Revolutionary Anarchism

[spartakus]

This capitalist system of misery has to be destroyed and finished with very soon.

The capitalist system causes lots of pain and an unnecessary suffering for billions of people all over the globe.
Why suffer because of a very small minority who are really the sole beneficiaries of this mass misery.
The declarations of the anarcho-cyber revolution – The oppressed people of the world unite and fight the Empire, the state, the capitalist system and religion.

1) The Real > Exter-Net = Social Revolution.
2) The Virtual > Enter-Net = Cyber Revolution.
3) The Future > Meta-Net = Anarchic Revolution.
One Anarchy – One world – One People - One Humanity – One Equality - One Freedom.
Non-State – Non-Capital – Non-God – Non-Hierarchy – Non-Law – Non-Morals.
An Ultra Anarcho-Cyber quantum leap from cybernetics & simulation to actuality and reality, then from Capitalist Reality to an Anarchic Reality.
Post-Capital Internet – Anarcho-revolutionary boards and forums and anti-authoritarian encyclopedic and info-distribution cyber-centers.
Without reform or compromise – It is either a Global Anarchy or Global Capitalism.
People everywhere are realizing that and now is the time to start changing everything.
The resistance and the revolt has started and is rapidly expanding, we are radically changing the here and now.
Turning the class struggle into a full blown socio-anarchic revolution encompassing the whole world - billions of oppressed individuals barely surviving are roaming this polluted earth looking for an immediate relief.
It is time of revolt and rebellion so we can each design his/her destiny and use the internet for the creation of a concrete social revolution.
Welcome to the Cyber Anarcho-Communist Individualist Revolution.
A World Anarchic revolution - Not a Therapy for the Masses.
Unhappy Civilization and the new Anti-Capitalist Post-Economy.
The start of a new Post-Civilization with an Anarcho-Communist Individualist Meta-Economy – Where the rich remain rich and the poor become rich.
The solution to the nation-state-class religious problem is the theory of Anarcho-Communist Revolutionary Intervention.
The revolution will start mainly in Asia and Africa and then it well spell/spread to the rest of the world.
Anti-Capitalist distribution of wealth and commodity to the whole world.
Revolution ends capitalist economy whilst anarchy will replace the old society – The transformation of capitalism into anarchic post-economic social-relation.
Anarcho-Revolutionary transformation of capitalist political economy into an Anarcho-Communist-Individualist anti-political anti-economy.
Anti-Economy = Post-Economy = Meta-Economy
The left is in demonstrations and many anarchists are marching as well – another street-police coordination and public control.
The conquest of Capital and the limitation of God - From the virtual to the real – From in front of computers out to the streets and from the streets to the computers, a two way revolution.
The capitalist economy is collapsing everywhere - the means of production will be owned by all of us without a state or law.
Anarcho-Revolutionary friendly advice – Stimulate the people and introduce them to anarchism

To help and assist the weak, the exploited and the oppressed and support the poor and the downtrodden – their recovery depends on joining the Anarcho-Social Revolutionary Transformation of Capitalism into Anarchism.
Two Anarcho-universal categories, one for the present and another for the future – The state and politics will disappear.
Democracy will become material equality – Work will be something of the past and everything will be divided equally amongst all - The perfect Meta-Economy.
At last all of humanity will be rich and without self-destruction and destroying the planet – matter will distributed between the people, the producers of everything.
Universal solution to a particular problem and a particular solution to a universal problem – America as the final stage of capitalism and the last empire – The fall of Anarcho-Capitalism.
Seven billion rich owners of the means of production and its commodities in an anti-politico-anti-economical social relation.
Each will get what s/he wants and will give what s/he wants – End Of Capitalism.
Pan-Capitalism = the richest and most techno-industrialized country has the most regressive nation/society. Christians, Muslims and Jews are very disturbed individuals, more than half of them suffer mental deviations, all on the verge of –Theo-psychopathic epidemics.
National liberation is the liberation of the local bourgeoisie from foreign bourgeoisie, the people remain poor and oppressed – South Africa is a good example.
It is the structure of capitalism that is rotten and needs to be replaced quickly. Capitalism is a cruel system for the torturing and enslaving humanity in the most brutal and exploitative methods imagined.

The system kills – kill the system.

[spartakus]

Class liberation is the liberation of the people from their oppressors – liberation from their laws and values, from their modern slavery system.
People are at the centre of the universe, there are no others yet – they/we the people must be at the center of any and all considerations, theoretico-practical and aesthetic.
Economy is designed to destroy the people and turn them into a generation of replaceable salves, for production, peons for war and for serving at order – the techno-servant.
People are reproduced for serving the state and the party, generations are created to serve the organization headed by the richest and most viscous people on earth – you can tell by the living conditions of their employees.
Profit means a broad daylight labor robbery, the higher the profit the more miserable people become, the more prosperous the ruling class, more people join the ranks of the unemployed and have a long brutish life and utter poverty.

Authority should be eliminated and hierarchy broken up for ever and this means the end of stupid competition, the heart and soul of degenerative capitalism.
We are celebrating Anarcho-liberation – personal, social and eventually material liberation – The transformation of national struggle into a class struggle and into a social movement of liberation. Crush local and foreign occupation by revolutionary activity of direct and subversive action + the manipulation of reaction for the intensification of the state-nation and capital total crises.
The end of capitalism is near – the end of the empire is almost now and here. The transformation of class struggle and liberation into a full blown Anarcho-social revolution for we don’t want to slave under capitalism anymore. Anarchy is the only guarantee for our total and lasting equity and freedom.
Religion is an old form of capitalism and democracy is the new form of capitalism – both are exactly same – religion like capitalism is all about greed and lust for the erotically unsatisfied public.

Money is their ultimate god and the root of all crime and violence – desperation within the spectacle.
If a revolution could be made peacefully a revolution would be unnecessary – Intervention from another place – an attitude from another magnitude and dimension
Post internet multi-action – the new psycho-emotional mental/intellectual rebel person.

A crisis caused by the collapse of the psycho-emotional "state of affair" – a transformation to a new level of development or an inter-personal implosion into the abyss.
The creation of a new Anarcho-revolutionary self-determination and self-creation, equipped with an extreme form of a radicalized insurrect intellect.
The advancement of feelings and thoughts and knowledge to a higher matrix of comprehension and pragmatic meta-synthesis.
We have no self-pity but the courage to fight for what is right and just and humane, that is why we are revolutionaries fighting for our freedom and others. A radical shift of the attitude towards the people of the globe, through the acquirement of an alternative consciousness of revolt and emancipation.
The tragic effect of contemporary capitalism on the self and on society – A conscious selection of the instructive + constructive elements in modern slavery, accompanied by a total systematic rejection and repulsion of the negative = state-capitalism.
A compassion and tolerance towards the poor and the downtrodden – solidarity on an Anarcho-revolutionary level and cooperation.
All parliaments will be shut down and governments dissolved and sent home – the army and police dismantled and the banks distributed equally.
The individual effect on the magnitude and on the objective condition (his-story) and the universal application of this personal crisis – The End of Alienation and Ramification.
The termination of mythology, religion and politics which are the sciences of lies and deceit – delimitation of the ontologico-epistimological self.

1) Anti-capitalism means anti-religion, anti-philosophy, anti-science, anti-ethics.
2) Anti-capitalism means anti-ideology, anti-nationalism, anti-state, anti-power.
3) The maintenance of capitalism is the maintenance of mass poverty, organized violence and brute barbaric institutional force.
4) The people of the globe will rise in their might very soon – when consciousness rises people learn and revolt.
5) When the mind begins to feel freedom the person rebels.
6) The rich must be equalized with poor – all of humanity rich in matter and culture.
7)
No one should suffer again because of someone else – anyone who advocates for capitalism is advocating for more violence and crimes against humanity – the advocacy for capitalism is an advocacy for a permanent class war until the revolution of course.
Capitalism is always against the majority of the impoverished people – capitalism is local and foreign terrorism in disguise, counter-terrorism is exactly the same.
A system that enslaves the majority of the people is doomed to a complete destruction unless it resorts to an organized terrorism and violence (war) or nuclear holocaust (military science).
Anarcho-Theoretical Practice + the wo/man that killed nostalgia and meta-physics.
Beyond fear, superstition and tradition – does humility results from humiliation and exploitation? Do all the values and morality arise out of despair, class division, ignorance and extreme discrimination?
To the majority of computer users of the world unite, the role of the Anarcho-revolutionary surfer on the net/web – that's what I have to say – the way things are – the way they ought to be. Let me put it this way – do we always have to start from scratch – it seems so – because all you people everywhere, on the net and otherwise – beside the few – you are all variably similar, as indicated by your synonymous anonymity.
Most of you require urgently the theoretico-practical knowledge, a universal Anarcho-navigation, a post-historical anti-consumerism – the annihilation of the spectacle.
Existence within an established illusion and corporate hallucination – How do socialized pigeons behave, birds fly we walk tall.
A very unfortunate human condition/situation > Anarcho-optimism > Activism toward the construction and the rebuilding of the future = Meta-his-story.
The socio-anarchic social revolution has started, it time now for you to join and take part in designing your sovereign future. From a revolution to an Anarcho-communist individualist society that is based on total equality and total freedom.
The people who changed the world – a revolution in the making.

[redstar2000]

Maybe I'm just getting old...or something. :(

But vague and abstract manifestos are starting to really bore me.

There's nothing in that storm of platitudes to discuss.

Anyone?

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[LSD]

Yeah, I was pretty bored too... until I noticed:

Originally posted by emphasis added
1) Anti-capitalism means anti-religion, anti-philosophy, anti-science, anti-ethics.

What precisely does that mean?

Why exactly should we be "anti-science"?!? :huh:


Let me put it this way – do we always have to start from scratch – it seems so

Right.... so..... what?!?

I think we may have a primativist on our hands!

(either that or just a very confused "anti-science" "Anarchist")


A crisis caused by the collapse of the psycho-emotional "state of affair" – a transformation to a new level of development or an inter-personal implosion into the abyss.

