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Tupamaro
4th May 2005, 08:17
Hola, hello, and i founded very interesting this place so far...

here i left a story of an artist from my country (that is, argentina), dedicated to those that support the war

it's in spanish, but i coudlnt translate it, if one can, will be great

greetings

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En 1971 concurrí a un Congreso de Psiquiatría en Moscú y allí establecí contacto con un comisario encargado de Asuntos Culturales que hablaba castellano. Me llevó a varios espectáculos al mediodía, horario elegido para que los obreros de las fábricas pudieran ver teatro gratis. En verdad, las dos veces que fui los teatros estaban atiborrados de obreros con overoles. Un día, tomando algo en el hotel Rusia, me confesó que él había combatido en Stalingrado a los 25 años y que había luchado contra los alemanes hasta la victoria final. Me contó que la ferocidad de la lucha era tal que un día habían descubierto a un oficial alemán que desde una colina mataba con su arma 20 campesinos por día. La posición estratégica de su ubicación le permitía hacer blanco fácilmente y se hacía muy difícil llegar a él. Un día descubrieron que el arma que tiraba sólo tenía carga para 40 balas. Lo habían estudiado. Entonces resolvieron formar un grupo de 50, todos mal armados, para llegar a la colina. Sabían de antemano que sus 40 balas no le iban a alcanzar para matar a los 50. Emprendieron la marcha -bien dispersos- pero el alemán empezó a tirarles. No había forma de apuntarle a él por la altura de la colina. Fueron cayendo los rusos como moscas; el comisario estaba herido en una pierna, lo que no le impedía seguir escalando. De improviso las balas cesaron de oírse. A su alrededor había ocho rusos. La mayoría, campesinos. Los demás estaban muertos. Sin hablar, se miraron. Estaban a sólo quince metros y se levantaron todos juntos hacia la colina. Al llegar se encontraron con un joven alemán asustadísimo al que ya se le habían acabado las municiones y se quería rendir. "Los ocho que quedamos con vida no lo dejamos rendirse. Lo linchamos entre todos. Yo le puedo asegurar que el resto del cuerpo de lo que quedó del soldado alemán era irreconocible como cuerpo humano. Pero lo 'armamos' entre todos y le pusimos el fusil en la mano. Queríamos que los alemanes se lo encontraran así -fragmentado en pedacitos-, para que percibieran el odio terrible que poseíamos. ¡Es que nos mataron 22 millones en la guerra! Entraban a las aldeas y asesinaban a todas las familias rusas. Poco tiempo después se rindieron y de allí partimos los que pudimos a Moscú. Pero la guerra se ganó en Stalingrado y el motor de la victoria no sólo fueron nuestras armas y nuestro coraje sino nuestro odio y nuestro resentimiento. Un odio que nos hacía avanzar en situaciones dificilísimas. La guerra se ganó con el odio ruso. Los soldados alemanes nos temían. Muchos de ellos nos veían llegar y huían despavoridos. Sí, el odio fue importante en la victoria contra los alemanes. A mí me mataron toda mi familia."Recuerdo las palabras que dijo Mao Tse-Tung antes de la Gran Marcha: "Necesito en mi ejército a todos los que tengan odio y resentimiento y que también en los descansos de la lucha puedan ser capaces de reír y de danzar alegremente. No quiero los sobrios, los que mascullan el odio, los quejosos. La Gran Marcha será larga y fatigosa. Es sólo tarea de hombres. Pero hombres que tengan gran capacidad de odio frente al enemigo. Así triunfaremos al final".También recuerdo la cara del Che cuando decía "¡al imperialismo no hay que darle nunca nada -ni un cachito así-, nada!" y su bello rostro tornaba en un bello rostro de hombre feroz. Porque el Che siempre fue bello. Aun cuando odiaba. Cuando el criminal de Bush está por bombardear Bagdad tenemos que sentir odio -no comprensión ni inteligencia- sino simplemente odio que nos contagie el odio frente a la prepotencia de este Hitler del Espacio Vital. Todavía creo que no tenemos el suficiente odio necesario frente a uno de los crímenes más grandes de la humanidad. Y cuando juntemos el odio se propagará por todo el planeta y también por Estados Unidos. Ya llegará el momento, pero el momento llegará cuando realmente comencemos a sentir un odio insoportable y nos juntemos todos con el odio juntos. Tanto odio como sintió el pueblo ruso cuando combatíó con los alemanes en Stalingrado y ganó la guerra imposible.

