Rage Against The Machine

[Che1990]

RATM have to be the greatest left band ever. They just had so much anger and...well...rage! Who else likes rage? I think their self-titled album is the best one they did.

[Ian]

They are pretty good, lyrically I feel they were better in Evil Empire and Battle of LA.

[Che1990]

Yer I suppose, but I think there's more anger in the self-titled one. And it has tracks like killing in the name and bombtrack and take the power back etc. But then again battle of los angeles has sleep now in the fire and guerrilla radio so i'm not sure.

[Ian]

My favourite song is Testify, welcome to the forums anyway.

[bolshevik butcher]

hi, yeh rage are really good,greatest leftist band ever, i don't know about that. I think bullet in the head's the best, although new millenium hopes and ashes in the fall are good.

[Jesus Christ!]

Rage is in my top three favorite bands. I like the cds in order of realse. self titled being may favorite and so on.

[RedLenin]

RATM is by far my favorite band. I am going to have to go in a different direction and say that Evil Empire was by far the best. It had by far the best lyrics and was problably their single most revolutionary album. Bulls On Parade, Down Rodeo, People of The Sun, and Year of The Boomerange define revolutionary music. But yes their fist CD was great, but I prefer their second based on lyrical content. I was really not too impressed with battle of Los Angeles though.

[che's long lost daughter]

I love Rage too. Too bad they're gone now. A lot of bands out there are trying to be like them but no one can ever be like them. I have to say the first album is also the one i like best, though the two other ones are also exceptional.

[Rockfan]

Very, Very good band. I dpn't think theres a rage song I don't like. My favs are sleep now in the fire, people of the sun, born of a broken man and fist full of steel. GOOD SHIT.

[Enragé]

Yeah RATM rulz.

I guess war within a breath is my favorite song.

[Che1990]

Born of a broken man is amazing. I guess lyrically they were probably better in Evil Empire but I think the songs in the self-titled album were more kind of 'hard hitting' if you know what I mean. My favourite song is either Guerrilla Radio, Killing In The Name or Know Your Enemy. Hey you know what, they're all my favourite!

[Ian]

their guitar solos suck however

[Che1990]

Well I think they were meant to be weird. Tom Morrello used like whammy and wah and shit loads of other effects and then came up with bizzare solos. I think they suck because they were meant to, it was like them saying 'We know our guitar solos are shit and they're meant to be because our music isn't about guitar solos and catchy tunes, it's about the message behind the songs'. Well that's my interpretation anyway. :hammer:

[burn_ladiesagainstfeminism]

Yeah I think thats a good theory.......but I always wonder musn't he get shit bored playing the same simple riffs over and over again?

[Ian]

The triumph of RATM, which people often forget, is it is really the only fusion of Rap and Rock which has not only worked (a triumph in itself which very few bands can lay claim to), but lasted for years.

[Enragé]

i always liked the guitar solo's and shit, at least its different.

[workersunity]

my favorite album of theirs is the one that has the monk on the cover, in that crazy as fuck picture, as well as sad :hammer:

[bolshevik butcher]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2005, 08:33 AM
their guitar solos suck however
no way, the bass and guitar and rage are amazing and vastly underrated.

[Palmares]

I actually like Renegades the best. I just like RATM's twist on the already political songs.

[Ian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2005, 05:54 AM
I actually like Renegades the best.
:o :rolleyes: WHAT.THE.FUCK.

[Invader Zim]

RATM have to be the greatest left band ever. Who else likes rage?

No, not by a long shot, i can think of literally hundreds of better bands.


They just had so much anger and...well...rage!

Not really, saying "Fuck you I won't do what you tell me", is so passe. That kind of blunt, unsubtal shite should have died with '77 punk.


I think their self-titled album is the best one they did.