...and I have no idea what that means... :lol:

[Enragé]

"A crisis caused by the collapse of the psycho-emotional "state of affair" – a transformation to a new level of development or an inter-personal implosion into the abyss."

i think he means a crisis caused by a change in mentality, after that one's mentality will either continue on a higher scale or self destruct

[SonofRage]

This guy has been posting stuff like this to various forums forever. It's best to just ignore it =P

[Colombia]

Muslims and Jews are very disturbed individuals, more than half of them suffer mental deviations, all on the verge of –Theo-psychopathic epidemics.

What?! :o

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2005, 02:43 PM

Muslims and Jews are very disturbed individuals, more than half of them suffer mental deviations, all on the verge of –Theo-psychopathic epidemics.

What?! :o
With all due respect, he said "Christians, Muslims and Jews".

This rant might be a little crazy, but we should still offer legitimate criticisms instead of distortions.

Is it safe to say that Judeo-Christian-Islamic tradition is pretty fucking whack? Aye. Could you call it a sort of infectious social plague? I imagine the argument could be made pretty convincingly (actually Dawkins has made that argument - whaddaya know?).

Mental deviations, however, is a dangerous term. What is a mental deviation, and who defines it? Are homosexuals mental deviants? What standard do we hold up as not-deviant? I think this is a big fucking hole - establishing a rhetoric of normal/not-normal is the first step down the road to building ideology (in the negative sense). Instead, we should look at the actual implications of these religious traditions - how they've spread, what they've done, etc., and the underlying conditions. Running around labeling people disturbed doesn't really solve the problem.

[Enragé]

holy shit wait a second, if we're just gonna be as FUNDAMENTALIST ATHEIST as some religious people are fundamental about their religions...we're getting nowhere

[Black Dagger]

if we're just gonna be as FUNDAMENTALIST ATHEIST as some religious people are fundamental about their religions...we're getting nowhere


Except maybe the 'withering away' of religion and other such reactionary superstitions?

[TC]

wow Cyber Revolution...i can dig it man!


lol :-)

[bezdomni]

How can you be so rabidly anti-authority while maintaining the idea of "fundementalist atheism" and revolution? There are few things more authoriatarian than forcing your beliefs (even if they are anti-authoritarian) upon people, or killing another person in order to fulfill your goals. Anarchist revolution is a contradiction and is a falliable idea. You cannot topple a ruling class overnight. In order to stop the class war, there needs to be a transitional government in order to equalise the two competing social classes. If you kill all of the governent, the only thing that will happen is a new (probably more oppressive) government will arise.

Anyway, assuming such a process was possible, how do you expect to run a factory or build a railway system or have any social progress in an anarchist and anti-authority society? A person must give in to the will of others to have any progress acheived for the good of themselves and everybody else. If factory hours are 9-4, you have to concede to the will of the people who run and work at the factory in order for anything to get done.

Please note that I understand Proudhonian anarchists have formulated a transitional state, I don't need to hear it. This is message is addressed directly to spartakus.

[Enragé]

"Except maybe the 'withering away' of religion and other such reactionary superstitions?"

NO, because RELIGION PROSPERS UNDER REPRESSION. Tell someone he or she cannot believe in something without explaining why and he or she will believe in it regardless of what you do. Look at the old warsaw-pact nations! There were more people crying for the pope in those nations than anywhere else in Europe.

On top of that, simply replacing THE UNWAVERING BELIEF THAT THERE IS A GOD with THE UNWAVERING BELIEF THERE IS NOT accomplishes simply the continuation of the AUTHORITARIAN thought that YOU ARE RIGHT and EVERYONE ELSE IS WRONG.

In my country most right wingers actually are that what i like to call FUNDAMENTALIST ATHEISTS.

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by NewKindOfSoldier
In my country most right wingers actually are that what i like to call FUNDAMENTALIST ATHEISTS.

If that were true, the Netherlands would be unique in the entire recorded history of every country in the world.

Therefore, with all due respect, I do not believe you.

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[spartakus]

The change = the revolt that shook the universe
In such a reactionary condition in an extreme state of organizational control there is secrecy and subversion.
The masses, the internet, local people, the national bourgeoisie and its ideology all philosophy and science intellectuals are all the product of the perverted mentality of state capitalist history called the past.

Anti-paranoiac local exposition = negative
Post-paranoid global non-exposition = positive

Alteration of internet communication and the continuation of the unexposed cooperation:

Work - Survival
Capital ownership - Profit
Wage - Poverty
Wealth - Sub-existence
Money - Worker
Boss - Revolution

The abolishment of private property and the state and the creation of anarchy.
If you are all so wonderful, then how come things never happen or change.

Revolution in economy - Meta-economy
Revolution in law - Meta-law
Revolution in politics - Meta-politics

Democracy means the dictatorship of capital and the capitalists. Voting democratically for parliament/government means extending your slavery and continuing your oppression.
The whole capitalist system with its religions and philosophies will be thrown to the garbage of history and in its place an anti-capitalist meta-system will be created the blossoming of anarchy.
The Micro & Macro revolutions - The abolishment of money and exchange and the destruction of all authorities and all states.
The abolishment of banks and all state capitalist institutions and establishment and on their ruins to build a healthy and harmonious coordinative self-managed planning.
The termination of labor management and control over people and matter and the dismantling of the politico-economical and juridical hierarchical infrastructure.
Capitalism causes severe mental and physical problems; it turns us all into an alienated, perverted, violent and sick individuals, called the consumer society the new pithy cliental stupid mentality and manners.
The capitalists well have to learn to live with us without capitalism and comprehend the necessity and intelligence of the anarcho-communist theory.
All the poor will become rich during and after the revolution, transforming the dispossessed class into a rich anti-class magnitude the final fall of the empire.
A new social relation that is based on all being rich and equal - this the future for humanity, and we are the grave diggers of the state, law and capitalism.
Everyone will live free and equal in anarchy without capital or its circulation of mass misery. What has capitalism gave us since its inception but destroyed peoples and raped and looted planet. It is we who have to live on this ruined, abused and toxic environment called planet earth what the next generation is going do, where they are going to breathe and drink.
The free market is the name given for collective poverty and social misery capitalism like state communism are anachronistic and authoritarian and should be overcome immediately.
Capitalism and religion bring about the worst in everyone ideology makes people obedient and frightened.
Save yourselves or be saved by someone else if capitalism defeated socialism then anarchism will defeat capitalism.

[Enragé]

Originally posted by redstar2000+May 7 2005, 03:26 AM--> (redstar2000 @ May 7 2005, 03:26 AM)
NewKindOfSoldier
In my country most right wingers actually are that what i like to call FUNDAMENTALIST ATHEISTS.

If that were true, the Netherlands would be unique in the entire recorded history of every country in the world.

Therefore, with all due respect, I do not believe you.

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http://www.pim-fortuyn.nl/ (right wing fascist party)

AND ALOT OF THE PARTIES LIKE THESE FOLLOW ONE MAN:
Pim Fortuyn, he was shot by a left wing environmentalist radical yesterday 3 yrs ago. They are ALL anti-islam, ALL anti-religion. Those parties represent the single most important threat to any sane way of thinking in the netherlands. As a comparison: THERE IS ONLY ONE CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALIST PARTY with limited support. THERE ARE DOZENS WHICH FOLLOW PIM FORTUYN'S THOUGHTS.

http://indymedia.nl/nl/2004/12/23790.shtml

the farthest to the right is the leader of one of the "fortuynist" factions.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2005, 03:00 AM
How can you be so rabidly anti-authority while maintaining the idea of "fundementalist atheism" and revolution?
The anarchist movement should be anti-religious. The same way it should be anti-fascist.

Revolution can be peaceful. It is when the ruling class come and attack us when it gets nasty. When they come to stop what is justifiable change, we must defend ourselves.


There are few things more authoriatarian than forcing your beliefs (even if they are anti-authoritarian) upon people, or killing another person in order to fulfill your goals.

Who said anything about forcing people to accept out beliefs. Unfortunatly however, it may be necessary to kill someone. If someone points a gun at you and you also have a gun and they will kill you unless you kill them first, what is your reaction?

It is the same in a revolutionary situation.


Anarchist revolution is a contradiction

Only since the pacification and distortion made by individualists. The first proponents of anarchism, the founders of the theory if you like, all accepted revolution and the use of violence as a means for change - Bakunin, Malatesta, Rocker and Kropotkin alike.


In order to stop the class war, there needs to be a transitional government in order to equalise the two competing social classes.

That depends on how you define government really? How do you define it?


If you kill all of the governent, the only thing that will happen is a new (probably more oppressive) government will arise.

Any societal change will come about after years of struggle. It isn't just about killing the goverment. It is about the self-struggle of the working class, which will take a considerable amount of time before the mass of people demand change.


Anyway, assuming such a process was possible, how do you expect to run a factory or build a railway system or have any social progress in an anarchist and anti-authority society? A person must give in to the will of others to have any progress acheived for the good of themselves and everybody else.

Well, that's precisly the point. In a revolutionary and post revolutionary society people will want to work together. That would have been the point of the revolution.

Take note of the Spanish Revolution where anarchism was applied in all walks of life and was a success.


If factory hours are 9-4, you have to concede to the will of the people who run and work at the factory in order for anything to get done.

I don't really see what your point is.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2005, 02:52 AM
"Except maybe the 'withering away' of religion and other such reactionary superstitions?"

NO, because RELIGION PROSPERS UNDER REPRESSION. Tell someone he or she cannot believe in something without explaining why and he or she will believe in it regardless of what you do. Look at the old warsaw-pact nations! There were more people crying for the pope in those nations than anywhere else in Europe.

On top of that, simply replacing THE UNWAVERING BELIEF THAT THERE IS A GOD with THE UNWAVERING BELIEF THERE IS NOT accomplishes simply the continuation of the AUTHORITARIAN thought that YOU ARE RIGHT and EVERYONE ELSE IS WRONG.

In my country most right wingers actually are that what i like to call FUNDAMENTALIST ATHEISTS.
I think you missed his point entirely. No one is talking about suppressing individual thought.

Religious institutions are reactionary and should be defended against. They create lies and they create oppression. We have a justification to get rid of them.

the "withering away" of religion comes about when there is no need to believe in god. I think it is acceptable and important for anarchsits to take an atheist position. God deson't exist. People need to be free, and one day will be hopefully, from the illusions of a supreme being.

