G8 Summit

[Donnie]

Well yesterday while I was protesting at my college (Tony Blair came to our college) I got a newsletter off some Trots and it talked about the G8 coming to Gleneagles, well naturally I’m going to do my best to get there with a few friends to join the demo.

Then demonstration is July 2-6 at Gleneagles which I think is just north of Edinborough?

Anyway I was wondering if anyone else is going?

It seems like the demo is going to be a few days long!
Also I was wondering if some of you people who are going then what are you doing about sleeping arrangements? Personally me and a few anarchists are just going to "Tramp it" lol, as I’m not paying for somewhere to sleep, not unless youth hostels do free accommodation?

[cormacobear]

I've been to one here in Canada, the G8 protests are usually well organized and memorable affairs I'd recomend it to anyone who can to attend. I can't, finding a place to stay is a moot point after a $2000 plane ticket. But i'll keep an eye out for a RevLeft sign. :D

[Intifada]

I might be going, not completely sure though.

[The Feral Underclass]

I'm going. You want to get involved with dissent rather than the "G8 Alternative" which I assume is what these trotters were promoting.

http://www.dissent.org.uk

6th July is a day of action to attempt to blocade the conference. Of course the trotters won't be involved in this because they're too scared...or something like that.

[BOZG]

Actually we are involved in the blockade you fucking tit. Just because unlike you anarchist wankers, we'd rather not bother with symbolic protests, at the drop of a hat, which were never going to acheive anything other than giving an excuse to be demonised and pretty much alienating the majority of the working class.

[Djehuti]

There will be quite a lot from Sweden. I might come as well.

Will there be any protests at all close to Gleneagles, or will all gather at Eddingburg?
Atleast there seems to be blockades...are Dissident still planning the peoples golf tournament (or whatever it is called) at the exclusive Gleneagles golf cource usually reserved for multi millionaires and their kind? That was a great idea...personally, I don't play golf, but if I did, I would really like to play on one of the best courses in the world.

The scottish cops, btw, how are they? They are not very well trained to handle these things, right? And hopefully not as aggro as the English metropolitan cops (or whatever they are called), who are fucking über aggro pigs dancing their billy clubs on every head within reach.

I like the italians, I hope we see much italian activists in July. They are very creative and interesting, and the leftist movement is on a serious rise over there. On 1th of May the autonomous communists and anarchists gathered one HUNDRED THOUSAND (!) in Milano. A very nice event indeed. My favorites, the Disobbedienti has ceased to excist as an organization though, but their people is still around, although involved in other projects and organisations.

Enough of Italy, this is about the G8 summit. I really much want to go there...
Iam not rich, but I could afford Ryan Air...but they are not respecting union rights.
Well, might see ya!


Btw, I hope we will see a Braveheart-Highlander block! :D

[cam]

I must confess that I've never been to any sort of protest such as this one myself but at the same time, Gleneagles is practically on my doorstep, 130 miles down the road at most, & the train from here goes through Gleneagles station on the way to Glasgow.

I'm certainly interested in going to these protests, be they in Gleneagles, Glasgow or Edinburgh.

[bolshevik butcher]

I'm going to the edinburgh one, and if i can get to gleneagles i'l go there, but i bet you the buses and trains'll be off. Hitchiking it is :lol: .

[bolshevik butcher]

Going to the edinburgh one. If it's possible to get ot gleneagles then i will. I have a feeling that they'll close down the buses and trains though. Might just hitchike!!! :lol:

[Donnie]

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 7 2005, 03:02 PM
I'm going. You want to get involved with dissent rather than the "G8 Alternative" which I assume is what these trotters were promoting.

http://www.dissent.org.uk

6th July is a day of action to attempt to blocade the conference. Of course the trotters won't be involved in this because they're too scared...or something like that.
Yes I had a look at Dissent site a while ago, I found the site out because a few of the Trotskyites in the demonstration I was at were taking the piss out of Dissent not having no leader or membership.
I hate it when communists take the piss out of anarchists, I mean talk about "unite and fight"
I suspect their will be a black block? Well if there is ill come in black. Its time for some civil disobedience I think. tehe

[Intifada]

The scottish cops, btw, how are they? They are not very well trained to handle these things, right?

They are "better" than the cops down south, but I could be proven wrong in July.

Anyway, they haven't had to deal with something this big before.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2005, 05:57 PM
Actually we are involved in the blockade you fucking tit.
No need to get personal Stephen!


Just because unlike you anarchist wankers, we'd rather not bother with symbolic protests, at the drop of a hat, which were never going to acheive anything other than giving an excuse to be demonised and pretty much alienating the majority of the working class.

Then why start now?

The class struggle anarchist movement recognise how symbolic this protest is, in fact Organise! has an entire feature dedicated to this debate written by me, so let's not pull up this old chestnut claiming we anarchist "wankers" jump at these demonstrations as if they were the beginning of a revolution, because you're wrong.

If these symbolic protests do nothing but demonise and alienate the working class, why would you trotters get involved? I suppose you need to look like you’re doing something, what with the elections over and done with.

Not to be sectarian or anything.

[h&s]

The scottish cops, btw, how are they? They are not very well trained to handle these things, right?
Well its in the middle of nowhere, away from most of the media, so I'm guessing that they're gonna' be bastards.....
Having said that though, if you don't want to get beaten up, stay around the 'Make Poverty History' idiots ;)

[The Feral Underclass]

Will you be there h&s?

[h&s]

I don't know. There's an ISR camp that I might go on (but I may arrange out of that), but I don't know whether my parents will let me.....(lame, I know, but they are reluctant to let me go on anything violent)

[bolshevik butcher]

Originally posted by h&[email protected] 9 2005, 03:54 PM
I don't know. There's an ISR camp that I might go on (but I may arrange out of that), but I don't know whether my parents will let me.....(lame, I know, but they are reluctant to let me go on anything violent)
h and s there only gonna be at the one in edinburgh, there not coming to gleneagles.

[Donnie]

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 9 2005, 03:49 PM
Will you be there h&s?
H&S?

Also Is it advisable to bring something to "defend" myself with if things get a little ultra police violent because i herd in Geno some guy got killed on one of these G8 protests.
Sorry I’m new to hanging around with anarchists at demonstrations. A few of my friends are anarchists and they say you will probably need a something to protect yourself? Is this true? If I do take something to defend my self with will the cops search me? Do the cops even search people at these sorts of big massive protests?
I’ve only been to small protests.

[BOZG]

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 9 2005, 11:47 AM
Then why start now?

The class struggle anarchist movement recognise how symbolic this protest is, in fact Organise! has an entire feature dedicated to this debate written by me, so let's not pull up this old chestnut claiming we anarchist "wankers" jump at these demonstrations as if they were the beginning of a revolution, because you're wrong.

If these symbolic protests do nothing but demonise and alienate the working class, why would you trotters get involved? I suppose you need to look like you’re doing something, what with the elections over and done with.

Not to be sectarian or anything.
Because it's a question of tactics, not of principles. That's what most "anarchists" don't seem to grasp.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2005, 10:27 PM
Because it's a question of tactics, not of principles. That's what most "anarchists" don't seem to grasp.
No, we get it. We just think it's bollocks!

[h&s]

Originally posted by Clenched Fist+May 9 2005, 07:41 PM--> (Clenched Fist @ May 9 2005, 07:41 PM)
h&[email protected] 9 2005, 03:54 PM
I don't know. There's an ISR camp that I might go on (but I may arrange out of that), but I don't know whether my parents will let me.....(lame, I know, but they are reluctant to let me go on anything violent)
h and s there only gonna be at the one in edinburgh, there not coming to gleneagles. [/b]
ISR are protesting at Gleneagles - I know that for a fact. Why else would they go?

[BOZG]

Originally posted by The Anarchist Tension+May 10 2005, 01:15 PM--> (The Anarchist Tension @ May 10 2005, 01:15 PM)
[email protected] 9 2005, 10:27 PM
Because it's a question of tactics, not of principles. That's what most "anarchists" don't seem to grasp.
No, we get it. We just think it's bollocks! [/b]
Yes because taking a principled stand , with a few hundred people, against several thousand police really acheives things.

[bolshevik butcher]

I think it's foolish to try and intice the police into a fight. Sure if they fight us we should fgiht back, but it's foolish to start a fight.

[OleMarxco]

But what if they force us to "keep in check", by discipline us to move "orderly and peacefully", shouldn't we start a fight then to stop the oppression of the demonstrators who demonstrate for the oppression of workers? :)

[Guest]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2005, 09:01 PM
Also Is it advisable to bring something to "defend" myself with if things get a little ultra police violent because i herd in Geno some guy got killed on one of these G8 protests.
Sorry I’m new to hanging around with anarchists at demonstrations. A few of my friends are anarchists and they say you will probably need a something to protect yourself? Is this true? If I do take something to defend my self with will the cops search me? Do the cops even search people at these sorts of big massive protests?
I’ve only been to small protests.
Do you mean weapons or armor? I would not recoment bringing weapons (at least not large weapons) to the demonstration. If there is need for weapons, you will probably find them on the streets. Bricks and stones are not hard to find, yet effective weapons. Wood and iron poles, and bottles etc could probably aslo be found quickly if needed.

If you would bring some tools/weapons: A screwdriver or the like could be a good tool if you would want to gather stone easy. A slingshot with iron bullets are great, they can penetrate police shields. It would be good to practise some shots before though.

It could be good though to bring a fist of Ammonii Chloridum and or Ammoniac, to use against horses and dogs. Ammonii Chloridum can be thrown right at the nose of the animal, it will flinch away, because of the strong smell. It is however just temporary, the animal will not be hurt. Ammoniac however is stronger, if there is no need to hurt the animal it should be thrown in front of them, not on them.

Small glass/stone balls can also be good against horses, they will believe that there is not firm ground under them, and will thus be reluctant to walk there.

Some armor however is good. You do not need to look lite robocop, but some protection on your arm(s) could be good. Police dogs are trained to bite on the arm that holds the weapon, so if you hold a weapon in your right hand, it is good with protection on your right arm/hand if there is police dogs nearby. Hit the dog on the nose and it will probably release your arm. You can also parry hits with billy clubs with your arm-protection.



The scottish cops have tear gas right? Have a pair of swim googles/cyklop, or even better - a gas mask - ready. A wet scarf or the like is good to have covering your mouth, it makes it easier to breath within a tear gas cloud.

Some sorts of tear gas also affects the skin, I am not sure though if the scottish cops use this kind of tear gas. If so, the only complete protection is to wear clothes all over your body.


How to dress
Some sort of masking is very important! I don't know if its bether to dress casual or black block. A casual activist can move much more freely, and wont be supervised as much. Yet he/she is more easy to identify...the police have hand cameras, and there will probably be cameras hidden all over the place, on roofs, in bushes, etc. There is much harder to identify a person dressed entirely in black, if there is hundreds of others dressed in a very similiar way. Another alternative is another sort of block, for example a tricolor-block: Blue jeans, red hood shirt, and the rest (cap, shoes, scarf) white. You would look allright, and not like the typical militant activist, still you would be quite hard to bind to a specific crime, if your friends and/or other people dress the same.



But the absolut first thing to do if things seems to get violent:
Chase away every civilian cops!
And never loose the initiative, always move; always act.

[Djehuti]

That was me...

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by BOZG+May 10 2005, 05:26 PM--> (BOZG @ May 10 2005, 05:26 PM)
Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 10 2005, 01:15 PM

[email protected] 9 2005, 10:27 PM
Because it's a question of tactics, not of principles. That's what most "anarchists" don't seem to grasp.
No, we get it. We just think it's bollocks!
Yes because taking a principled stand , with a few hundred people, against several thousand police really acheives things. [/b]
It achieves a sense of solidarity and direction for revolutionaries. Dissent have created a model that can, and I have argued should be replicated in communities. Hopefully in time we will see this happening.

If you mean does the actual event itself achieve change, then I agree it doesn't, and I have never argued otherwise.

[bunk]

i wish i could go...

[bolshevik butcher]

please don't start fights with police, if they start fights by all means fight back, but it's foolish to start a battle, it justs makes us look stupid on tv.

[Scottish_Militant]

I will be there as Edinburgh is only a 30 minute drive from home. I will probably be assisting the Hands Off Venezuela campaign in it’s work.

I think it’s stupid to be planning acts of violence for this event, it will achieve nothing but more excuses for the state to clamp down on leftist meetings and organisations. It will also be used heavily by the media against us to tar us all with the same brush.

If people think that by starting fights they are seen to be some sort of courageous “champion of the workers” they are solely mistaken.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2005, 06:31 PM
If people think that by starting fights they are seen to be some sort of courageous “champion of the workers” they are solely mistaken.
Anyone who thinks that people are going there to be courageous "champions of the workers" are out of touch with the anti-G8 movement.

[Monty Cantsin]

If I got arrested at this protest would the British government deport me?

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by Monty [email protected] 18 2005, 02:02 PM
If I got arrested at this protest would the British government deport me?
It depends what you were arrested for and what visa you had.

[Monty Cantsin]

Well I’m gonna have a working holiday visa. So what could they charge me on if I was just in the wrong place at the wrong time, I don’t plan on rioting.

[The Feral Underclass]

The could charge you on anything couldn't they. If you aren't involved in the blocades though, I don't think you have anything to worry about.