Eduardo "Tato" PAvlovsky

che's long lost daughter
4th May 2005, 08:56
Bienvenido...have fun (don't know how to say that in SPanish)

Tupamaro
5th May 2005, 22:46
Originally posted by che's long lost [email protected] 4 2005, 07:56 AM
Bienvenido...have fun (don't know how to say that in SPanish)
THX :D

u can say that like:

-que la pases bien (the more accurated one)
-divertite - diviertete (literally)

Tupamaro
6th May 2005, 00:03
Eduardo "Tato" Pavlovsky is an argentinian dramaturg, psicologyst, etc.


finally, the translated document:


In 1971 I went to a Congress of Psychiatry in Moscow and there I established contact with a commissioner in charge of Cultural Matters who spoke Spanish.
He took me to many spectacles at midday, the chosen schedule in order that the workers of the factories could see free theatre.
Really, the two times that I was at the theatres they were stuffed with workers wearing denims.
One day, taking something in the hotel Russia, he confessed to me that he had fought in Stalingrad at the age of 25 and there he had fought against the Germans up to the final victory.
He told me that the ferocity of the fight was such one that one day they had discovered a German officer who from a hill was killing with his weapon 20 peasants per day.
The strategic position of his location allowed him to target easily and it was very difficult to come to him.
One day they discovered that his weapon had load only for 40 bullets. They had studied him.
Then they resolved to form a group of 50, all badly armed, to come to the hill.
They knew in advance that his 40 bullets were not going enough to let him to kill the 50.
So they tackled the march - well dispersed - but the German started shooting them.
There was no way of aiming at him due the height of the hill.
They Russians were falling lik flies; the commissioner was hurt in a leg, but that was not preventing him from continuing climbing. Suddenly the bullets stopped being heard. Around him were eight Russians. Most of them peasants. The others were dead. Without speaking, they looked each other at each other. They were at just only fifteen meters and they got up all together towards the hill.
Once they reach him, they met with a German young man very scared who already wasted the ammunitions and he wanted to give up.

" The eight that we remain alive did not leave it to give up him. We all lynched it.
I can assure you that the rest of the body of what stayed of the German soldier was unrecognizable as a human body. But we all 'assembled' the corpse and we put the gun in the hand. We wanted the Germans to find him like that - fragmented in little pieces-, so that they could percieve the terrible heatre we had inside.
Is that they killed 22 millions in the war! They were entering to the villages and were murdering all the Russian families. Some time later they gave up and from there that we could we depart to Moscow.
But the war was gained in Stalingrad and the engine of the victory was not only our weapon or our courage but our hatred and our resentment. A hatred that was making us advance in the most difficult situations. The war was gained by the Russian hatred...
The German soldiers were afraid of us. Many of them saw us coming and then were fleeing like chicken. Yes, the hatred was important in the victory against the Germans. They killed all my family."
I remember the words that Mao Tse-Tung said before the Great March: " I Need in my army all those who have hatred and resentment and those who also in the rests of the struggle could be capable of laughing and dancing happy. I do not want the sober ones, which mumble the hatred, the complaining ones. The Great March will be long and tiring. It is only a men's task. But men who have great capacity of hatred opposite to the enemy. This way we will finally triumph".
Also I remember the face of the Che when he was saying " and to imperialism, nothing! not even a single litlle piece!" And his beautiful face was turning into a beautiful face of fierce man. Because the Che was always beautiful. Even when hated. When the criminal of Bush is for bombarding Baghdad we have to feel hatred - not neither comprehension nor intelligence - but simply hatred that infects us the hate against the omnipotence of this Hitler of the Living space.
I still believe that we do not have enough hate against to one of the biggest crimes of the humanity. And when we join the hatred it will propagate all over the planet and also in The United States. And the moment will come, but the moment will come when we really begin to feel an unbearable hatred and we all will join with the hatred together. So much hatred as felt the Russian Nation when fought against the Germans in Stalingrad and they gained the impossible war.