[Enragé]

This
"Except maybe the 'withering away' of religion and other such reactionary superstitions?"

was in response to this:

"if we're just gonna be as FUNDAMENTALIST ATHEIST as some religious people are fundamental about their religions...we're getting nowhere"

It had nothing to do with fundamentalist religious organisations. They should be destroyed. What i meant was that if people want to believe in God, let them. There will always be some reason for people to do so. Therefore we should not become so atheist, so convinced of god not existing (which i am not by the way, im agnost) that we oppress those who do believe god exist, in the same way those who didnt believe in god were/are oppressed by those who were so convinced of god existing.

[The Feral Underclass]

But god doesn't exist.

[Forward Union]

Non-State – Non-Capital – Non-God – Non-Hierarchy – Non-Law – Non-Morals.


WTF?

[Enragé]

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 7 2005, 03:36 PM
But god doesn't exist.
2 things:

-How the fuck can you be SURE?
-An islamic/christian/jewish etc person would say:
"But god does exist."

See the similarity between you and the islamic/etc dude?

[NovelGentry]

-An islamic/christian/jewish etc person would say:
"But god does exist."

Why is it that religious people aren't treated with the same type of distaste as are conspiracy nuts or people who believe in things like bigfoot and that they were abducted and all this stuff? Personally I find bigfoot a lot easier to believe in than God.

Acceptable:

There's this old guy... really old. He's invisible, he's all powerful. He knows when you will die, and he judges you when you die and sends you to a place of fire and brimstone if you were bad.

Laughable:

There's this baby... some fat baby that crawls around. It's invisible, all powerful. It watches you when you're awake and asleep, it makes a list, and when you die if you're on it's bad list you constantly urinate acid onto yourself.

[Enragé]

"Personally I find bigfoot a lot easier to believe in than God."

Thats your personal belief. If someone believes otherwise, let them.

[NovelGentry]

"Personally I find bigfoot a lot easier to believe in than God."

Thats your personal belief. If someone believes otherwise, let them.

I can't make someone believe something. But I can make fun of them for believing it.

[Enragé]

"I can't make someone believe something. But I can make fun of them for believing it."

Yes you can, and they'll hate you for it. Well done, that will surely unite the people.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

See, but the idea isn't to unite with reactionaries - it's to change them, or, that failing, smash them.
Why the hell would we want to unite with class enemies on their terms?

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2005, 12:37 AM
-How the fuck can you be SURE?

There's no proof that he exists. Surely it's just illogical to belief in something that cannot be proven.


-An islamic/christian/jewish etc person would say:
"But god does exist."

And they would be equally as wrong as you.


See the similarity between you and the islamic/etc dude?

No.

[SonofRage]

Originally posted by NewKindOfSoldier+May 7 2005, 07:37 PM--> (NewKindOfSoldier @ May 7 2005, 07:37 PM)
The Anarchist [email protected] 7 2005, 03:36 PM
But god doesn't exist.
2 things:

-How the fuck can you be SURE?
-An islamic/christian/jewish etc person would say:
"But god does exist."

See the similarity between you and the islamic/etc dude? [/b]
I can't be sure that a band of Sugar Plum Fairies aren't living in my ass crack either, but I really doubt it.

[Enragé]

"See, but the idea isn't to unite with reactionaries - it's to change them, or, that failing, smash them.
Why the hell would we want to unite with class enemies on their terms? "

Not every religious person is a reactionary or a class enemy.


"There's no proof that he exists. Surely it's just illogical to belief in something that cannot be proven"

perhaps. But its equally illogical to dismiss something just because its not proven.Lots of things which werent proven 100 yrs ago are proven now. Does it make something less true just because it isnt proved yet?


"No. "

In essence you and the islamic dude are the same. Both of you believe vehemently in something which one cannot be a 100% sure of.


"I can't be sure that a band of Sugar Plum Fairies aren't living in my ass crack either, but I really doubt it. "

I've got nothing against doubt. Just keep your mind open, just because YOU think/believe it isnt so doesnt mean it aint true.


and fuck, why do i always become the devil's advocate? :P

[Edit: I embedded the quotes. Please can you use the quote embedding option in the future, it makes it easier to read your posts]

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2005, 04:20 PM
In essence you and the islamic dude are the same. Both of you believe vehemently in something which one cannot be a 100% sure of.
The fact that it is materially inconcievable for god to exist is proof enough, wouldn't you say?

If you except that there is a possibility that god exists, you have to accept the possibility that sugar plum fairies live in SonofRage's arse crack? Do you accept such a possibility?

Just because someone claims something to be true, does not mean it is. The religious claim god exists yet have no evidence to support the claim, yet a large majority of people accept it, and then a quarter or the remaining people leave it open for discussion. Why?

Should we leave open the discussion that you are not real and that we are all, in fact, pieces of sweat? I claim it to be true, and I have no evidence to proof it however.

[Enragé]

The fact that it is materially inconcievable for god to exist is proof enough, wouldn't you say?



true


If you except that there is a possibility that god exists, you have to accept the possibility that sugar plum fairies live in SonofRage's arse crack? Do you accept such a possibility?

hey who knows? If he wants to believe that, who cares. Maybe if he searches hard enough he can or cannot find them :P


Just because someone claims something to be true, does not mean it is.

My point exactly, so this would also mean that just because someone claims something to not be true, does not mean it is ;)


Should we leave open the discussion that you are not real and that we are all, in fact, pieces of sweat? I claim it to be true, and I have no evidence to proof it however.

Why not? This is by the way exactly what, say, philosophy is about. Question everything. There's a whole school of thought even who claims we only exist because we think we do, and other people think we do as well.

btw sorry about the quotes, its just that i most of the times use fast reply.

[Palmares]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2005, 01:20 AM
Not every religious person is a reactionary or a class enemy.
This is an interesting point.

The question has to be asked: what relation has religion to a non-capitalist system, and in this case, anarchism?

But what is religion?

Personally, I believe there is a divide between institutionalised religion, and spirituality. The former is a hierarchical body that brainwashes its adherents and those interested en masse, whereas the latter is simply an exploration of existence and self through the cleansing of the mind.

Hmmm... that kinda sounded weird.

But in essense, one is characterised by dogma and brainwashing (by a hierarchy), the other, by an open mind and the self.

In an anarchistic system, it is not a matter of people being allowed to be religious, but rather, a matter of whether, through the process of clearing their mind of capitalist propaganda and culture, whether such beliefs will remain. It is unlikely they will, due to both they way in which religion is taught and maintained is contrary to anarchistic practices, and indeed so are the beliefs themselves.

Could the same be said of spirituality?

Hard to say really. Depends on how it is taught and maintained, and what the specific beliefs are.

But then again, by withering away, Marx meant religion would "no longer be neccessary". And in a utopian-type society, would religion matter at all?

The ways in which religion and spirituality are used to explain and numb things would be replaced .

In a liberal type democratic socialism, perhaps religion may exist.

But in a post-revolutionary society itsimply wouldn't.

[Enragé]

Personally, I believe there is a divide between institutionalised religion, and spirituality. The former is a hierarchical body that brainwashes its adherents and those interested en masse, whereas the latter is simply an exploration of existence and self through the cleansing of the mind.

Hmmm... that kinda sounded weird.

But in essense, one is characterised by dogma and brainwashing (by a hierarchy), the other, by an open mind and the self.



I agree. I was talking more about spirituality than "fixed" dogmatic religious systems.



But then again, by withering away, Marx meant religion would "no longer be neccessary". And in a utopian-type society, would religion matter at all?

Untill science has answered every single question there is, spirituality/a form of religion will probably always exist, just because people sometimes need an explanation of the inexplainable, or they just want to feeel like there's something/some one who cares for them no matter what.

[Palmares]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2005, 04:13 AM
Untill science has answered every single question there is, spirituality/a form of religion will probably always exist, just because people sometimes need an explanation of the inexplainable, or they just want to feeel like there's something/some one who cares for them no matter what.
That is a fair point. Spirituality can be a very open-ended term.

For example, not believing in materialism could be interpreted as such. Afterall, many people who are non-materialists are open to such possibilites.

And I doubt everyone will be materialists...

[spartakus]

Non-armed revolution and how to destroy capitalism completely

A revolution for the total destruction of capital and classes.
Anarchy is without poor or rich, without bosses and workers and without leaders and lead.
Acting directly and indirectly towards the abolishment of the capitalist system.
The fall of science, philosophy and ethics.
The collapse of the state and the creation instead of a coordinated cooperation without any form of formal or informal hierarchical organization.
Words and knowledge that will stay true and correct for centuries to come.
We live today as there is no tomorrow and we live tomorrow as we are dead today.
Consciousness is anti-dialectical, like anarchism it is meta-dialectically materialist.
Metaphysical idealism causes ignorance and semi-consciousness.
Anarcho-meta-dialectical materialism.

Religion, capitalism and the state are going to disappear from the face of the planet, it is their last decade, i.e., from the years 2005 to 2015 CIA – we will treat our bloody and sweaty past history as a lesson to be well remember and never forgotten.

Abolish business – it is a permanent chain around your neck – break it away – liberate your self with the help of others – don’t let anyone ever rule you – never rule anyone else.
Sack the bosses – expel the leaders – don't choose a representative but yourself – break your oppressor and bring down the state and capital.
Take back what is yours – your freedom and joy – take all the wealth and distribute it equally amongst all – the people are always robbed of everything, it is time to demand everything back and have the courage to conquer their punishment.
Down to private ownership of the means of substance – down to private ownership of social production – down to private ownership over our lives.

An awakening stimulation to raise the dead brains.
Anti-psychiatric anti-therapy.
The meta-job.
We forget but never forgive.
Alone together.

Enough shit has been produced since 1705 – 2005 – 300 hundred years of war and slavery -it is time for some thing human – we need something different and new – not hunger and destitution.
Can we achieve this post-capital-shit situation or are we doomed to infinite pain and suffering.
Structural collapse of so the called brutal modernity – save your sovereignty whilst you still can – the quality of your destiny is at stake here – you either submit or fight.
First, shock and shake that system and then demolish it completely – we put an anarchic society instead.
Capitalists make their profits by stealing our lives and labor – the ruling class is a gangster clique that uses violence and exploitation to prosper and increase profit.
The upper class causes the rest to suffer and die young – the leaders of finance and politics are tyrants without borders or limits.
They sell us the water we drink – they sell us the food we eat – the rent us the shelter to sleep and sell us the clothe to wear – but not for long – no one has the right to turn my survival into a very profitable business for the few.
We will not self-destruct and disappear as they might wish – we are here to stay a win our freedom and live our equality.

[Colombia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2005, 12:57 PM

The fall of science, philosophy and ethics.

Why? Science is very productive in today's world.

[spartakus]

The system that destroys mind and matter

The capitalist system is the cause of all modern barbarism. Capitalism is an economical cannibalism; it kills and devours people for profit.
Capitalism is a mass killing machine just like the Romans and Chingis Khan but in the disguise of finance and personal investments.
Capitalism is an amalgamation of pain, blood and sweat. Capitalism is the concentration of stolen labor and confiscated land. Capitalism is the primary cause of disease, mental and medical. Capitalism causes 90% of all violence in the world, the blood/sweat thirst of capital.
The toxic fangs of capital, the vampires are the ruling class and their lackey's, the parasite lurking over other people's labor, the executioners of freedom and love.
Capitalists are sucker parasites feeding on humanity, predation on all collective benefits, accumulating their loot for further infinite expansion called the business cycle.
The rich and their banks and stock exchange will have learned to live without them; their parasitic practices will be terminated for ever. No more excuses for neither buying nor selling.
The people of the world will take control over their food and shelter and all the rest of it and get rid of the leaders of capital and terminate their beloved pyramid the state.
Capitalism makes the world ugly and by its nature it is greedy and stingy. On the ruins of modern capitalism we will have free people living without barter or exchange, without a need for a symbolic mediation, living through direct conscious distribution of production and consumption.
God and capital and the state are dead, anarchists have killed them in the last 200 years. We have killed them because they deserve to vanish from our existence, what they have left behind in their glorious historic march is nothing but slavery, global misery and devastation.
We destroy capital and the state to liberate humanity from its hypnotic social grip and its desperate repulsive reappearance as a spectacle of the negative dimension.
Capitalism is an historical perversion and the state is a manic deviation. Anarchism defeats the state and capitalism and offers humanity something that is worthy of their posture, a labor of love or the love of labor, beauty instead of horror

C I A – Communist Individualist Anarchism

[Eastside Revolt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2005, 04:02 PM

The fact that it is materially inconcievable for god to exist is proof enough, wouldn't you say?



true


If you except that there is a possibility that god exists, you have to accept the possibility that sugar plum fairies live in SonofRage's arse crack? Do you accept such a possibility?

hey who knows? If he wants to believe that, who cares. Maybe if he searches hard enough he can or cannot find them :P


Just because someone claims something to be true, does not mean it is.

My point exactly, so this would also mean that just because someone claims something to not be true, does not mean it is ;)


Should we leave open the discussion that you are not real and that we are all, in fact, pieces of sweat? I claim it to be true, and I have no evidence to proof it however.

Why not? This is by the way exactly what, say, philosophy is about. Question everything. There's a whole school of thought even who claims we only exist because we think we do, and other people think we do as well.

btw sorry about the quotes, its just that i most of the times use fast reply.
You're completely missing the point.

Ofcourse we can't prove whether or not an all powerful being created our universe. We can though, be most certainly sure that there is no being which gives a shit about our lives. So in the islamic, judeo-christian sense, there is clearly no god.

And even if there were a god, it clearly has no effect on us, and it would therefore be irrational to take that god into account. Agreed?

[fallen camarade]

Wow...this is hilarious..

First, we have a conversation about worldwide anarchistic revolution. May I ask a question, if I may? How many of you fifteen year old whining *****es have accomplished ANYTHING since taking on your cool and ultra-hip anarchist persona? Anything? Have you toppled any government? Have you even done anything on the local level? Do you read any newspapers to just get the gist of what is going on? Do you even know what is going on in your local communities? I appreciate the one world community approach, but even that has it's problems, being a very western concept in the first place. You are lame...just stop.

And secondly, we have the wonderful "You can only be a cool philosophical, self-proclaimed genius if you say believing in God is weak" bit. You people actually think that just because the way your human lives work out, or don't, in one way or another, that that actually proves or disproves the nature, or even existence, of a God. God doesn't even have to make sense. We don't necessarily have to be capable of understanding God, if it does exist. I don't know, and neither does anyone else. If find it hilarious how all of you Nietzche hipsters feed off of the old "God is Dead" phrase, when Nietzche himself opened up the door to the fact that we can't know jack shit about any of this God thing when he said something along the lines of "Why can't this existence not be reality? Why can't God's reality not exist?". Something like that. It doesn't matter what the exact phrasing was. The point is that we have NOTHING to work with, and you are simply retarded if you think you can prove or disprove of God absolutely with "logic", whatever the hell that is. Just because human concepts of God fail, doesn't mean god does not exist. Every single one of you trendy, closed-minded, arrogant morons who are claiming believing in God is a weak just because the world's religions don't appeal to you are all disgraces to philosophy in general. Maybe there is not a God...that's possible. However, using "reason" when studying something that is along the lines of the supernatural is obviously not going to accomplish anything. Congrats for not being old enough to put simple thoughts together.

And...anarchist tension...it's good to see that you are still on here, so I can rip you apart. I find it hilarious how you are all "anarchism is cool, and capitalism, and the west in general is wrong", when you yourself are completely and entirely consumed by the western religion of science, and think that just because something cannot be measured materially, it therefore can't exist. It's spirituality, idiot. You are saying that because God cannot be touched or seen, that it therefore is like a fairytale. Here is some food for thought: What if God was in everything you see right now? Maybe it's true, maybe it's not. Who knows? What if everything was God, and you are just a piece of it, in which case, it sure as hell can be measured? The fact of the matter is that we have nothing to work with in the search to find what God is, and yet, you think that you have proven something by taking one, single, man-made process, and applying it where it may not work at all. There are infinite possibilities, and because one of those possibilities (the one that comes from the part of the world and philosophy that you claim to not be a part of), you decide that God cannot exist ever, and that all that disagree with you are wrong? Yeah...you are just a friggen genius. Who said God has to be tangible? Who says God has to have form? And if God did have form, do you honestly think there is a single thing it could do to prove it's own existence? God could move the mountains, turn the colors of the sky, and turn the ocean into cheese, and you and your science religionists would try to find someway to prove that some odd occurence with the ozone layer or some shit caused it to happen, while all of the other religions of the world would say that it was the devil's work. There is absolutely nothing God could do that would prove, without doubt, that it exists, to absolutely everyone, especially to fucks like you who think you know everything, just because a science book or philosophical god you worship, told you so.

Edit: Anarchist Tension, I am not sure why I assumed you were from the States, but I did when I posted this. Because of that, some of the comments with the word "western" in them, may not apply as well. However, the word "Europen", or phrase "euro-mindset", can be put in place of them, and it still makes sense. The concept is still the same, and you still have nothing to back your extremely invalid points. So there...*chuckle*

Man...this isn't even worth the stress this is causing on my fingers while typing this. Take a bow, ladies....you are officially ignorant. Not because you are wrong in saying that God does not exist, but because you base it on absolutely NOTHING. If you believe there is not God, than fine...it's a decent point. However, have fun trying to make a decent argument to defend it....because there are none, other than "because I said so".

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

May I ask a question, if I may? How many of you fifteen year old whining *****es have accomplished ANYTHING since taking on your cool and ultra-hip anarchist persona? Anything?

Actually, most of us are not fifteen, and you might be surprised how much some of us have accomplished. The matter of developing and carrying out practical projects in the process of building a better world tends to get more done than shit-talking (and with distinctly patriarchal undertones).


You are lame...just stop.

The practical work many of us have been doing?


the western religion of science

Religion of science?
That's funny, science implies a process - that's distinctly different than a set of dogmas.

Can we be certain God doesn't exist? No - but we can't be 100% certain of anything.

However, despite this, we must develop understandings and practices that reflect the most advanced and realistic understandings we can develop.

If denying God is "retarded" (if you'll excuse my borrowing), than believing in God is akin to having the intellectual capacity of a doorknob. Basing ones' practice on belief in a God is like being a doorknob attached to the rotting corpse of a cleric (useless, difficult to justify, and more than a little weird).


Take a bow, ladies

Eat me, sexist pig.

[fallen camarade]

Alright...I'm not even going to approach your "sexist" deal. That's just to funny. Some of us have the sensibility to know when one is, on purpose, going overboard, just for effect, like I was doing when I said "Take a bow, ladies". I was being eccentric for the sake of getting a rise out of people, and apparently it worked. Learn to laugh.

Secondly, when did I say I was against change, and working for a better world? I'm just against people saying things like "Down with system! It's time for anarchism to take charge", when those same people are still going to work, still buying cars and living in large houses, etc. Anarchism is a great ideology...but where is the action, and what has it accomplished so far? If you've honestly created change in wherever you live, than congrats. I appreciate you and what you've done, and that particular comment doesn't apply to you. However, I do recall a post way back, where people were asked to tell their age, and well over the majority of the people who posted were half way through high school, if that. I feel pretty confident that they have not toppled any governments any time recently. Again, being eccentric can be enjoyable...learn to be sensible and pick out when I'm being precise, and when I'm embellishing. I obviously don't know everyone's age, and ever single person in here has or has not accomplished. As you are asking me to be realistic, it may be wise to practice what you preach.

And I'd be interested in hearing what your "practical work" has done. Let me know. I'm seriously curious.

You actually tried to critisize me saying "religion of science"? Wow...again with learning to be sensible. I don't know what it is with you philosophes and nitpicking, but, I'm obviously trying to imply something by saying the "religion of science", as in the mindsets of most in here trust science like an absolute.

Which leads to the next point: You still aren't getting the concept I was trying to deliver. Your point to defend atheism was the same one that has been mentioned over and over again. Your claim was that it is that believing in God is "akin to having the intellectual capacity of a doorknob". A very western based, materialistic argument. God can't be measured with science, so therefore, there is no God. That is the claim. This is the metaphorical meaning I gave to calling science a religion. As I said last time, there are infinite possibilities as to how God could exist, or found to exist. You, calling yourself an "intellectual" (ie. spiritless egotist), believe in science before anything else. Not neccessarily "wrong", but one of many possibilities. So, you use science, and decide "Well, science cannot measure God, so therefore, there is no such thing, and it is highly unintellectual to believe in God". Because of this, science is like a religion to you, because that one possibility out of trillions doesn't work, so you use nothing else, and just decide that God doesn't exist, just because science can't explain such a thing.

You using science makes you no better than one who uses belief. Belief without reason is just as much a possibility. The problem, is that you call yourself an "intellectual", which means someone who thinks better than most. You then say that it is highly unintellectual to think otherwise, or to feel God instead of prove him. So, therefore what you are saying is "I am smart, and the cornerstone of human intelligence, and what I use as a model is the best and only way, and what everyone else does is primitive and stupid". You see, you are biased, egotistical, and unequipped to be spiritual. At least those who believe can still refer to science, and be open-minded about what science has to say. You just say, "Well, you can't be an intellectual unless science is your way". Therefore, science is like your religion, and doesn't make you any better than a Chrisitian fundamentalist who says that "I am smart, and the cornerstone of human awareness, and what I use as a model (Christianity and it's lessons) is the best and only way, and everyone else is a sinner, and will burn in hell".

You know why you don't get it? Because you can't. I'm not even talking about being right. I'm simply saying, that most spiritual people I know, can also give science a chance. However, you are simply not capable of processing other lines of thought, other than your religion of science. Considering that fact, it could almost be said that it is YOU who are not an intellectual, as the spiritualists are wise enough to give ALL possibilities thought, and you can't even see past your own model.

You also were foolish enough to rag on religious practice. Are you serious? Being correct or incorrect about God put aside, people who base their actions and practices on religious creed are some of the most peaceful, most important people in human history. Given, some of the cruelest people in our history have also based their actions on their take on religious concepts, but the same goes for unreligious people, also. People who TRULY follow their practices, are highly ethical, respectful people.

I find it funny how you basically said that there is no way to be sure of God, but that "we must develop understandings and practices that reflect the most advanced and realistic understandings we can develop." Says who? Who the hell are you to say what we "must" do? Does it not completely destroy you argument when you say that nothing can be known for sure, but we must base everything we do on "realistic" practices? What the hell can you prove about reality? Isn't that the whole debate here...that you DON'T know, which you yourself admitted? If you have an all around rock solid outline of what exactly reality is, then I'd hope that you would share it with everyone on this message board, and every scientist and religionist in the world, because everyone else that has ever lived has been trying for millenia to figure it out.

You obvioulsy didn't think your post through very well, because I could go on for hours about just how off you are, and just how far away you obviously are from understanding what I'm saying. If I were you, I wouldn't waste my precious life posting back to this, especially when you don't know what you are talking about. After all, there is no God or afterlife, right? Might as well spend your time doing something better, like starting a revolution. Good luck with that.

P.S. - That was me being eccentric again, in case you weren't capable of noticing like last time.

[spartakus]

Dear revolutionaries – Greetings still from the hell of the future

The "development" of capitalism is a total and permanent human crisis, physically and psycho-emotionally.
The forces of politico-economical powers are one and the same thing but in different periods and faces, operating within historical conditioning on a global scale.
The head, body and tail of the capitalist beast which is humanly sick and perverted in its social relations, based on usurers, conmen and speculators. Under the disguise of post-barter exchange they legalize their stolen profit and labor loot.
A system of universal suffering wars and poverty, a global system of robbery of all resources, exploitation and then after ruining the planet and human life they hide in remote country sides or well hidden bunkers.
A system of violent and viscous powers ruled and conducted by politico-fiscal tyrants and rich megalomaniacs, who swindled humanity in controlling its entire human and natural resources.
Crimes against humanity what this system does because it is based on a capitalist legal form of socio-economical criminality, an officially recognized egoism and ambitious lust and greed as a substitute for the lack of genuine pleasure.
The hierarchy is severely perverted; it has created monsters of powers that were encouraged to become so, leaders who are mentally shallow and instable, like the ones we have today and as it always in the past.
Neither left nor right of capital will save us from a determined doom, but a conscious socio-anarchic revolution lead by the people themselves with a little help from anarcho-revolutionary friends.
The anarcho-social revolution is a real solution to a real problem; only anarchy can dissolve capitalism and bring it to a halt. How to stop capitalism from killing humanity quickly and gradually in the name of free marketeering and a ruling class democracy?
We can stop this destructive self-blinded march in the quest for more and more billions of dollars and universal domination.
How long capitalism is going to devour us and later excrete us for recycling our submission and obedience? When will the capitalist system become obsolete? Can we fasten the process of its disintegration as was the case in the socialist system.
When will this criminal and brutal system disappear and free humanity from its nasty yoke? When will it self-destruct and how? Well, the answer to all these urgent problems is our anarcho-revolutionary activity in the last fifty years.
Freedom fighters in theory and practice, as living example, in words and deeds, courageously digging the grave of international-state capitalism. Now the grave is deep and ready and what remain it just to push it down there and on the surface plant some ganja weeds.
The freedom of all is the freedom of the one and the well being of each, so we can go on living without coercion and oppression. Let's accompany humanity in our journey of intellectual creativity and constructive alterations. Start with subverting your immediate environment and the internet.

[spartakus]

Porno-military internet, anarcho-capitalism and patriotic cyber chauvinism

The tools – The individual – The state – The society

1. The perverted historical development of "humanity.
2. The perverted historical development of hierarchy.
3. The onto-epistemological spectacle/surveillance.
4. The anarcho-symbiosis and nihilo-metamorphosis.
5. Theoretico-practical meta-synthesis.
6. Creation of anarcho-alternative paths of progression.
7. Meta-dialectical and post-materialist emancipation.
8. Anarcho-communist revolutionary advance.

Free individuals like anarchism are the fundamental precondition for a free and equal society. Nihilo-revolutionary thinking and acting for the liquidation of anti-human forces and cyber annihilation of all ideologies and religions, thus ending quasi-theory and ignorant behavior.
The foundation of capitalism (1760-1840) is based on criminality and illegality, the new economy of punishment, the ghetto and prison for the masses.
Anarcho-capitalism is a dead fish stinking from its head, pity-bourgeoisie greed without state interference. The western civilization the creator of unnatural capitalism 200 years ago is half liberal and half fascist. All ideologies and religions were created for the sole purpose of controlling the mind and gold. Politics and economy like science, ethics and morality were designed for the purpose of manipulating and managing the feudo-industrial modern slave.
All systems are rotten and are very destructive to life and must be abolished to rescue the human race from its self-made extinction.
What we need is an anti-system, the meta-system, a systemless harmony and creation which means in pragmatic term, economical happiness to all people on earth. Yours in the anarchic social revolution 2005CIA.

Hedono-Nihilo-Anarchism

[anomaly]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2005, 10:04 PM
Porno-military internet, anarcho-capitalism and patriotic cyber chauvinism

The tools – The individual – The state – The society

1. The perverted historical development of "humanity.
2. The perverted historical development of hierarchy.
3. The onto-epistemological spectacle/surveillance.
4. The anarcho-symbiosis and nihilo-metamorphosis.
5. Theoretico-practical meta-synthesis.
6. Creation of anarcho-alternative paths of progression.
7. Meta-dialectical and post-materialist emancipation.
8. Anarcho-communist revolutionary advance.

Free individuals like anarchism are the fundamental precondition for a free and equal society. Nihilo-revolutionary thinking and acting for the liquidation of anti-human forces and cyber annihilation of all ideologies and religions, thus ending quasi-theory and ignorant behavior.
The foundation of capitalism (1760-1840) is based on criminality and illegality, the new economy of punishment, the ghetto and prison for the masses.
Anarcho-capitalism is a dead fish stinking from its head, pity-bourgeoisie greed without state interference. The western civilization the creator of unnatural capitalism 200 years ago is half liberal and half fascist. All ideologies and religions were created for the sole purpose of controlling the mind and gold. Politics and economy like science, ethics and morality were designed for the purpose of manipulating and managing the feudo-industrial modern slave.
All systems are rotten and are very destructive to life and must be abolished to rescue the human race from its self-made extinction.
What we need is an anti-system, the meta-system, a systemless harmony and creation which means in pragmatic term, economical happiness to all people on earth. Yours in the anarchic social revolution 2005CIA.

Hedono-Nihilo-Anarchism
As I have previously mentioned, my opinion is that the only hope of the radical left to gain power is to unite. That being said, are you, as an anarchist, opposed to the idea of economic revolution? It entails gradually progressing from capitalism. The stages, in order, are socialism, world socialism, and then anarcho-communism. I feel that a transition from capitalism to anarcho-communism is extremely improbable, if not impossible. So do you support that idea of economic evolution? Basically, can peaceful, yet to you ideologically opposed means justify the anarchic end?

[wet blanket]

Wow...this is hilarious..
That's kind of what I was thinking while reading that shit you wrote.


First, we have a conversation about worldwide anarchistic revolution. May I ask a question, if I may? How many of you fifteen year old whining *****es have accomplished ANYTHING since taking on your cool and ultra-hip anarchist persona? Anything? Have you toppled any government? Have you even done anything on the local level? Do you read any newspapers to just get the gist of what is going on? Do you even know what is going on in your local communities? I appreciate the one world community approach, but even that has it's problems, being a very western concept in the first place. You are lame...just stop.
What exactly is "western" about a one world community? It sounds like a very human concept to me. You're coming off as condescending prick, which is a lot more lame than someone whining about the status quo.


And secondly, we have the wonderful "You can only be a cool philosophical, self-proclaimed genius if you say believing in God is weak" bit.
I don't think anyone suggested that beliving in god was weak.


You people actually think that just because the way your human lives work out, or don't, in one way or another, that that actually proves or disproves the nature, or even existence, of a God.
I don't think anyone suggested this either.


God doesn't even have to make sense. We don't necessarily have to be capable of understanding God, if it does exist. I don't know, and neither does anyone else.
Well if this is the case, it seems that giving the subject any further thought is a futile endeavor. By your definition, god is nonsense, so why the fuck do you care?