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by Clenched [email protected] 13 2005, 04:24 AM
please don't start fights with police, if they start fights by all means fight back, but it's foolish to start a battle, it justs makes us look stupid on tv.
Whilst i agree, it seems as if-as far as rallies go-it's either people-police clash footage or no footage at all. For example in Oz recently there were national student protests concerning the 'Voluntary Student Unionism' legislation of the federal government which threatens the existence of student services and organisations on campus... Anyway, the protests WERE peaceful and they got in total about 25-30 seconds of coverage on the nightly news (and these protests drew thousands).
The coverage itself consisting of a few seconds of shots of people marching, a one sentence explanation as to why students were protesting, followed by a 20 second spot outlining the govts position (ie. why the govt is 'right'). At least if there was some clashes between the protestors and the police it might have given the issue more prominence, but then no doubt it would be spinned against the students, i don't know, it's lose-lose really. The most moronic aspect on the 'violent' protest angle the media runs-with is that the vast majority of the footage they show to accompany these stories, at least the last one they did which i remember, it was footage of police brutality, with no evidence of proportioned response by the police.

[Hegemonicretribution]

I recieved a letter from Christian Aid the a week or so ago asking if I would like to join them there, I believe they have some sort of manifesto they wish to present. I am not exactly very involved, the last time I talked to the guys were months ago, about organising more promotions for a fair trade Island. However it does seem like a good chance to get there.

[bolshevik butcher]

I'm really pissed off with make povery history, they said that they weren't hapy about anit-capitalists coming to demos. Considering they were prtly organised by us that is ridiculous.

[rkn]

Just thought i'd post up a post from Libcom on the same subject as this thread to see if people had any responses to it...


i am not going, i honestly cant see what people hope to achieve out of it, even in a 'best case scenario' type way. i wouldnt be able to get time off work even if i wanted to.

i am also a little apprehensive, because it seems likely a fair few people will get nicked and end up in jail, which is tolerable if you are achieving something worthwhile, but pretty depressing if your not. so roll on lots of benefit gigs, fundraising and letter writing for people who get jailed for really pointless reasons.

[Donnie]

I can't seem to find out the train tickets to Gleneagles? Ive gone on GNER and other such companies and they only tell you what time its leaving. Also the Dissent Network doesn't tell you either.

Also im a little confused do i get tickets to Edinborugh or straight to Glen Eagles.

Also i don't think me and my friends can afford accomodation? Will there be squats set up in Scotland for us to sleep?

[bolshevik butcher]

Donnie, why not leave and arrive on the same night, and ot be honest i think it's likely that gleneagles will be closed off, i wouldn't count on making it. Te bridges may well be cut.

[Donnie]

I wanna go a couple of days early because there are going to be protests in Edinborugh as well.
I live in the midlands and so it will take me 4 hours on the train to Edibourgh.

So basically 8 hours travelling is a little annoying and tireing.

[BOZG]

I'm going to be there from either the 30th or 1st til about the 7th or 8th.

[Donnie]

My collage is actually organising a coach up to Edinborough for the 2nd although there going with "make poverty history" but me and a few of my mates will ditch them and try to get a train from edibourgh to Gleneagles. :)

[BOZG]

The station in Gleneagles is going to be shut down. It's within the Red Zone as far as I know.

[BOZG]

Also, the won't be much action at Gleneagles til nearer the start of the Summit on the 6th.

[Donnie]

So once im in Edinborugh, do you know a way i'll be able to get there for when the summit is?

I take it the rest of the protests up to the 6th are just small ones in Edinborugh?

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2005, 08:10 AM
So once im in Edinborugh, do you know a way i'll be able to get there for when the summit is?
Your best bet is to contact dissent.


I take it the rest of the protests up to the 6th are just small ones in Edinborugh?

http://www.dissent.org.uk/content/section/12/63/

[bolshevik butcher]

The g;eneagles protest is on the 6th, but i wouldn't count on making it there.

[h&s]

Originally posted by Clenched [email protected] 25 2005, 06:22 PM
I'm really pissed off with make povery history, they said that they weren't hapy about anit-capitalists coming to demos. Considering they were prtly organised by us that is ridiculous.
Hey, if you find any SP/ISR guys ask them for a 'make capitalism history' red wristband we'll be selling. Now that will piss off the make poverty histroy people.... :P

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by Clenched [email protected] 27 2005, 02:05 PM
The g;eneagles protest is on the 6th, but i wouldn't count on making it there.
You need to get in touch with your local Dissent group to work with them.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by h&s+May 27 2005, 04:33 PM--> (h&s @ May 27 2005, 04:33 PM)
Clenched [email protected] 25 2005, 06:22 PM
I'm really pissed off with make povery history, they said that they weren't hapy about anit-capitalists coming to demos. Considering they were prtly organised by us that is ridiculous.
Hey, if you find any SP/ISR guys ask them for a 'make capitalism history' red wristband we'll be selling. Now that will piss off the make poverty histroy people.... :P [/b]
Are you going?

