government, non centralised, without autocrats or monarchs, and with the local people having the say as to how they're local area is run, not politicians in the capital.

Nationalism - The idea that your country should be seperated from the rest of the world, appart from by trade links etc, and made strong through interalization and the use of government power to create strong industry and economy. Some nationalists get a little extreme, but we'll stick to this version for now.

So national socialism - the want to promote your country itself, through the creation of a workers state that exists independantly of foreign rule and regulation, where the government is localised, but still the government, albeit on a smaller scale (many local governments). Industry would be regulated by these people sponsored local governemtns, and the rest is a mix of the above..

RIGHTy, Nazis - the followers of Hitler in the 1930's - 1950's, wanted to destroy the european jewery, and anyone else that wasnt purely arayan, basically white sumpremacists given tanks and guns. NAZI - an amalgamation of the words national and socialism (their german equivalents at least). Their ultimately destructive tendancies reduced them to nothing...

So, national socialism, just something given a bad name by one group of dead guys ? (see also - communism, the british conservative party)

Forward Union
9th May 2005, 21:13
NAZI is the Germanic acronym for "National Socialist German Workers Party" the party that Hitler became leader of, after a shot career as its speaker. So by the time Hitler made himself head of the infamous NAZI party, its ideological stance was National Socialist. If you were to look in a political dictionary as I have, you would find something along the lines of


National Socialism
a) NAZI
b : a form of socialism featuring racism and expansionism [syn: Nazism, Naziism]

LSD
9th May 2005, 21:19
While the term "National Socialism" may appear to denote merely an amalgamation of the words Nationalist and Socialist, the historical meaning of the phrase is very different.

Much like how anti-semetism does not mean hatred of semetic people, National Socialism does not mean nationalist socialism!

It means National Socialism:

A political ideology developed in Austria in the early twentieth century which is a racist Germanic anti-semetic fasict corporatist belief in expansionist foreign policy based on power politics and racial ideologies; and an oppressive domestic policy predicated on corpoate state-capitalism with no civil rights or democracy.

bolshevik butcher
9th May 2005, 21:21
I have to addmit it seems stupid when socialism is based upon equality to elevate one country above the rest.

OleMarxco
9th May 2005, 21:22
Just SOMEONE have missed the rules....*hint, hint, hint, nudge*
"No Nazi Thrash" :)

TheKingOfMercy
9th May 2005, 21:30
What? You cant mention the Nazis on here ?

And Well, I was wondering, if we disavow the historical contexts of it all, what your thoughts are on the literal meaning of the phrase ?

Clenched fist - I agree, it does seem a bit like an oxymoron

Forward Union
9th May 2005, 21:33
Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2005, 08:22 PM
Just SOMEONE have missed the rules....*hint, hint, hint, nudge*
"No Nazi Thrash" :)
It's a fair mistake to make, an in fact, its not baseless. Because there is little record of what the original plans for the NAZI party were before Hitler's take over.

However, a fact is a fact, Naziism is racist, expansionist, non sensual trash.

Forward Union
9th May 2005, 21:35
Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2005, 08:30 PM
What? You cant mention the Nazis on here ?

And Well, I was wondering, if we disavow the historical contexts of it all, what your thoughts are on the literal meaning of the phrase ?

Clenched fist - I agree, it does seem a bit like an oxymoron
Well I suppose the USSR was "National Socialist" by your definition. and I hated it, as I do all other 'Socialist' nations.