I find it hilarious how all of you Nietzche hipsters feed off of the old "God is Dead" phrase, when Nietzche himself opened up the door to the fact that we can't know jack shit about any of this God thing when he said something along the lines of "Why can't this existence not be reality? Why can't God's reality not exist?". Something like that. It doesn't matter what the exact phrasing was. The point is that we have NOTHING to work with, and you are simply retarded if you think you can prove or disprove of God absolutely with "logic", whatever the hell that is.
When was Nietzche a hipster thing? Anyway, call me retarded all you want, but I'm going to take the logical approach on the whole god question and assume a negative.


Just because human concepts of God fail, doesn't mean god does not exist.
So?


Man...this isn't even worth the stress this is causing on my fingers while typing this. Take a bow, ladies....you are officially ignorant. Not because you are wrong in saying that God does not exist, but because you base it on absolutely NOTHING. If you believe there is not God, than fine...it's a decent point. However, have fun trying to make a decent argument to defend it....because there are none, other than "because I said so".
Well, instead of saying 'god does not exist', I'll say "God is nonsense".


Your post does a fantastic job at illustrating why the whole supernatural thing is just a bunch of esoteric bullshit that makes no sense, and should therefore be dismissed by rational people.

[spartakus]

Most anarchists are not anarchist at all – Capitalism causes madness
Anti-economical determinism

Since anarchists from the time of Bakunin and Kropotkin up to now depended solely on the Marxist analysis of capitalist economy that turned out to be very wrong and misleading. This erroneous analysis brought down the whole socialist camp and exposed the invalidity of communist theory.
The dependence of anarchism on failed Marxist predictions and prognostication caused plenty of harm to anarchic theory and turned anarchists into regimented scouts of social therapy. No wonder that modern anarchism looks like this today, North American anarchism is not anarchism at all, but a replica of middle class activism.
Anti-economical anarchism is the only true anarchism since it alone can totally eliminate all sorts of authority, hierarchy and what ever oppression anywhere.
Anarchism as represented by our friends in north Europe, is pathetic and makes you want to puke, to even think of organized anarchism is an ultra contradiction in term. As a result of so many crucial mistakes contemporary anarchists behave as a bunch of left wing liberal scouts, negotiating their party line and dogmatic ideology, just as our hated cousin the Bolshevik.
The magic ward of affinity group means let's hide in little gropes and pretend we are operating on a global scale, or let's dress in a differently colored costumes so we could play safely whilst confronting the 8 masters.
Primitivism is not anarchism nor salvation is going to come from the internet, the revolution awaits you someplace and somewhere else.
This is not a criticism of the anarchic movement as such, but a recommendation for the adaptation of a meta-Marxist post-capital anti-dialectical approach based on anti-analysis and the demolishment of capitalist social relations.
What we need is an anti-economical post-Marxist meta-synthesis for the creation of the last revolution. Economy is theft and property is robbery.
All necessities of life is distributed free during and after the revolution, the collapse of capitalism will enrich the whole world population and turn each and everyone into an overnight millionaires, we shell have by the year 2015 7000000000 millionaires, a very happy and celebrative humanity.
Arm your pleasure and equip your passion with revolutionary knowledge so you will be always ready to make and participate in the already long overdue social revolution.
If by waiting few more years we can further reduce the required violence to a minimum then be it. After destroying the state and hierarchy wages and commerce disappear to the disappointment of many anarcho-capitalists.
Labor will turn into a revolt, we want to manage our lives ourselves and no one else and anyone who dares otherwise shell facet a violent attack, since slavery and exploitation are unforgivable and epidemic.
The destruction of life is not a demagogic issue but a survival defense and a last stand of the slave who is on a head collision with his master.
Freedom must be taken by force; justice is equality when there is no exploiting fellow human any more. Values and business is an organize deceit orchestrated by blood stained economical gangsters embraced by weak and corrupt politicos.
Capital economy is the king and the ruling classes, immersed in wealth and power whilst devastating our lives, our planet and obliterating the future.
They impoverish the rest of humanity whilst keeping the middle class and allowing it consume, thus keeping it in check, business-bossy and ossified.
Humanity wants revolt and it wants it now and we are here to provide it with exactly that. Lets not allow 200 years of anarchism be thrown to the garbage of history because of some alienated tendencies. We exist and that is enough to create the biggest and final revolution in our miserable human history, cause a revolution that has never been witnessed before i.e, the creation of freedom. Humanity demands freedom and we demand material equality, a meta-critical mass rebellion engulfing the whole planet thus turning life into a more bearable and pleasant existence for all.

[slim]

Originally posted by fallen [email protected] 18 2005, 01:34 AM
May I ask a question, if I may? How many of you fifteen year old whining *****es have accomplished ANYTHING since taking on your cool and ultra-hip anarchist persona? Anything? Have you toppled any government? Have you even done anything on the local level? Do you read any newspapers to just get the gist of what is going on? Do you even know what is going on in your local communities?

And secondly, we have the wonderful "You can only be a cool philosophical, self-proclaimed genius if you say believing in God is weak" bit.
Houden!

I admit that i am fifteen but i started my political activism at thirteen. Your steriotyping and ageism are a result of western propaganda to keep the teenage population in line with the state. I have learnt a lot from other sources than BBC and CNN who are in essence trying to blind you with ignorance.

As for the rest of the stuff in the first paragraph:

I have accomplished a lot on a local level. My aim was not to convert people to anarchy or communism but to get people to distrust the current order and to think independently- a goal far greater than conversion.
I have not toppled a government, it is pretty obvious. If you read papers then you would know that there have been no anarchist revolutions in the first world. It doesnt take a genius to notice that.
I read many papers to "get the jist" but i try and avoid national newspapers like the mail. The independant is much better.
And, yes, i do know what goes on in my local community.

As for the second bit. I believe in God. I am philosophical but i am not a self proclaimed genius. I try and proove it from time to time. I am also generally "cool".

The fact that you use these buzz-words tells me how warped your western media orientated mind is. I hope you recover.

Do chara de geo.

[spartakus]

The end of idealism
The blind is leading the blind
Philosophy as clinical psychiatry
The death of philosophy
Dull and frigid philosophers
The impotence of capitalist thinkers
Pedantic idealism
Philosophers to the garbage
YOUR FALL IS NEAR DEAR
And the revolution is here to stay

Philosophers like scientists are dogmatic and very limited, they always serve the master. Philosophy is the religion of capitalism and science is metaphysical; the poverty of intellectual life. Afraid of freedom and concrete equality they bow to every idle and submit their critical thinking to the service of the empire that be.
Confused by their own tautology and anxious about their ontological crises, they plunge into the formal and abstract.
Well, this time there is no escape dear philosopher and scientist, because your hay days are few.

[spartakus]

Termination of the capitalist system

1. By dismantling the army and police we dissolve the state and authority and thus no one will be capable of attacking or exploiting another.
2. By the cancellation of inheritance law and terminating private ownership of natural resources and the means of production, i.e., by the elimination of capitalist social relations and business our world turns into paradise and not hell.
3. The burning of money as an exchange value.
4. The ending of all laws and bourgeois morality thus terminating the hegemony of the ruling classes.
5. Capitalism is a physical and mental disease, a profitable disease for the few, its urgent cure is the uprooting the infected reactionary cyst called system control for the dictatorship of the rich.
6. The only cure and solution is revolutionary transformation of society on the basis of gift economy and total material equality.
7. Anarchic anti-capitalist social leap into a world where human life has the highest consideration.


The Death Of Theory And Idealism

[spartakus]

Love Anarchism Hate Capitalism (http://spartacus.conforums3.com/index.cgi)
Comrade are you a Comrade?

[spartakus]

Post-Propaganda

* Why – when – how – who – etc.

A. The West has the right objective conditions yet lacks the rebellious nature of the people, at present at least.

B. The East and South have masses of rebellious people but lack the objective conditions.

C. Anarchism like Communism has been stuck theoretically and practically for the last 200 years.

D. Revolutionary transformation of consciousness and its advancement of human faculties.

* Answers – solutions – post-dialectics – etc.

1. Why do I start with West (English), the global situation of the internet is obvious. In English for the West first because intellectually it is more advanced whilst the rest of the world has emotional superiority.

2. The mixture of a highly advanced emotion from the South and East with the very developed intellect of the West is the answer to 90% of all contemporary human problems.

3. Self-criticism and self-complementation on correct occasions alone guarantees permanent development in all fields.

4. You cannot make a penny or a cent without further destroying some other human lives.

5. Rapid accumulation of knowledge and its revolutionary transformation into social practice and preparedness for the revolution.

As to the readers of all sides of the ideological specter, please, just wait a second and comprehend before you respond, adjust yourselves to a totally new universal situation. Those of you who desire to rescue and save humanity from utter devastation should only lend a hand and coordinate this colossal task.
Whereas to those readers who wish to maintain whatever authority and hierarchy from our ugly past should listen carefully to what I have to say because otherwise they are going to find themselves expelled from society on a trip. Likewise those who won't to maintain any sort of governance or statehood or capitalism under any banner, please listen, it might be the last time we say please give up peacefully so we would not have to use any force.

The majority of the people are in no position whatsoever to take back their right of self-determination; most people are deluded into voting believing that they are taking part in an equal and democratic process. Capitalism is democratic as in Greek it means power to the owners of Athens salves.
Democracy is for the master not for the servant, democracy of the rulers over the ruled. What good democracy if you have no money to buy food?
Finally here we are in the year 2005AD at exactly the same year 0005AD and 2005BC the situation of the individual has not changed an inch, what has changed are the gadgets of control. The social relations have not changed for the last 70000 years, why because the enslavement of another fellow human being remains and is live and kicking.

As always there is an urgent need for a major conscious leap into a future designed by humanity for the sake of living free and in dignity. No cults of leadership under whatever disguise, this time the revolution will not be as it was in the past, i.e., in the hands of Bolsheviks and authoritarian communists, but in the hand of the whole people who want to participate in the creation of their own destiny.

[spartakus]

The End of Power

Decentralized Distribution of Anarchic Knowledge and Everything else

1. The global anarcho-revolution.
2. The universal social revolution.
3. The exter-national and exter-class anarcho-social revolution.
4. A non-violent take over.
5. A minimal violent take over (some countries).

