Dinosaurs

[Rockfan]

Well as a kid all I could think about was dinosaurs aye, I was a freak.
So yeah i belive the commit thory but dose anyone think it was something different?

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

It is believed that volcanic eruptions which changed the nature of the Earth's atmosphere may have also contributed to the death of the dinosaurs.

Any dinos who may have survived both that and the asteroid (Not a comet) that came along would have doubtless been finished off by the next ice age.

[encephalon]

not to mention that some simply evolved into birds..

My problem with the meteor theory is that it should have affected mammals as well.. the wooly mammoth, for instance. Instead, they survived, meat-eater and herbivore alike. You would think at least the larger mammals would be affected as were the dinosaurs.. but they weren't.I sincerely doubt they were somhow immune to the cataclysmic atmosphere in ways the dinosaurs were not.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Considering that mammoths only became extinct around 2000BC, I doubt there were any mammoths around the dinosaur age.

A quick googling puts the end of the dinosaur period around about 65 million years ago, so no, there weren't any mammoths arouund then. They hadn't evolved yet.

Don't forget there was an age of mammals after the dinos, when the lack of large predators allowed the tiny mammals to flourish and grow to huge proportions.

[NovelGentry]

Revolution?

[monkeydust]

Well...the crocodiles survived it, whatever it was.

Incidentally, I found out the other day that apparently Tyranasauras-Rex was both not a preadator - being in fact a scavenger - and was thought to have had feathers.

[Rasta Sapian]

65 Million years ago, scientists claim that an very large asteroid crashed into earth, this is not uncommon in a large time scale.

Anyway it was estimated to have hit in the gulf of mexico, if you look at earth topographically you can see for yourself.

This giant Bang would have knocked earth causing alot of eathquakes and volcanos, what life was left would of had to survive a major ice age caused by the dust and ash that would have covered the earth's atmosphere i.e. sunlight for long enough to finish off the dinosaurs.........................some survvied, evolved.............but not many

[apathy maybe]

As has already been mentioned, crocodiles are still around and have not changed much in the last 65 million years. Birds are still around, sharks are still around. Sure most of the big buggers went, but they are still around.

[guerillablack]

And cockaroaches.

[RedAnarchist]

They didint die out. They just evolved into conservatives. :P

[Poum_1936]

What Really Killed the Dinosaurs (http://www.marxist.com/scienceandtech/dinosaurs_extinction.htm)

Intresting article on the subject.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2005, 09:06 PM
What Really Killed the Dinosaurs (http://www.marxist.com/scienceandtech/dinosaurs_extinction.htm)

Intresting article on the subject.
Not really. It brings in dialectics, that heap of puffed-up Hegelian crap that should have gone the same way as the dinosaurs.

Marxist.org should keep their politicized oar out of science.

[guerillablack]

Did dinosaurs exist?

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

According to dialectics, they did and they didn't, so in the end it's up to you to decide whether dinosaurs existed or not.

In all seriousness, of course they existed.

[Poum_1936]

Marxist.org should keep their politicized oar out of science.

Are you refering to MIA (Marxists Internet Archive) or IDOM (In Defence of Marxism)?


According to dialectics, they did and they didn't, so in the end it's up to you to decide whether dinosaurs existed or not.

Care to elaborate on this? It seems like you dont understand dialectics if you consider that with dialectics you can go with the idea that dinosaurs did or did not exist.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Are you refering to MIA (Marxists Internet Archive) or IDOM (In Defence of Marxism)?


I'm referring to the website on which the article is hosted. Who the hell else could I be talking about?


Care to elaborate on this? It seems like you dont understand dialectics if you consider that with dialectics you can go with the idea that dinosaurs did or did not exist.

My point is, that if you spout enough dialectic claptrap you can say anything that suits you personally regardless of what objective reality says.

I'll link you to this article to avoid repetition:

On 'Dialectics': The Heresy Posts (http://www.redstar2000papers.com/theory.php?subaction=showfull&id=1082735164&archive=&cnshow=headlines&start_from=&ucat=&)

The scientific method is good enough on it's own.

[Paradox]

Did dinosaurs exist?

NO!!! They were made up by evil satanic scientists to distract you from the truth of the bible and lead you to hell!!! :lol:

[guerillablack]

That's what i figured.

