september 11 - yes another thread on the topic

[sypher]

Almost one year has gone by since the events of september-11. Most people have calmed down and have stoped hating the middle eastern people who live in U.S. The sales of american flags have droped back down to near normal. Malte has stoped banning people for saying that america had it coming and we have found out Bush's planed war against affganistan even before the attack (along with his knowlage of the attack before it happened)

Now I think it would be a "smashing good time" if we express our thoughts on the events and post september-11 events.

(Edited by sypher at 5:36 pm on Sep. 2, 2002)

[Pinko]

One thing is for sure, they aren't getting three minutes silence from me this year. The casualties of two whole world wars only get two minutes, why should a meer three and a bit thousand US citizens get three minutes?
I am willing to give them one min out of respect for the dead, but three is way out. (Monty Python quotes spring to mind)

[Conghaileach]

Malte banned people for saying that the US had it coming?

I remember when I first heard about the attacks, my initial reaction was "you reap what you sow." That's still my opinion.

[flames of the flag]

the american people got so caught up in patriotism and security that they never thought about why that happened to them. Cnn neglected to ever mention that terrorism comes from poverty and oppresion that american foreign policy is all about. they also neglect that such a thing could easily happen again. DOn't you think that any worker in a sweatshop has enough hate for free trade and capitalism to fly a plane into a building?

America definatly had it coming andf probably still do.

[PunkRawker677]

The american goverment had it coming, sure. But did the innocent civilians inside have it coming? Did the WORKERS inside deserve to die? NO! Have some damn respect for the people who died.

[hawarameen]

the american government did have it coming i have no hesitation in saying that.

however the people that died in the attack had nothing to do with anything they were just innocent cavillians.

i do however believe that far more attention is placed on these deaths purely because they were western (mostly american).

it seams that an american life is worth more than any other. it was a terrible thing that happened i would be the first to say it but more people died when saddam gassed the city of halabja when over 5000 men, women and children died a slow and painful death. it got its obligitory news slot for a day or too and then it was forgoten about, i mean those people were not as civilised as those who died in 11/8 yet the events of that day will be comemorated for decades to come.

and the gassing of innocent people by a dictator is just a drop in the ocean. there are countless regimes around the world killing innocent people but they are not american so i guess it doesnt matter!

[PunkRawker677]

Hawarameen,

I agree with you. The amount of media coverage the american deaths have accumulated in a bit sickening. Millions of people die a year from starvation, where is there three minutes of silence? Dictators kill countless people all the time, wheres their media coverage? Wheres their sympathy? Because the deaths were americans, they have gotten more attention then any other deaths, no matter how big or small, has ever recieved.

[carlmarx]

i think most people wolud agree the way the acts of sept.11 were carried out were horrific, however i feel that if 4 american pilots were to kamakazi sadam's HQ in the coming weeks they would be hailed as heros

[Sasafrás]

I wasn't a member on Sept 11, but I looked over old threads and it seems to me that Malte only banned people who straight said "They deserved it." I think he, like many people, was looking at it from the "sure-they-live-in-a-capitalist-nation-but-that-doesn't-mean-they-deserved-to-die-that-way" standpoint.

This (http://www.nion.us/nion.htm) sums up my feelings.

[sonicattack]

Did real-estate prices climb for the owners of apartments/offices on the western side of the buildings as a result of much improved sunlight/views?.

They should have.

[CubaVictoria1983]

I think that maybe the civilians who got killed during the Septermber 11th attacks shouldn't have suffered the consequences of such a corrupt government and society, but what about the Afghanistan people? Do they deserve to be murdered because the US government is too afraid to lose it's grip on our daily lives? There's always two sides to everything.

[PunkRawker677]

"Do they deserve to be murdered because the US government is too afraid to lose it's grip on our daily lives? There's always two sides to everything. "

I don't think anyone here supports the deaths of innocent civilians in Afganistan, but to say you dont supprt the murder of them yet you support the murder of americans is indeed hypocrital (i'm not saying that you said that, just making a point). A life in america and a life in afghanistan are equal, i don't care what goverment they are ruled by.

[canikickit]

I saw a program today about the some of the people who were on the flight that crashed in a field.
During it I started developing a lump in my throat. It was very sad.

I think it was a horrendous incident, but it goes way beyond the people who were killed on the day.

My heart goes out...

It goes for the people who were killed in Afghanistan and the people who were, no doubt, hated in America because of their appearance (as Middle Eastern).
And for all the poor people who had to endure the bullshit propaganda of America, and all the idiots who thought it was a good thing and all the idiots who thought it was a bad thing.

It goes out for Osama Bin Laden, and George Bush, and Mazdak, and everyone else on the planet.

[Pinko]

As many civilians have been killed in Afghanistan by US bombs as died in the WTC attacks.

AfghanDailyCount.xls (http://pubpages.unh.edu/~mwherold) is a datadase of those killed, compiled by one Marc Herold of the University of New Hampshire.
This is a news site (http://www.cursor.org) containing articles by Marc Herold.

[Mazdak]

I dont agree with attacking civilian targets, but the attack on the pentagon i would have supported if it were not for all the passengers on the plane.

[Edelweiss]

To clear things up: one member was banned because he cheered the attacks right after the attacks happened. At that time it wasn't clear if there were 3000 or 30000 victims. It was a very emotional decision by me. At the end the member stayed banned permanantly because he used multiple screen names to troll around and to back up his own positions.

[KickMcCann]

Hey Pinko, how many innocent civilians in afghanistan were murdered by the Taliban and Al queda? How many people will the Taliban and Al queda kill now that they barely exist? Though I morn for the loss of those killed by the bombs, it shouldn't have happened; they died in the process of bringing democratic change to an oppressed, impoverished nation. Those murdered by the Taliban and Al queda were killed to strengthen a dictatorship and to terrorize the populace of afghanistan. How come no one complains about the thousands murdered by the Taliban, and how come no one even cared to notice before 9/11?

[anti machine]

I definitely agree with Mazdak. THe attack on the pentagon can be understood, as it was a military installation (no innocent peoples).

[Conghaileach]

from KickMcCann:
Hey Pinko, how many innocent civilians in afghanistan were murdered by the Taliban and Al queda? How many people will the Taliban and Al queda kill now that they barely exist?

FYI, the US-intsalled Northern "Alliance" are doing a terrific job of taking over what the Taliban once did. According to RAWA, the NA is far worse than the Taliban ever were.

Go USA!

[Conghaileach]

Oh, and that so-called government the USA also set up can't even control the street outside its office in Kabul. The warlords rule Afghanistan.

Go USA!

[Pinko]

[KickMcCann]
"Hey Pinko, how many innocent civilians in afghanistan were murdered by the Taliban and Al queda? How many people will the Taliban and Al queda kill now that they barely exist? Though I morn for the loss of those killed by the bombs, it shouldn't have happened; they died in the process of bringing democratic change to an oppressed, impoverished nation..."

The main point is though, the US could have prevented most of these by more carefull planning of their little war. The total lack of care for the civilians in Afghanistan makes the persecutors of this war just as bad as the people they are trying to punish.