Well obviously, because that actually had a couple of good songs on it, the other two were just plain crap.

http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php...nst+the+machine (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=31008&hl=rage+against+the+machine)

http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php...topic=24869&hl= (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=24869&hl=)

http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php...topic=19778&hl= (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=19778&hl=)

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http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php...topic=10969&hl= (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=10969&hl=)

http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php...topic=10884&hl= (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=10884&hl=)

http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php...topic=10330&hl= (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=10330&hl=)

[Anarcho-Communist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2005, 07:13 AM



They just had so much anger and...well...rage!

Not really, saying "#### you I won't do what you tell me", is so passe. That kind of blunt, unsubtal ##### should have died with '77 punk.

And why would a leftist band tell someone not to tell them what to do, lefties are always being told what to do...

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Vero+May 10 2005, 08:22 AM--> (Vero @ May 10 2005, 08:22 AM)
[email protected] 10 2005, 07:13 AM



They just had so much anger and...well...rage!

Not really, saying "#### you I won't do what you tell me", is so passe. That kind of blunt, unsubtal ##### should have died with '77 punk.

And why would a leftist band tell someone not to tell them what to do, lefties are always being told what to do... [/b]
If listening to a childish rant; bordering on a tantrum, is your thing, go for it mate.

I however am not impressed.

[h&s]

How many threads are there on RATM here? I used to love them, but all this obsession kinda' puts me off them (though they're still one of my favorite bands).
Will people stop going on about them?
Please?

[aztecklaw]

Originally posted by h&[email protected] 10 2005, 03:17 PM
How many threads are there on RATM here? I used to love them, but all this obsession kinda' puts me off them (though they're still one of my favorite bands).
Will people stop going on about them?
Please?
They're a great band.

I like funk, like RHCP.

Rage has great funk. The music is still contemporary.

Someone said it was all rant. Oh well, I could give a rat's ass if anyone thinks it's a rant. The music is emotionally charged and I like it like that.

RAtM rocks!

[Che1990]

Their music was not a fucking rant! If you listen to/read the lyrics on all of their albums you can see they do not 'rant' as you like to put it, their lyrics are very political and leftist.

[Rage]

I was just going to make a Rage thread. As my username suggests, I like them. They are my favorite band of all time.


cool


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Rock on!

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2005, 04:48 PM
Their music was not a fucking rant! If you listen to/read the lyrics on all of their albums you can see they do not 'rant' as you like to put it, their lyrics are very political and leftist.
Their music was not a fucking rant!

Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me!
Motherfucker!
Uggh!

The defence rests, and the case against Enigma is thrown out of court, and Che1990 re-thinks his agenda.

If it makes you feal any better I was also born of the 2nd of April.

[Jesus Christ!]

Originally posted by Enigma+May 13 2005, 12:47 AM--> (Enigma @ May 13 2005, 12:47 AM)
[email protected] 12 2005, 04:48 PM
Their music was not a fucking rant! If you listen to/read the lyrics on all of their albums you can see they do not 'rant' as you like to put it, their lyrics are very political and leftist.
Their music was not a fucking rant!

Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me!
Motherfucker!
Uggh!

The defence rests, and the case against Enigma is thrown out of court, and Che1990 re-thinks his agenda.

If it makes you feal any better I was also born of the 2nd of April. [/b]
You can quote three lines of any artist and make it seem like their lyrics suck. That didn't prove anything.

[Palmares]

Originally posted by Ian+May 10 2005, 07:42 AM--> (Ian @ May 10 2005, 07:42 AM)
[email protected] 10 2005, 05:54 AM
I actually like Renegades the best.
:o :rolleyes: WHAT.THE.FUCK. [/b]
Oh, lets all like the self-titled album the best. Ohhhh... it's so original and is like the only album with good songs on it... Oh I'm such a music nazi... Ohhhh...

WHAT, THE, FUCK, :)

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Jesus Christ!+May 15 2005, 03:54 PM--> (Jesus Christ! @ May 15 2005, 03:54 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2005, 12:47 AM

[email protected] 12 2005, 04:48 PM
Their music was not a fucking rant! If you listen to/read the lyrics on all of their albums you can see they do not 'rant' as you like to put it, their lyrics are very political and leftist.
Their music was not a fucking rant!

Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me!
Motherfucker!
Uggh!

The defence rests, and the case against Enigma is thrown out of court, and Che1990 re-thinks his agenda.

If it makes you feal any better I was also born of the 2nd of April.
You can quote three lines of any artist and make it seem like their lyrics suck. That didn't prove anything. [/b]
You want me to quote the wole song? Or any number of other RATM songs? I can do, but I rather think it would be easier if you just accept it now and get it over with.

[Anarchist Freedom]

I like RATM alot. I actually had a chance to meet tom morello in person.

[bunk]

What about that thread with pictures of their proletarian humvees? :D

[waltersm]

1. renagades
2. battle of LA
3. self titled
4. evil empire

not that any of them are bad, I do like evil empire but the others are better

when did you meet him, anarchist freedom?

[Anarcho-Communist]

people think that silf-titled is their best one yet i reckon battle of la is better!

[Shogun]

killing in the name of and calm like a bomb; i herd deyr going 2 play in cuba

[Che1990]

Play in Cuba? They split up in 2000. Although all thats really happened is Zach De La Rocha has left and they got Chris Cornell to sing and called themselves Audioslave. People of the sun is a fantastic song. And if RATM are a 'rant' doesn't that make the Clash a rant too? I mean I love rage and I love the Clash but neither of them are a rant.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2005, 08:14 AM
Play in Cuba? They split up in 2000. Although all thats really happened is Zach De La Rocha has left and they got Chris Cornell to sing and called themselves Audioslave. People of the sun is a fantastic song. And if RATM are a 'rant' doesn't that make the Clash a rant too? I mean I love rage and I love the Clash but neither of them are a rant.
I don't love either of them, but the Clash are much better than RATM, they had at least they weren't so blunt.

By the way they both rant.

Listen to some decent lyrics: -


Close the pits sanctify Roy Lynk an O.B.E.
Shareholding a piece of this fucking country
Fossilize-make Yorkshire into a tourist resort
And dream of new ways to humble the poor
Gold against the soul
White liberal hates slavery
Needs Thai labour to clean his home

[Che1990]

Well those lyrics sound like they could have come from a RATM song.

[bolshevik butcher]

yeh they do actually, the clash are a great band as well.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2005, 01:47 PM
Well those lyrics sound like they could have come from a RATM song.
Nope, because these lyrics actually make reference to actual political issues, such as the British minors strikes. They also retain a certain subtle quality which is lost on Rage songs.

[Rage]

Originally posted by Enigma+May 21 2005, 01:43 AM--> (Enigma @ May 21 2005, 01:43 AM)
[email protected] 20 2005, 01:47 PM
Well those lyrics sound like they could have come from a RATM song.
Nope, because these lyrics actually make reference to actual political issues, such as the British minors strikes. They also retain a certain subtle quality which is lost on Rage songs. [/b]
Listen to "War Within A breath". It is about the EZLN, which I would say is a refrence to an actual political issue.



/,,/
Rock on!

[Che1990]

All Rage songs are about political issues. Killing In the Name, to which you seem so opposed Enigma, is about the KKK and USA political leaders being racist. Please tell me how that is not a 'political issue'. The fact is, everything is a 'political issue'. Politics is everywhere, you can't escape it.

[Invader Zim]

All Rage songs are about political issues.

But of course, like I said, they lack any subtlety, making their music nothing but one giant rant. Their lyrics don't give you anything to think about what so ever. I don't consider saying 'fuck' 15 times in a song any sign of quality writing of lyrics. Not that I have any problem, with angry lyrics which involve excessive cuss words, by any means. Other excellent songs by excellent bands have loads of swearing in them. But these songs, are usually very clever, very controversial and very dark.