The anarchic revolution will occur in 190 countries simultaneously; millions of oppressed people will occupy and take over all the institutions and establishments of the state and capitalist corporations in their respective countries.
After taking over and fully controlling all the centers of economical, political and military power, they will be converted for the service of humanity and for the benefit of wo/man-kind.
By an immediate abolishment of the states and capitalism an anarchic society will be created on the ruins of the capitalist nation-state.
All the needs and wants of the people will be met and distributed everywhere and for everyone. Production and distribution will become by then automatic a totally robotized.
People will decide what they want produced and how much, the people will decide the services they desire and require for living life with dignity and without money and authority.
The whole society will be managed by computers and robots which are designed for us by us and for future generations.
This automatic meta-system will be over seen by the rotation of revolutionary volunteers from the friends of humanity in each country.
What we have:
Anarcho-revolutionaries for the drastic improvement of human condition everywhere.
Anarcho-revolutionaries for the transformation of society from capitalism to anarchism and the creation of a higher automatic and cyber-robotized techno-industrial meta-structure.
The anarchic cell for the acceleration and rapid expansion of the global anarchic revolution.
The anarchic cell for the distribution of revolutionary knowledge and for the globalization of the social revolution.
The anarchic non-local cell for the coordination of the human uprising on a global scale.
The mobilization of the oppressed for the revolutionary transformation of society and for the destruction of the state and capitalism.
The turning of the poor and oppressed into a revolutionary force that is capable of creating a concrete alternative to the present state of affair.
The more capitalists increase their profits the sooner the revolution will be and the faster capital grows the quicker will be its fall.
An increase in the number of the poor in any country is always proportional and corresponds to the level of revolutionary maturation. The ratio and the level of unemployment and poverty is an exact indication for when the revolution will happen, and the present situation is not that bad for revolutionaries of the anarchic type.
The exter-national anarchic movement for the creation of a new anarchic world and the restoration of nature.

[bezdomni]

You are ridiculous. I've posted everything you've said that is coherent enough to warrant a response at top, and at the bottom every other ridiculous and incoherent thing that makes George Bush look like a master linguist.



Anarcho-Communist Individualist Meta-Economy – Where the rich remain rich and the poor become rich
I have to point out that this is economically impossible. Especially under your "ultra anarcho cyber quantum non capital non hierarchy non moral anarchist communist individualist utopic socialist enterprisal privitivist non-system system" or whatever the hell you are advocating (for lack of a better word). Without capital, money would not exist therefore there would be no means of defining "rich" or "poor". You make no sense.



1) Anti-capitalism means anti-religion, anti-philosophy, anti-science, anti-ethics.
2) Anti-capitalism means anti-ideology, anti-nationalism, anti-state, anti-power.
Fist of all, you are wrong. There have been many religious anti-capitalists, and anti-capitalism is a philosophy. Second of all, why didn't you include points one and two in the same "point"? They aim to achieve the exact same thing (Defining what anti-capitalism "is").



Consciousness is anti-dialectical, like anarchism it is meta-dialectically materialist.
Metaphysical idealism causes ignorance and semi-consciousness.
Anarcho-meta-dialectical materialism.
Prove that consciousness is anti-dialectical, just because you say something doesn't make it so, and explain how metaphysics can be used with dialectics and materialistically (considering that metaphysics concerns itself with non-materialistic existence).


Religion, capitalism and the state are going to disappear from the face of the planet, it is their last decade, i.e., from the years 2005 to 2015 CIA
What measurements do you use to identify the years that it will occur in. Also, if you apply your nihilistic and anti-science philosophies to your beliefs then isn't time an inaccurate way of measuring...well..time? How can you prove that religion, capitalism and the state will dissapear within 11 years?


Communist Individualist Anarchism
How can communism be individualistic? How can your "time" of "no philosophy, religion or science" be named after three different philosophies with their entire BASIS on religion and science?


Porno-military internet, anarcho-capitalism and patriotic cyber chauvinism
...HAHAHAHAHHAHA :lol: What are you doing? Selecting words at random from the dictionary?



1. The perverted historical development of "humanity.
2. The perverted historical development of hierarchy.
3. The onto-epistemological spectacle/surveillance.
4. The anarcho-symbiosis and nihilo-metamorphosis.
5. Theoretico-practical meta-synthesis.
6. Creation of anarcho-alternative paths of progression.
7. Meta-dialectical and post-materialist emancipation.
8. Anarcho-communist revolutionary advance.

..What does this describe?


Hedono-Nihilo-Anarchism
Hedonism and nihilism both contradict (left wing) anarchism. Do you realize this?


Capitalism causes madness
In your case, I'd tend to agree.


...Marxist analysis of capitalist economy that turned out to be very wrong and misleading. This erroneous analysis brought down the whole socialist camp and exposed the invalidity of communist theory.
The dependence of anarchism on failed Marxist predictions and prognostication caused plenty of harm to anarchic theory and turned anarchists into regimented scouts of social therapy How was Marx wrong?


to even think of organized anarchism is an ultra contradiction in term
Without organization how do you expect to acheive anything? Why can't anarchism have organization? You don't understand economics and you don't understand philosophy. You need to analyze history and understand that as long as there is abundance in society, there will be organization and cooperation. You can't acheive the society that you aim to acheive without abundance therefore you can't achieve non-organization. Ever.


we shell have by the year 2015 7000000000 millionaires, a very happy and celebrative humanity.
By ANY economic system, this is impossible and especially the one that you try to speak of (namely, an anti-economic primitivist system). Money doesn't produce itself.


1. By dismantling the army and police we dissolve the state and authority and thus no one will be capable of attacking or exploiting another.
And you think you can dismantle the army and police how? You can end the state and authority how? By exercising your own authority against them? By creating your own army to fight theirs? You don't understand that violent revolution is extremely authoritarian and that you can't fight an army without creating your own. With this, we cannot simply go into an equal state of existence without authority, state, army or police overnight after destroying "their army, police, state and authority". Also, there is a necessity for authority in every aspect of life. To go to work is to give in to the authority of economics (your needs and the needs of others require work - your work and the work of others). Without authority there would be no means of acheiving social progress.


2. By the cancellation of inheritance law and terminating private ownership of natural resources and the means of production, i.e., by the elimination of capitalist social relations and business our world turns into paradise and not hell.
And how do you expect to acheive this without excercising authority over the private capitalists and landowners? What is the purpose of acheiving this when nobody gives in to the authority of social or individual needs to mine natural resources or produce to the community pool of commodities?


4. The ending of all laws and bourgeois morality thus terminating the hegemony of the ruling classes.
How do you end a type of morality and how can you prove that the entire bourgois class subsrcibes to the exact same moral standards?

I didn't even bother to address your last two "essays" because they didn't make any sense or coincide at all with what you previously had mentioned.



This also make no sense but made me laugh:

Anarcho-Theoretical Practice + the wo/man that killed nostalgia and meta-physics.

Anti-paranoiac local exposition = negative
Post-paranoid global non-exposition = positive

anarcho-cyber revolution

Non-State – Non-Capital – Non-God – Non-Hierarchy – Non-Law – Non-Morals

Ultra Anarcho-Cyber quantum leap from cybernetics & simulation

socio-anarchic revolution

Cyber Anarcho-Communist Individualist Revolution

Anti-Capitalist Post-Economy

Anarcho-Communist-Individualist anti-political anti-economy

Anti-Economy = Post-Economy = Meta-Economy

theoretico-practical

Post internet multi-action – the new psycho-emotional mental/intellectual rebel person.

a higher matrix of comprehension and pragmatic meta-synthesis.

An awakening stimulation to raise the dead brains.
Anti-psychiatric anti-therapy.
The meta-job.
We forget but never forgive.
Alone together.

Anti-economical anarchism is the only true anarchism

the revolution awaits you someplace and somewhere else.

meta-Marxist post-capital anti-dialectical approach based on anti-analysis and the demolishment of capitalist social relations.
What we need is an anti-economical post-Marxist meta-synthesis for the creation of the last revolution

[spartakus]

Clown Penis Anarchy the name says it all

[bombeverything]

Have you even done anything on the local level? Do you read any newspapers to just get the gist of what is going on? Do you even know what is going on in your local communities? I appreciate the one world community approach, but even that has it's problems, being a very western concept in the first place. You are lame...just stop.

You seem to be forgetting that anarchism is focused on grassroots, local level change. Here atleast, there is nothing 'cool' about being an anarchist.

About the god thing, we are just using our logic. I like to believe in things that I can understand. We base our beliefs on human reason. I am an athiest because human logic tells me that god cannot possibly exist outside of human beings. Hence god does not exist.


Congrats for not being old enough to put simple thoughts together.

Your pathetic. I bet that many 15 year olds would have a lot more knowledge than you do. Age is not as important as you seem to be suggesting. Also, I love your part about ripping the anarchists apart. Sorry, but where exactly is this happening? By arguing that we are stupid because we are athiest, and assuming that we are 15? Ha. Your angry and it's funny.

[spartakus]

Global resistance to capitalism

1) Resistance to foreign occupation.
2) Resistance to local occupation.
3) National resistance – religious resistance – class resistance.
4) It is not human nature that causes all this human misery but the system of capitalism and the people who mostly benefit from it.
5) The alternative is a contemporary anti-capitalist anarchic society, based on a gift meta-economy.
6) The rulers of this world, in whatever form or shape must be overthrown now.
7) We will immediately terminate all capitalist social relations through the abolition of money, rent and prices.
8) Working people will be liberated from their mean wages and from class discrimination.
9) Liberation from the poverty of every day consumer life, the boredom and misery of work, poverty, monotony and the horror of war.
10) The misery of permanent alienation and routine, which only an anarchic revolution can resolve.

Dismantling all governing institutions and in its place we will have a decentralized distribution of power.
Power to the people means without power at all, power to the people means the abolishment of work, wages and prisons.
Freedom means living without war-lords and states and their law – police – army security complex.
Equality means that life will be without rich or poor, without privilege for some and misery for most.
Revolution means the termination of centralized power and its dismantlement by distribution of material wealth in total equity.
Wealth belongs to all those who made in the first place which is us all and our ancestors.
Anarchy means the abolition of the state and capitalism immediately, thus creating abundance to all the people of the planet. Liberty must be for all, the liberty to live without privilege or oppression.
Peace will never exist on earth as long as classes exist and by abolishing classes we abolish capitalism and vice versa.
The state is the guardian of capitalists and capitalism is the guardian of the ruling rich. This has to be stopped by an anarcho-social revolution that will once and for all terminate this intolerable human condition forever.
Where there is capitalism there is terrorism, terrorism is just another form of aggressive capitalism.
War, terror and crime are some of the physical ingredients of capitalism.
Religion, politics and ideology are some of the mental ingredients of capitalism.
Anarchy has nothing to do with this; anarchy knows only freedom and happiness to all instead of what we are experiencing today.