[Donnie]

I'm new to big protests (that will hopefull get something done :( i've been on the site of Dissent.org.uk. and have searched everything up. So i know what to get and food and tent etc.

Local Dissent Network? I take it my contact for the Dissent Network will be the Leeds social centre? Ive been to the Leeds social centre and they were having a Dissent Newtork meeting on the 16th May which i missed because i had to work on a Saturday.

Anarchist Tention i take it my best bet of contacting my local dissent network is through the leeds social centre right?

[Andy Bowden]

I live in Scotland, yeah I will be going to Gleneagles as its (compared to you guys) right on my fucking doorstep :lol:

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2005, 06:53 PM
Anarchist Tention i take it my best bet of contacting my local dissent network is through the leeds social centre right?
Definitely.

[Donnie]

Yeh my work is letting me go up. I booked off to July 9th so im pretty much safe. The only thing i need to do now it get a means of transport up to Gleneagles. :( My local group have not contacted me yet. But im going along to a meeting in Leeds this Thursday the group called Leeds for radical change or something along those lines. Hopefully someone will mention something about the G8

[h&s]

Originally posted by The Anarchist Tension+May 27 2005, 03:38 PM--> (The Anarchist Tension @ May 27 2005, 03:38 PM)
Originally posted by h&[email protected] 27 2005, 04:33 PM

Clenched [email protected] 25 2005, 06:22 PM
I'm really pissed off with make povery history, they said that they weren't hapy about anit-capitalists coming to demos. Considering they were prtly organised by us that is ridiculous.
Hey, if you find any SP/ISR guys ask them for a 'make capitalism history' red wristband we'll be selling. Now that will piss off the make poverty histroy people.... :P
Are you going? [/b]
I'm goingto try and make it up there for the weekend.

[bunk]

Is there a strike being organised on one of the days during the G8?

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2005, 10:56 AM
Is there a strike being organised on one of the days during the G8?
I havent heard anything. That doesn't mean there isn't though.

[Monty Cantsin]

I’m still stuck in Australia…so I won’t be able to get there in time, the plans going to the dogs.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by Monty [email protected] 8 2005, 12:45 PM
I’m still stuck in Australia…so I won’t be able to get there in time, the plans going to the dogs.
That's a real shame. Although, it was quite a feat to get from Australia to Britain.

[Donnie]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2005, 09:56 AM
Is there a strike being organised on one of the days during the G8?
I've herd that there is going to be a police strike on the G8 summit as well :huh: . But the the Scottish goverment are supposedly getting the metropolitan police from London for the G8 summit. So it looks like we may be seeing a few familiar faces lol.

[bunk]

I wish i was going but for the people wh ocan't go it would have been good if there was a protest in each major city..

I heard that police thing on libcom as well.....

[Monty Cantsin]

Originally posted by The Anarchist Tension+Jun 8 2005, 11:47 AM--> (The Anarchist Tension @ Jun 8 2005, 11:47 AM)
Monty [email protected] 8 2005, 12:45 PM
I’m still stuck in Australia…so I won’t be able to get there in time, the plans going to the dogs.
That's a real shame. Although, it was quite a feat to get from Australia to Britain. [/b]
I might still be able to come at a latter date but my contact there who was going to put me up seems to be having his own problems to deal with at the moment.

[bunk]

On a resistG8 e-list i got a mail, someone has been in touch with a Bolivian comrade. She asks for us to protest against the transnationals consuming their resources!

[MarxItUpSome]

Originally posted by h&[email protected] 27 2005, 03:33 PM
Hey, if you find any SP/ISR guys ask them for a 'make capitalism history' red wristband we'll be selling. Now that will piss off the make poverty histroy people.... :P
Do you know where I could get my hands on a couple of those if I'm not going to G8?

[spartafc]

i'll be there with ISR (http://www.anticapitalism.org.uk/).
Should be interesting.

[BOZG]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2005, 04:27 PM
i'll be there with ISR (http://www.anticapitalism.org.uk/).
Should be interesting.
I shall see you there comrade. :)