I also don't particularly find anything stimulating about the lyrics of Know Your Enemy either, and he didn't swear in that. The lyrics are just boring... I want something stimulating, Rage just don't provide that.

I would say that the best lyrics I have ever heard come from the likes of Pete Doherty, John Lennon (while of course its a crime to compare any writer to John Lennon, because of the cries of anguish from over zealous fans), Richard James Edwards, Grant Nicholas, Ian Curtis and Billy Corgan.

From this list you can spot several trends (with the exception of Lennon), they all share one or more of three things. Suicide (either them selves or of a close friend/bandmate), manic depression bordering on insanity, or enough crack and heroin to kill a small country.

I guess it gives them something to write about.


Killing In the Name, to which you seem so opposed Enigma

I'm not opposed to it, its the best song on that album, which is the best album they made. However, lets just say it's no 'Today' (Smashing Pumpkins).

[ErikuSz -sXe-]

My favorite album of RATM is the Battle of L.A., best song on the album is 'Maria'.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by ErikuSz -sXe-@May 24 2005, 01:00 PM
My favorite album of RATM is the Battle of L.A., best song on the album is 'Maria'.
I haven't listened to that album in ages, so so average. But listening to that song again, is making my hang over worse.

Ah... Guerrila Radio, relief from the mind numbing noise that is Maria.

[Rage]

All Rage songs are about political issues.

Not all but most. Born of a Broken man is one of the only ones that is not. It is about his father and his mid-life-crisis and the fact that his father was a "Broken man" but he "Isint a Broken man"

Enigma: Listen to Evil Empire and tell me that there songs dont have meaning.


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Rock on!

[Invader Zim]

Where did I claim they didn't have meaning? I claimed they are blunt, with no subtle meaning.

[Che1990]

But is there room for subtlety now? Is that what we really need? Doesn't subtley just ensure that the message is half-hidden, only to be heard by those who can be bothered to read between the lines? In this day and age we need blunt out-right 'This is messed up and we need to do something about it' in-your-face style songs to make people realise. It's another way of getting people to listen. Maybe those who don't like politics but listen to music will hear these songs and decide to act. Rather than thinking 'Wow cool tune, don't know what the lyrics mean but oh well, they probably have some complicated hidden meaning or something'.

[Lefty]

Man, Enigma's hating on everybody. Don't be such an elitist. Geez, we get the point: Zach De La Rocha's lyrics lack the finesse (and cliche teen angst) of Billy Corgan's or whatever. But I think you're kind of missing the point of Rage: it's not supposed to be subtle-it's supposed to be pissed off at the status quo, and get the listener pissed off at said status quo. In my opinion, Rage is a good band because it succeeds so admirably at that task. I mean, don't you just feel like tearing shit up after listening to a few songs off of Evil Empire? If I'm looking for deep lyrics that reflect my conflicted soul, I'll listen to some Smiths or something. But if I want to wake up my inner firebrand, I'll listen to Rage.

[Yazman]

I think the Battle of Los Angeles and the self-titled albums are the best, but Renegades and Evil Empire are good too.

I would also like to say that this is the first topic I've seen Ian post something that wasn't off-topic garbage humour.

[Che1990]

Man, Enigma's hating on everybody. Don't be such an elitist. Geez, we get the point: Zach De La Rocha's lyrics lack the finesse (and cliche teen angst) of Billy Corgan's or whatever. But I think you're kind of missing the point of Rage: it's not supposed to be subtle-it's supposed to be pissed off at the status quo, and get the listener pissed off at said status quo. In my opinion, Rage is a good band because it succeeds so admirably at that task. I mean, don't you just feel like tearing shit up after listening to a few songs off of Evil Empire? If I'm looking for deep lyrics that reflect my conflicted soul, I'll listen to some Smiths or something. But if I want to wake up my inner firebrand, I'll listen to Rage.