[spartakus]

Capitalism as State Terrorism

Capitalism is the root of all inequalities and injustices of the whole world. Nothing good can come out of this kind of anti-human system which causes only poverty, war and mass mental sickness. Capitalism stimulates only the ugliest traits of human character thus encouraging only greed and deceit.
Capitalism perpetuates only hate and suffering, business is a criminal activity of cheating and manipulating our instinct of survival creating the hierarchy of mass misery.
Capitalism will be abolished by voluntary anarchism before it succeeds in completely enslaving us and fully ruining the planet.
Capitalism, like feudalism and slavery before it, causes plenty of suffering and brutalizes the populace bringing with it havoc to the community and complete destruction of nature.
Everywhere people are unhappy, everywhere the majority is poor and oppressed and the few continue to profit and prosper at the expense of the rest. This will not last for ever; the capitalist system will soon come to an end. The rich will have to learn to live with us on equal terms, without this, resistance and class revolution will expand.
Religious terrorism is part of capitalist terrorism; it is good for state security and for the diminishing of human and civil rights.
The vast majority of the world population wants to live in dignity and in equality, but there can never be a true and real peace unless there is a factual equality and concrete distribution of wealth. Capitalism forbids good living to the majority of the people, a sufficient reason for revolting. Capitalism is a never ending war against all the people of the planet, uniformed mercenaries in a rampage against life and nature in the name of the rich and the leader.
No more, the people are beginning to rise, they are beginning to insurrect and will one day soon participate in the universal anarcho-social revolution. We are fed up with this kind of un-living; we are sick and tired of this sort of imposed alienated social existence, which is miserable, dull and permanently vanquished.
The world and people have to completely and radically change or they will die and vanish. But life is stronger than slavery and capitalism and anarchy awaits us all - Capitalism is a primitive cruel idea with a modern technological cover up.

[spartakus]

Capitalism is theft. Capitalism is alienation and anti-sociality. Capitalism is authoritarian. Capitalism is inefficient - Capitalism is racist and sexist. Capitalism is violent. Capitalism is unsustainable. Capitalism creates suicide bombers, but what do we want instead? ANARCHIC META-ECONOMY and REVOLUTIONARY FREEDOM

[spartakus]

Revolutionary transformation of capitalism into anarchism

Human nature is anti-capitalist; human nature is anarchic and wants to be free.

By overthrowing capitalism we overthrow the state and religion, this will terminate ideology and nationalism.
1) Capitalism causes mental and physical disease and suffering.
2) Capitalism is the basis of violence and poverty.
3) Make capitalism history and the state too.
4) The poverty of capitalist way of living, the boredom of an organization.
5) The ugliness of capitalist society and environment, make the religious comeback his-story as well.
6) Make god and nationalism history, make money his-story, an end to global ignorance.
7) Capitalism maintains all the ills of the world and exasperates them and is directly responsible for all the mass suffering it reproduces in everyday life.
8) Capitalism is big and small prisons wherever you are, it destroys lives and nature everywhere and very fast and without mercy.
9) The business of domination, exploitation and mass oppression, is the business of calculating profit and expanding impoverishment.
10) Capitalism is an accumulated wealth by the few at the cost of eco-human destruction and colossal disaster.

If I was god and would have asked the devil to design the most horrific hell he could imagine, it would not be as horrific as capitalist reality today and as it was always.

Micro-capitalism = personal misery and despair.
Macro-capitalism = social war and violent poverty.

The people of the world are the total victims of capitalist domination over a prolonged period of time.

1. Slavery = master = religion + private property.
2. Serfdom = feudal = religion + private property.
3. Worker = boss = politics + private property.
4. Capitalism = ideology = socialism = state/private property where property is theft.
5. Capitalist social relations are based solely on canning and deceit.

A – Primitive capitalism = barter and exchange.
B – Mid-era capitalism = gold and trade.
C – Modern capitalism = labor and revolt.

* Socialism = reformed capitalism
* Capitalism = reformed socialism

By the destruction of capitalism we destroy misery and pain; we end for ever all human suffering and all the ills and violence, by simply turning all our creative efforts towards humanity and not to the accumulation of private profits.
Lest relief humanity and nature from this imperial parasite called capitalism, capitalism is theft and exploitation of humans and natural resources for the benefit of the few alone. Capitalism causes mass hate and brutality resulting in suicide bombers too.
On blood and sweat capitalism stretches its grabbing arms further and deeper till it devours all and everything; it has done that for centuries, first in the name of god/empire and now in the name of capital/democracy.
Enough is enough, you cannot fuck the people all of the time, there will come a time when these people will rebel and get rid of this historic-quasi-evolutionary phenomenon.
The biggest democracy is the most violent one; it creates wealth for the few at the expense of the rest and robbing nature bare thus destroying in unprecedented rate the geo-biological sphere.
Disobey all authority and demolish all hierarchy – destroy the pyramids of organization and power – eliminate the state and political economy.
We don’t want capitalism, we abhor it, and it is inhuman and should be stopped and transformed. We don’t want Marxism either, what we want is anarchy which connote lack of authority and lack of governance.
Anarchy means complete equality and permanent freedom and an end to private ownership of labor, land and the means of production.

[spartakus]

The ultimate intention is the emancipation of humanity through the expansion of consciousness and increase in knowledge.
Positive creativity and constructive criticism turns optimism into pragmatism, turns utopia into practical concrete realization, for the benefit of humanity, for generations to come and save nature from a guaranteed destruction.

Anarcho-capitalism is as bad as neo-conservative capitalism.
Rothschild’s = capitalist entrepreneur.
The state = capitalist state = modern robbery
The state = socialist state = underdeveloped Taylorism.
Capitalism + the state = political economy.
Money and the bosses is the enemy.
The system is capitalist and is protected by law, police and army.
Religion is for the ignorant and stupid, capitalism is for the greedy and inferior, socialism is for party patriotism, and anarchy is for the free.
Burn the money and distribute everything to the people, no rule and no law, just do not do to others what you don’t want being done to you. Down with all authority, trust yourself and obey no one but your consciousness.

Destroy all power

A post-civilization where every one helps the other, where the strong help the weak, where everything is planned and coordinated in such a way that every one gets an equal share. A post-civilization where food, clothe and shelter is giving free, no need for wages and money, just one source for all. There is plenty for everyone; there is plenty for the future too. Fear of scarcity will become the conquest of abundance. Capitalism is the obstacle to all this and the faster it goes the happier it will be for everyone.

[spartakus]

No fantasy but tomorrow reality and it will not appear magically but intentional by us the revolutionary people of the future.
So if you don’t wish to contribute others are more than ready to do this and mush more.


The People of Freedom and Anarchy

There is no reason on earth why humanity should have suffered and still suffer because of a brutal money-making machine called capitalism. There is no reason whatsoever for a system of subjective and objective devastation to continue to exist as though all is well for the tormented and dispossessed poor (the majority).
There is no reason why should the people continue and bear this permanent humiliation and daily anguish because few individuals who want to rule the world in the name of democracy for the rich and ugly. A capitalist system that caters only for the privileged well to do who are guilty of crimes against humanity, an elite that rob us of the water we drink and the land we walk and the food we eat. They sell us back our means of substance after producing it ourselves in the first place. They give us food vouchers in the name of wages and salaries which we receive for being exploited and cheated.
Capitalism is a system that allows all dictatorial and power megalomaniac characters, which only capitalism encourages accomplishing their fiscal holocaust, it allows every sick personality to become the leader and become the representative of the corrupt ruling class the rich (initial capital accumulated from slave trade).
I cannot find one reason why capitalism should not be toppled as soon as possible and in place of this colossal human nightmare a more humane anti-system (meta-system) will prevail.
The worker and the unemployed, the homeless and the prisoner, the intellectual and the artist are all participating in this revolution, anarchists steer. Therefore I call from this article for an anarchic revolution to overthrow capitalism and destroy its protector the state. A social revolution that will liberate us from the yoke of fiscal fascism and financial Nazism, the dictatorship of the ruling class in the name of free market capitalism also known as material oppression of the rest of the people.
An anarcho-social revolution that will put an end to alienation and dismantle this miserable consumer spectacle and relief the politicians and the rich from their fake power biased inclinations.
Their profit is proportional to our misery, the richer they become the more desperate we are, until the lid is blown and the masses go on the march of their own liberation. But this time, me and you are present in this, it is our own lives that is at stake here, therefore reject all systems, alter the objective conditions, dismantle your subjective determinism and break the chains of slavery which will be your only loss but a whole cosmos to gain.
No one is free until the last slave is free

[spartakus]

Another make believe genius: human nature is what you make it to be, you can make greedy or kind. But your little brain cannot really comprehend that so I will put it in another way: the way you cook is what you eat.

The answer is the solution:
Anti-state communism
Communism + anarchism + individualism = non-authoritative communism.
Socialism = unwanted by anarchists and rightly so.
Authoritative communism = organized party communism (Marxism-Leninism).
Non-authoritative communism = anarchism = Bakunin + Kropotkin + Makhno.
Chomsky + Bookchin + others = leftist quasi-anarchist, cashing on guaranteed success.
Real anarchism is real communism is real individualism; you sacrifice the one you sacrifice the rest as an injury to one is an injury to all of us.

This is what I call arm chair academic rubbish; we are the only ones on earth who are really capable of maintaining the purity of water and cleanliness of the street. So please don’t push the failures on to us. It either capitalism will implode on it is own from the inside or an anarcho-revolution to explode it from the outside.

[The Feral Underclass]

Please stop posting these things, they are not for the purpose of debate and you keep posting them. It is also difficult to understand. It constitutes spamming.

I'm closing this thread.