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1949
30th April 2005, 19:48
"Religion is the opiate of the masses."

Where does that one come from? I'm curious because I recently had a substitute teacher for a history class who, while he seemed to be politically progressive (told us about U.S. actions in Guatemala and Iran, even using the word "imperialism"), was a complete fucking hack when it came to communism. He attributed that quote to Lenin so he could claim that there is nothing in "communist theory" (referring to the works of Marx and Engels) that says you can't believe in God if you want to be a communist. :rolleyes:

"The proletariat can only emancipate itself by emancipating all of humanity."

And where does that come from? I thought it was in the Communist Manifesto, but when I reread that work recently I couldn&#39;t find it. If it is there, can somebody point out what page it is on? I think it is excellent ammo against the dogmato-revisionists and "third positionists" who say socialism is a "dictatorship of the majority over the minority", and that therefore "socialist" states should oppress homosexuals and Jews. <_<

Bolshevist
30th April 2005, 21:30
I think it is excellent ammo against the dogmato-revisionists and "third positionists" who say socialism is a "dictatorship of the majority over the minority", and that therefore "socialist" states should oppress homosexuals and Jews.

I agree with you; good point :)

edit:

Sorry, I forgot about your question :P It is from "Critique of Hegels philosophy of law" if I remeber correctly.

Severian
1st May 2005, 03:24
I suggest searching marxists.org to answer this type of question. They have the whole Collected works in searchable form; you can use either their search function or a Google Advance Search of the site:marxists.org.

For example: Opium of the people (http://www.google.com/search?as_q=&num=10&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=opium+of+the+people&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=marxists.org&safe=images) In context that quote reflects a more complex attitude towards religion than commonly supposed. An analysis, not simply a condemnation.

Possibly the Manifesto quote you&#39;re looking for is: "The proletariat, the lowest stratum of our present society, cannot stir, cannot raise itself up, without the whole superincumbent strata of official society being sprung into the air."

1949
2nd May 2005, 23:46
Thank you for your help, Twisted and Severian. I wouldn&#39;t be surprised if that quote you selected, Severian, is how it was originally said by Marx, with what I said being a Maoist rewording; Maoists have also attributed "The essence of revisionism is "what&#39;s desirable is what&#39;s possible, and what&#39;s possible is whatever is being done at the moment"", or something like that, to Lenin, but if you actually read how Lenin said that (in What Is To Be Done?) as I have, it looks a lot different (for one thing, Lenin uses the word "opportunism" instead of "revisionism").

Maynard
3rd May 2005, 09:46
"Religion is the opiate of the masses."

Is really, in context "Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people." and can be found here:

http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works...e-hpr/intro.htm (http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1843/critique-hpr/intro.htm) in Marx&#39;s contribution to the Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Right.

I don&#39;t know of the second quote, I&#39;m not sure it exists, at least in that form.