Thankyou! At last somebody understands what I'm getting at here! The simple fact is, Rage aren't meant to be subtle. Shit if they were meant to be subtle, why the hell would they be called Rage Against The Machine? Even the name isn't subtle. They are not supposed to be subtle.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2005, 06:54 AM
Man, Enigma's hating on everybody. Don't be such an elitist. Geez, we get the point: Zach De La Rocha's lyrics lack the finesse (and cliche teen angst) of Billy Corgan's or whatever. But I think you're kind of missing the point of Rage: it's not supposed to be subtle-it's supposed to be pissed off at the status quo, and get the listener pissed off at said status quo. In my opinion, Rage is a good band because it succeeds so admirably at that task. I mean, don't you just feel like tearing shit up after listening to a few songs off of Evil Empire? If I'm looking for deep lyrics that reflect my conflicted soul, I'll listen to some Smiths or something. But if I want to wake up my inner firebrand, I'll listen to Rage.
Yes, because I don't like Rage, and think they lack subtlety, makes me an 'elitist'.

Listen up; don't throw around words you clearly don't understand the implications.

The fact of the matter is Rage are a adolesants band, to be quite honest. It's the sort of music 15 year olds listen to, its a type and style of music which transends the bridge between kids pop shite, and music people listen too when they begin to refine their music tastes. Of course some people continue to listen to that kind of music after, but in general, the music is targeted towards and is liked by those I have described.

[KnowYourEnemy]

Well, good or bad or whatever, they are the one band that got me into politics. And I commend them for that.

I try to find their style of rap rock kind of hard hitting political rock, but I can't seem to find any other band like it.

Enigma, you're such a hater. hahaha. Man, I read this whole thing and you guys arguing is hilarious.

[Che NJ]

There will never be another band like RATM. I think their "Live at the grand olympic auditorium" is a good mix of all of their songs in an even more powerful format.

[Nisse]

1/2. Renegades / Self Titled
3. Live At Grand Olympic Audiotourium
4. Battle of Los Angeles
5. Evil Empire

[Clarksist]

I have to agree with Enigma, that there is no subtlety in RATM lyrics. They are very blunt and make no mistake about it, they will have Red Stars and Che pictures in front of your face while singing very bluntly about how they want to overthrow capitalism.

They aren't my favorite band, but I love them alot. If they were more subtle, they might actually lose some of the reason I like them, they say it like it is. Most bands I listen to are Death Metal, Grindcore, or Doom Metal and they are so fucking poetic, sometimes its nice to hear a little funky guitar and some blatant revolution lyrics.

[danny android]

I love rage but. I do think they were one of the best leftist bands. I only have evil empire and renagades which i hear are two of the worst albums but i still love them. when they do hip-hop i can actualy listen to it without turning it off, actually i enjoy it. I am really bummed that i am never going to see them in concert but there are a lot of other leftist bands out there that i really like. has anybody here heared into5pect?

[danny android]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 04:43 PM
Where did I claim they didn't have meaning? I claimed they are blunt, with no subtle meaning.
some times the world needs a big rant.

[C_Rasmussen]

From what I've heard they are WAAAAAY too repetitve for me.

[CCCPneubauten]

Yeah...um...I am 15 and I love Rage and Joy Division (Ian Curtis mentioned above) don't go saying that I listen to crap music. I have all the JD albums as do I have all the RATM albums. And DK, and Black Flag, and Sham 69...und so weiter. Please don’t stereotype.

[Palmares]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2005, 02:43 AM
Where did I claim they didn't have meaning? I claimed they are blunt, with no subtle meaning.
A great of understanding it is comparing RATM to Refused or International Noise Conspiracy. The laater two bands have strongly political lyrics, but its all very much allegory. Well, most of it.

[Rage]

Anyone know some good bootleg sights. I have a lot and am willing to trade. Right now I am looking for the DNC and Mumia Preformances.


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Rock on!

[Organic Revolution]

i really like rage. bummer i only saw them once