Eduardo "Tato" Pavlovsky

KrazyRabidSheep
6th May 2005, 04:06
Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2005, 11:03 PM
Eduardo "Tato" Pavlovsky is an argentinian dramaturg, psicologyst, etc.


finally, the translated document:


In 1971 I went to a Congress of Psychiatry in Moscow and there I established contact with a commissioner in charge of Cultural Matters who spoke Spanish.
He took me to many spectacles at midday, the chosen schedule in order that the workers of the factories could see free theatre.
Really, the two times that I was at the theatres they were stuffed with workers wearing denims.
One day, taking something in the hotel Russia, he confessed to me that he had fought in Stalingrad at the age of 25 and there he had fought against the Germans up to the final victory.
He told me that the ferocity of the fight was such one that one day they had discovered a German officer who from a hill was killing with his weapon 20 peasants per day.
The strategic position of his location allowed him to target easily and it was very difficult to come to him.
One day they discovered that his weapon had load only for 40 bullets. They had studied him.
Then they resolved to form a group of 50, all badly armed, to come to the hill.
They knew in advance that his 40 bullets were not going enough to let him to kill the 50.
So they tackled the march - well dispersed - but the German started shooting them.
There was no way of aiming at him due the height of the hill.
They Russians were falling lik flies; the commissioner was hurt in a leg, but that was not preventing him from continuing climbing. Suddenly the bullets stopped being heard. Around him were eight Russians. Most of them peasants. The others were dead. Without speaking, they looked each other at each other. They were at just only fifteen meters and they got up all together towards the hill.
Once they reach him, they met with a German young man very scared who already wasted the ammunitions and he wanted to give up.

" The eight that we remain alive did not leave it to give up him. We all lynched it.
I can assure you that the rest of the body of what stayed of the German soldier was unrecognizable as a human body. But we all 'assembled' the corpse and we put the gun in the hand. We wanted the Germans to find him like that - fragmented in little pieces-, so that they could percieve the terrible heatre we had inside.
Is that they killed 22 millions in the war! They were entering to the villages and were murdering all the Russian families. Some time later they gave up and from there that we could we depart to Moscow.
But the war was gained in Stalingrad and the engine of the victory was not only our weapon or our courage but our hatred and our resentment. A hatred that was making us advance in the most difficult situations. The war was gained by the Russian hatred...
The German soldiers were afraid of us. Many of them saw us coming and then were fleeing like chicken. Yes, the hatred was important in the victory against the Germans. They killed all my family."
I remember the words that Mao Tse-Tung said before the Great March: " I Need in my army all those who have hatred and resentment and those who also in the rests of the struggle could be capable of laughing and dancing happy. I do not want the sober ones, which mumble the hatred, the complaining ones. The Great March will be long and tiring. It is only a men's task. But men who have great capacity of hatred opposite to the enemy. This way we will finally triumph".
Also I remember the face of the Che when he was saying " and to imperialism, nothing! not even a single litlle piece!" And his beautiful face was turning into a beautiful face of fierce man. Because the Che was always beautiful. Even when hated. When the criminal of Bush is for bombarding Baghdad we have to feel hatred - not neither comprehension nor intelligence - but simply hatred that infects us the hate against the omnipotence of this Hitler of the Living space.
I still believe that we do not have enough hate against to one of the biggest crimes of the humanity. And when we join the hatred it will propagate all over the planet and also in The United States. And the moment will come, but the moment will come when we really begin to feel an unbearable hatred and we all will join with the hatred together. So much hatred as felt the Russian Nation when fought against the Germans in Stalingrad and they gained the impossible war.


Eduardo "Tato" Pavlovsky
crap. . .I was about 3/4th through that. . .oh, well

Hola. :redstar2000:
Somos impacientes verle en el "foro espanol".
No hablo sobre todo espanol, pero es uno de la mayoría de los foros de la diversion aqui en RL. :D aqui (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showforum=19)

Ay! La vaca pequena masticado a traves de mi bolsillo, y ahora esta comiendo mi ropa interior. :unsure: