Guevaraism

[MKS]

Is there such a thing as Guevaraism? Or was Che a strict Marxist? Did he contribute anything to Communist theory?

[Bolshevist]

Guevara was a Marxist-Leninist. His writings are very interesting, but I do not feel that they constitute a own ideology or a advancement of Marxism. You can find some of his writings at www.marx.org

[lvialviaquez]

I do not claim to be an expert on Che's own philosophy, but it seems to me that his ideology was more concerned with the specific circumstances of the revolutions in which he took part in, as opposed to others whose philosophies could apply anywhere. Also, Che had quite a few ideas about the workings of guerilla warfare.

However, according to Wikipedia:

"One of the leading figures of the Cuban Revolution was Ernesto Guevara. He would not only turn into the icon of 20th century revolutionary struggle, but also attempt to reproduce the experiences made in Cuba in the form of a rather loose ensemble of theoretical reflections, thereby developing outlines of both of a theory of revolution and a conception of socialism come to be known as ‘Guevarism’. Another proponent of Guevarism is the French intellectual Régis Debray, who can be seen as attempting to establish a coherent, unitary theoretical framework on these grounds."

[guerillablack]

Che contributed alot to Marxism.

[Wiesty]

You could define someone who follows che's same beliefs as a Guevarist, but in the end, it would just be like a leninist-marxist-communist-socialist, which is what che was, and many things in those ideals, he did not agree with, not much im sure, but he had a lot of different views. But Guevaraism would just be like many leftist idealologies put together.

[MKS]

But Guevaraism would just be like many leftist idealologies put together.

Maybe we should stop putting "isms" after people's names and try to develop a cohesive bondy of theory, pracital models, etc and just call it Communist Theory.

I think that is what Che was trying to do, to abandon the "cults of peronality" surrounding Lenin, Marx, Engles etc. and to develop a universal code of true socialist/communist revolution.

Dont be so quick to label yourself a Leninst, Stalinist, Marxist, just try to call yourself a communist.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2005, 04:06 PM

But Guevaraism would just be like many leftist idealologies put together.

Maybe we should stop putting "isms" after people's names and try to develop a cohesive bondy of theory, pracital models, etc and just call it Communist Theory.

I think that is what Che was trying to do, to abandon the "cults of peronality" surrounding Lenin, Marx, Engles etc. and to develop a universal code of true socialist/communist revolution.

Dont be so quick to label yourself a Leninst, Stalinist, Marxist, just try to call yourself a communist.
A lot of us don't want Lenninist scum to be ascosiated with communism.

[Hiero]

A lot of us don't want Lenninist scum to be ascosiated with communism.

Besides all the Communist, you fucking idiot.

[Palmares]

Originally posted by Anarcho [email protected] 11 2005, 02:44 AM
A lot of us don't want Lenninist scum to be ascosiated with communism.
Harsh, but I can understand what you are saying in the anti-authoritarian sense.

In regards to "Guevaraism", I wouldn't say that Che neccessarily contributed all that much to Marxist thought, but I would say, if anything, he certainly contributed something in terms of the way in which a revolution could come about.

Perhaps his most notable work was Guerrilla Warfare, and though such tactics have, and had been used in revolutionary circumstances, the main point where he differed is that Che did not neccessarily believe that revolution had to come about when the "neccessary circumstances were present", but rather, that such circumstances could be created.

In that sense, Che would appear not to be a strict Marxist (or Marxist-Leninist) in relation to both dialectical and historical materialism (if you put it in Engels' terms).

If anything, that is what "Guevaraism" could, and might be.

[bolshevik butcher]

I think that leninism is used out of context, i mena if someone cmae up to me in the street and said are you a leninist i might say yeh, but not in the sense that i am a stalinists. Most people that call themselves leninists are infact stalinists.

[Hiero]

Originally posted by Clenched [email protected] 12 2005, 04:23 AM
I think that leninism is used out of context, i mena if someone cmae up to me in the street and said are you a leninist i might say yeh, but not in the sense that i am a stalinists. Most people that call themselves leninists are infact stalinists.
I think you don't have clue. Not once have you concisely put forward what you are.

[Rage]

Reading Andersons biography, I had come to the conclusion that he was a Maoist :blink:


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Rock on!

[MKS]

Reading Andersons biography, I had come to the conclusion that he was a Maoist

How did you come to that conlcusion?

I think he followed more of the Lenin model, becuse he used the Soviet revloution as a "guide" to his revolutionary ideas for Cuba and Latin America, also he was a "believer" in nessecity of the vanguard. However I think Guevara brought a new aspect to revolution, that of anti-american imperialism. (or just anti-imperialism in general) Something Im sure Lenin and even Marx talked of, but Che took it to a new, more active, level.

[workersunity]

i would say he was a great example of a communist and contributed to communism, but i dont think theres a guevaraism

[MKS]

i would say he was a great example of a communist and contributed to communism, but i dont think theres a guevaraism

I agree, its good to see a leader like Che, he didnt look to create a new system of idealogy or to revise an old one, he simply worked for the advancement of Socialism/Communism. It seems every socialist/communist leader through history has been attributed an "ism" (Leninism, Maoism, Trotskyism, etc.) Which makes it hard to eatblish socialism/communism, because there are so many different idealogies, or "sects"