[encephalon]

Considering that mammoths only became extinct around 2000BC, I doubt there were any mammoths around the dinosaur age.


Yes, perhaps mammoths were a rather bad example. How about saber-tooth tigers? They were rather large. Not sure if they lived in the same period, though.

Regardless, why would a kind of holocaust kill only the large animals? That really doesn't make much sense, if you think about it, unless you can work in temperature change there; cold blooded animals couldn't handle it while the new warm-blooded mammals could. Still, as was mentioned before, certain reptiles did survive along with the mammals.

If food sources were destroyed in a cataclysm, all animals would have been affected, mammalian or not.

If tempurature changed too much for cold-blooded animals.. well, we'd no longer have cold-blooded animals, period.

If oxygen or other life-sustaining resources were disturbed, it would've been disturbed for all. One might be able to make the argument that large animals needed more oxygen than the new post-cataclysmic atmosphere could provide, but then the crocodiles still remain; even then, they were much larger than they are now.

It seems to me that no "great catacysm" argument really fills these gaps. I would guess that it was a mixture of different events, perhaps something cataclysmic playing a role as well, but not dominating it. There's no good reason to believe that the mammals were THAT much more suitably adaptable to a catacysm than reptiles. Perhaps it was the Green Knight that killed 'em all.

On a side-note, anyone read much about the Troodon? That bastard was damned smart and had an opposable thumb to boot. I don't want to imagine who would've won between an evolved species of those and the neanderthals, had the Troodons not died out for whatever reason the dinosaurs did overall. There's a documentary on them that plays on the science channel every once in a while, trying to find a reasonable evolutionary path they would've gone through had they survived (based on human evolution). They were far ahead of us, to say the least.

[Paradox]

Regardless, why would a kind of holocaust kill only the large animals? That really doesn't make much sense

Well, for one, where would large animals, i.e. dinosaurs, hide? It's been suggested that the smaller animals could have escaped the effects of the meteor by going underground, like burrowing toads. We still have toads today, and some can live as long as 2 years I think underground in the moist cool soil waiting for the next rainy season. In that way, some of the smaller animals could have survived. I suppose crocodiles could have survived the same way, as they too burrow deep into the banks of dried up rivers waiting for the floods to come. That being the case, the dinosaurs would have been wiped out because they had nowhere to hide, though as mentioned earlier, some might have evolved into birds. Either way, what is they say, like 95% of the species were wiped out.

[Paradox]

There's no good reason to believe that the mammals were THAT much more suitably adaptable to a catacysm than reptiles.

There were no large mammals yet at that time. Just things like rats and other smaller type mammals, best I can remember. It wasn't til after the dinosaurs had fallen that the mammals evolved and filled in the niche left empty by the dinosaurs.

[monkeydust]

A dialectical assessment of the extinction of the dinosaurs? Good grief, whatever next!?

[encephalon]

Well, for one, where would large animals, i.e. dinosaurs, hide? It's been suggested that the smaller animals could have escaped the effects of the meteor by going underground, like burrowing toads. We still have toads today, and some can live as long as 2 years I think underground in the moist cool soil waiting for the next rainy season. In that way, some of the smaller animals could have survived. I suppose crocodiles could have survived the same way, as they too burrow deep into the banks of dried up rivers waiting for the floods to come. That being the case, the dinosaurs would have been wiped out because they had nowhere to hide, though as mentioned earlier, some might have evolved into birds. Either way, what is they say, like 95% of the species were wiped out.

They would have still needed the same essential sustenance that would be destroyed in a cataclysmic event. Plant-life, for instance. According to the meteor theory, the sun would've been blocked out for a very long time. Most if not all plant-life would have died. No mammal could have avoided this; in fact, mammals require more food than reptiles to regulate their body temperature. You simply can't hide from starvation, reptile or mammal, big or small. The meteor theory has too many holes in it to be complete.

[Don't Change Your Name]

How did dinosaurs die? Well, there are 3 possibilities:
1) overdose
2) punk rock
3) they didn't exist and satan did them to trick us into disbelieving the Miracle of Creation

Seriously, I once saw a weird hypoteshis called "Verneshot". It was really weird. Look it up on google.